The Official Costume Thread - - - - - - - - - - Part 19

[the amazing fro]

If they had just kept the trunks the suit would be completely perfect. Forgetting all that loyalty to the creators minefield, the trunks are aesthetically essential in my view because they break up the big blob of blue and create a costume that is easier on the eye. And I don't know about you guys but blue makes the er... bulge all the more noticeable. Forget history, the costume just LOOKS better with trunks. The MOS costume is good but not as good as it could have been, which is a shame.

 

[tomk]

Where can I get those Reeve Superman action figures?

Evil Superman is a custom and is not at the moment available commercially. The basic figure is made by Hot Toys and they're being imported into the US by Sideshow Toys. There are plenty of online retailers handling them and I have mine ordered on eBay. Good luck.

 

[SuperMike335!!]

I like the Snyder suit a lot better than the Singer suit. The biggest reason is Supeman looks more powerful in this look. These reasons sell it to me:

1. open neck and good cape attatchment.

2. knee high calf form fitting boots looks good.

3. \S/ looks good, retro, but good, its not a chunk of plastic this time.

4. The texture I'm ok with too. Keeps it from looking like a cheap walmart halloween costume. There is some logic to him needing a material that will not rip to shreds when he flies.

5. The thing I like the most is they went with a more muscular look for Superman himself this time. The physique really makes a difference in him looking powerful.

Things I don't like:

1. Lack of trunks and belt. They went with a "sort of" belt look, but I don't really count it. Easily could have had a red area of the cotume over the trunks area, and would be no more silly or pointless than the silver piping. Really would look better with some red and yellow in the pelvis area to break up the sea of blue.

2. Texturing on the boots. I think that is not needed, and they would look better without the texturing on them too.

3. \S/ on the back of the cape. They could have made one that looks good, and its usefull for iconic shots, like a flag. We all recall the image of a dead Superman's cape blowing in the wind, caught on the debris of the aftermath of the Doomsday battle.

My overall thinking is that I like it enough, even if it is not perfect, and with some changes could be better. I am not going to let the things about it I don't like ruin the movie for me however.

 

[Wheels]

Evil Superman is a custom and is not at the moment available commercially. The basic figure is made by Hot Toys and they're being imported into the US by Sideshow Toys. There are plenty of online retailers handling them and I have mine ordered on eBay. Good luck.

Thanks for the info.

 

[Pinky021]

I've seen a lot of discussion on how people/fanboys wonder why people don't recognize Superman when he's wearing his glasses as Clark Kent, and some had came up with theories about this. But I remember one friend of mine told me long ago the real reason why people don't see Superman when CK is wearing the glasses. I've never seen this explanation in all the forums I've read nor in any website or book. I really don't know if it's in the comics, but I really find this explanation reasonable and believable concerning the glasses, and the reason is as follows: my friend told me that the glasses, the glass itself is from Krypton, it's an alien type glass that when Superman wears them, people don't see him, but if he removes them, they immediately see him, that's why, he never takes them off, not for one minute, at least in the Superman movies, because, then Louis or whoever knows Superman, will immediately recognize him. Is there some kind of base on this?

Also, on the suit, same friend told me that the reason why the Superman suit does not rips when he's fighting/getting blast with bullets is, besides being Kryptonian, is because the Superman aura is about 1 inch outside his body, so the suit is still 'protected' by his aura, that's why the bullets don't do anything to the suit. On the other hand, the cape rips more easily because is outside his aura. Again, I'm not sure if there is any proof for this, or if it's mentioned in the comics.

What are your thoughts on these two subjects?

 

[DrCosmic]

That kind of writing, where I introduce a piece of technology that works essentially like magic, makes the story seem sillier. It further removes simple logic from Superman and gives a technobabble explanation that most people would miss.

A much simpler explanation is that people don't look at Clark Kent closely, and the suit is made of material that is so flexible that it bends with everything, and thus doesn't break. You save yourself five minutes of explaining, and two hours of friends explaining star trek like concepts to each other while the rest of the audience scratches their heads and calls it a cartoon, where you aren't supposed to ask questions about realism.

 

[Krumm]

A much simpler explanation is that people don't look at Clark Kent closely, and the suit is made of material that is so flexible that it bends with everything, and thus doesn't break. You save yourself five minutes of explaining, and two hours of friends explaining star trek like concepts to each other while the rest of the audience scratches their heads and calls it a cartoon, where you aren't supposed to ask questions about realism.

I don't find that to be much simpler at all.

This thread will be moved to the costume thread in 3...2...1...

 

[Pinky021]

It doesn't have to be magic, just Kryptonian high-tech, more advanced than Earth's. And Superman being a solar powered alien, his power can surpass his own skin, even by millimeters. IMO.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

The glasses should be there to dilute his unique eye colour, as well as hide parts of his face. The suit is from Krypton and is as indestructible as Superman. Simples.

