The Official Costume Thread - - - - - - - - - - Part 19

[hopefuldreamer]

why am i the only person who dreads a nolan infused superman movie

Personally I'm not worried about the impact of Nolan's style because everything i've seen or read so far suggests he is having very little to do with it.

It's almost like he doesn't want anything to do with it either.

He helped Goyer get the idea across, picked the director and since then he's just been like 'Good luck guys' and left it in other people's hands.

Now, I can't say for sure that he won't have anything to do with how this film turns out post production wise, especially if he's finished TDKR and starts to get curious and get more involved...

But for now, it certainly doesn't seem like this film is going to have a recognisable Nolan style.

It's Snyder's style you've got to be worried about. But he's said he is taking a completely different angle on this movie, and that weirdly, if there was ever a movie he was going to shoot in a realistic, real world way, it would be Superman.

 

[Kurosawa]

I'm not 100% ready to trust Nolan with Superman, but I'm also not 100% ready to trust Snyder with anything, so...yeah. We will see.

I think that regardless of the silly costume, the movie will either be great or crap...no in between.

 

[camp Blood]

after what he did with watchmen i agree but it could be cool

 

[hopefuldreamer]

I'm not 100% ready to trust Nolan with Superman, but I'm also not 100% ready to trust Snyder with anything, so...yeah. We will see.

I think that regardless of the silly costume, the movie will either be great or crap...no in between.

Well yeah, I think it's certain that as a Superman fan, I am going to walk out of the cinema either feeling really happy or feeling really devestated.

I just can't see myself walking out of a Superman film going 'Yeah, it was okay.'

If it wasn't good enough for me to be gushing that it's amazing, it'll be because it sucked. Period.

 

[moviedoors]

I think Superman Returns was simply okay. It's not good, it doesn't suck, it's just "meh." Personally, I'm quite sick of the "all or nothing" attitude geek culture has adopted lately.

 

[camp Blood]

SR was ok, if it was on tv right now i would probably watch a little

 

[hopefuldreamer]

I think Superman Returns was simply okay. It's not good, it doesn't suck, it's just "meh." Personally, I'm quite sick of the "all or nothing" attitude geek culture has adopted lately.

Hey, I walked out of the cinema after seeing Superman Returns gushing it was amazing back then...

So believe me when I say that if i'm not doing the same after MOS, it's because it's really really bad.

 

[Project862006]

after what he did with watchmen i agree but it could be cool

after what he did with watchmen he has my full support

fav comic book movie

 

[Kurosawa]

SR was ok, if it was on tv right now i would probably watch a little

I think all the Superman films have been just okay except for parts of STM that were great, but Snyder seems like an "all or nothing" kinda director to me.

 

[moviedoors]

Hey, I walked out of the cinema after seeing Superman Returns gushing it was amazing back then...

So believe me when I say that if i'm not doing the same after MOS, it's because it's really really bad.

Fair enough.

 

[Nevaratoiel]

Personally, I'm quite sick of the "all or nothing" attitude geek culture has adopted lately.

I agree on that.

It's just that when a movie doesn't do as well as expected it's a failure and I can't stand that. I mean, $200 million, come on! I'd die if a movie I directed would get that much. Okay, I'm not a director or writer or do anything remotely close to the film industry, apart from watching them.

$200.000.000 - a failure...Gah! I spit on that...

 

[elgaz]

SR made a lot of money, it certainly wasn't a total financial failure.

But let's be honest, they bastardised the character and story to an extent that it became very difficult to come up with a fresh sequel concept. They would have had to keep the kid, they couldn't really transform Routh's version of Superman either without losing consistency, and unless they went with a new actress for Lois Lane we would have had Bosworth (who was plainly wrong for the role) yet again. "Superman Returns II" would have been another continuation of the Donner universe. Much better to restart the whole thing, which is what they've done.

 

[Krumm]

Hey, I walked out of the cinema after seeing Superman Returns gushing it was amazing back then...

Same here. SR was the greatest movie going experience of my life. Now, that doesn't mean I thought the movie was great, I had just never seen Superman on the big screen before.

 

[not_a_victim]

No?

Iron Man 2 – Reviewers: 74% and it's getting a sequel
Capt. America – 79% (RT reviewers) 76% (RT audiences)
Spider-Man – Although it got 89% from RT reviewers, it got only 65% from RT audiences (1 less than SR right?)

And even when liked by fans, TIH got 66% by RT reviewers and 75% only from audiences.

It's as you say: money is what makes it have a sequel.


Well, it was their problem they needed to make that much to strat with. And therefore I agree; it was their expectation and a failure according to their perspective.

Hated all three of those movies.
IM2 was choppy almost unwatchable.
Capt. America wasn't even a superhero movie.
Spiderman failed when Maguire was cast.

And as far as perspective goes, you are right. From my perspective, the three listed movies and SR were terrible.

 

[hopefuldreamer]

Same here. SR was the greatest movie going experience of my life. Now, that doesn't mean I thought the movie was great, I had just never seen Superman on the big screen before.

I honestly don't think I was even thinking about the storyline or the plot after I left. I just had the plane scene, the bullet in the eye scene, and everything from saving people from the earthquake in Metropolis to lifting the big crystal land and then passing out, swimming round and round in my head with a chorus of 'That was so awesome!'

It makes very little logical sense to me now Makes me wonder what it would have taken for me to be UNhappy with the film

It was just all so 'cool' looking back then, when we'd never seen Superman on screen like that before.

 