 

[Compi716]

Kind of beating a dead horse here, but what the hell...

http://www.tencentticker.com/projec...superman-comic-strip-for-back-issue-magazine/

 

[hopefuldreamer]

I've seen a lot of discussion on how people/fanboys wonder why people don't recognize Superman when he's wearing his glasses as Clark Kent, and some had came up with theories about this. But I remember one friend of mine told me long ago the real reason why people don't see Superman when CK is wearing the glasses. I've never seen this explanation in all the forums I've read nor in any website or book. I really don't know if it's in the comics, but I really find this explanation reasonable and believable concerning the glasses, and the reason is as follows: my friend told me that the glasses, the glass itself is from Krypton, it's an alien type glass that when Superman wears them, people don't see him, but if he removes them, they immediately see him, that's why, he never takes them off, not for one minute, at least in the Superman movies, because, then Louis or whoever knows Superman, will immediately recognize him. Is there some kind of base on this?

Also, on the suit, same friend told me that the reason why the Superman suit does not rips when he's fighting/getting blast with bullets is, besides being Kryptonian, is because the Superman aura is about 1 inch outside his body, so the suit is still 'protected' by his aura, that's why the bullets don't do anything to the suit. On the other hand, the cape rips more easily because is outside his aura. Again, I'm not sure if there is any proof for this, or if it's mentioned in the comics.

What are your thoughts on these two subjects?

Personally I don't want some fancy explanation for why people don't recognise him. I don't want some unargueable realistic reason...

I like the innocence of that element of the story, the suspension of disbelief... it's almost an element of faith on the part of the fans... just trusting that it works, for whatever reasons work for you, without having to justify that trust with proof.

It's part of the charm.

 

[DKDetective]

Personally I don't want some fancy explanation for why people don't recognise him. I don't want some unargueable realistic reason...

I like the innocence of that element of the story, the suspension of disbelief... it's almost an element of faith on the part of the fans... just trusting that it works, for whatever reasons work for you, without having to justify that trust with proof.

It's part of the charm.

Exactly! It's about the quality of the performance. If you have a good enough actor - all it takes is different mannerisms, posture, hair, glasses and clothing.

One of the things, I'm most excited about seeing is what they will do to Cavill's look when he finally puts on the glasses and becomes Daily Planet Clark. Cavill has one of those faces that can change so much with a different haircut/style... probably because he is so archetypically handsome.. that he is almost generic (in a good way).

I mean just compare his appearance in The Immortals to his look as Superman.

 

[Krumm]

Kind of beating a dead horse here, but what the hell...

Spoiler

http://www.tencentticker.com/projec...superman-comic-strip-for-back-issue-magazine/

So accept the new suits for what they are and stop complaining? That's what I got out of it.

 

[moviedoors]

It's the comic book equivalent of burning the flag.

You've officially crossed over to laugh-out-loud self parody. You're the Michelle Bachman of comic books.

 

[Kurosawa]

Kind of beating a dead horse here, but what the hell...

http://www.tencentticker.com/projec...superman-comic-strip-for-back-issue-magazine/

You've officially crossed over to laugh-out-loud loud self parody. You're the Michelle Bachman of comic books.

********. The difference between me and her is I actually know what I'm talking about and I don't talk about stuff that I have no knowledge of. She gets basic US history wrong when she is supposed to be a US Congress member, but I have followed and studied Superman comics for over 30 years. You don't see me debating about stuff like politics or economics or pop culture stuff like Transformers because to be honest, I don't know jack **** about them. But superhero comics I do know.

Superman's real costume is an icon, and changing any aspect of it undermines the entire superhero genre. Lesser characters can have a long list of costume changes, Superman's costume should not be changed one iota.

 

[camp Blood]

it's all temporary though

 

[Mad Love]

Well, everything is temporary. I hope the lack of briefs will be as temporary or less temporary than the briefs was. Maybe if the human race gets wiped and life restarts, Superman will be reincarnated with the briefs.

 

[Hotwire]

Yes. Changing Superman's costume is treasonous to the superhero genre. It is an admission that it is somehow flawed and silly. Superman is not A superhero, he is THE superhero and by changing his costume, they are admitting that the criticisms and disrespect that comics, superhero comics in particular, have received over the years is valid. Changing any aspect of Superman's costume is a betrayal of his creators and of him.

Then I guess no writer or artist should ever be allowed to change anything about a character whatsoever. If by changing something about a character, in this case, his outfit, they are blatantly disrespecting the creator of that character, than change should be forbidden in the comic industry. Every character should go right back to how they were drawn the first time by the person who created them. This, of course, would result in a mass exodus of artists from the comic industry. I mean, I don't know any artist who would want to work in an industry that forbids them from expressing their own style through the characters they draw. Also, these comic films will stop being made, that's for sure. We can't have a director toying with the sacred designs.

Dude, I understand you love Superman and wish he would never, EVER, change. But, you are being unreasonable, and selfish. You would rather deny an artist their freedom of expression, than see your beloved Superman changed in any way. You would rather take away one of the biggest staples in comics, costume changes, and replace it with YOUR ideal vision for a character.

Also, by getting this pissy over a costume change, and ranting about it like this on a internet forum, you are only accomplishing one thing. Looking like a selfish little kid. My suggestion, if you don't want to see any changes made to the characters you love, don't read any books but the originals, and don't watch the movies, either. Your blood pressure will thank you.

 

[Kurosawa]

Then I guess no writer or artist should ever be allowed to change anything about a character whatsoever. If by changing something about a character, in this case, his outfit, they are blatantly disrespecting the creator of that character, than change should be forbidden in the comic industry. Every character should go right back to how they were drawn the first time by the person who created them. This, of course, would result in a mass exodus of artists from the comic industry. I mean, I don't know any artist who would want to work in an industry that forbids them from expressing their own style through the characters they draw. Also, these comic films will stop being made, that's for sure. We can't have a director toying with the sacred designs.

Dude, I understand you love Superman and wish he would never, EVER, change. But, you are being unreasonable, and selfish. You would rather deny an artist their freedom of expression, than see your beloved Superman changed in any way. You would rather take away one of the biggest staples in comics, costume changes, and replace it with YOUR ideal vision for a character.

Also, by getting this pissy over a costume change, and ranting about it like this on a internet forum, you are only accomplishing one thing. Looking like a selfish little kid. My suggestion, if you don't want to see any changes made to the characters you love, don't read any books but the originals, and don't watch the movies, either. Your blood pressure will thank you.

Changes does not equal growth. Characters should grow and change organically, not have stuff forced in and retconned in when it doesn't fit. Characters should always be true to who they were created to be.

And I'm not THAT pissed off over any of this. I have enough serious stuff going on in my RL that coming on here and busting on ZS for changing Superman's outfit is fun for me. I've put up with crap in Superman comics from John Byrne's run to the mullet, to the electric Superman, so I'm used to it.

 

[MydnightPhoenix]

To paraphrase Martin Luther King.....I have a dream, I have a dream that one day fanboys will accept the fact that people are allowed to have opinions that differ from theirs....and that having those differing opinions it makes them no better or worse than anyone else....for they simply have a different opinion.

People are allowed to like the suit with trunks.
People are allowed to not like the suit with trunks.
People are allowed to like the cape with the S on the back.
People are allowed to not like the cape without the S on the back.
People are allowed to like the minimalistic belt design.
People are allowed to not like the minimalistic belt design.

People are allowed to like things you do not.
People are allowed to dislike things you do not.



I have a dream..........

Are we also allowed to not like Amy Adams as Lois Lane?

Anyway, what's done is done, the trunks are gone and I personally am happy to wave goodbye to them. I wonder if people got so pissy over the changes to the X-men's costumes when those movies were first being made. Wasn't psyclops supposed to be in yellow trunks and Wolverine in blue one's? I'm sorry to say, that they looked satisfactory a couple of decades ago, but currently in live action most if not all superheroes who wear trunks over spandex look ridiculous; that is my opinion. Most if not every, superhero costume has been changed throughout the years, it is now Superman's turn to give it a try, if it works then it works, if it doesn't then perhaps they will go back tot he old design or try something else.

 

[Kurosawa]

The X-Men's costumes are not Superman's costume, but yes, it did piss ME off when they changed them.

Every other character changes their costumes frequently. One of many things that kept Superman unique was the fact that he kept his the same. And it was kept the same for a very good reason: it's perfect.

 

[DKDetective]

The X-Men's costumes are not Superman's costume, but yes, it did piss ME off when they changed them.

Every other character changes their costumes frequently. One of many things that kept Superman unique was the fact that he kept his the same. And it was kept the same for a very good reason: it's perfect.

Hypothetically speaking, what would your opinion of the MOS suit be if they removed the "ribbing" and added back on the trunks? Because other than those changes, I think the MOS suit is an excellent modern take on the suit. Any other variations on the design are founded in the original comics. (eg. no cape S, full length cape a la the cover of Action Comics 1, muted blue, cuffs/bracers, Earth 2 etc.)

I ask because you say you are fine with legitimate growth of the character. I'm curious whether the MOS suit with those two changes (trunks/no ribbing) would meet with your satisfaction?

 

[TheDragonator]

The problem is, Kuro, is that you view anyone else who's opinion doesn't match yours as 'Hating/not understanding' Superman, rather than what it actually is, which simply is having a different taste.

 

[MydnightPhoenix]

So because Superman is Superman everything about him can never change? With that logic he should still be jumping tall buildings instead of flying. And I can't believe anyone wanted those gawd awful comic book costumes of Xmen to be put in the movies! I am just coming to the conclusion that you don't want anything from any comic book to change or be updated. These comics aren't the Bible for crying out loud, and even that has been interpreted differently throughout the centuries.

 

[Ryo Jin]

awesome!!! how much?

That Hot Toys Superman goes for about $200, and just released. You think that's too much, wait until about a year from now, it'll probably be $500 or more.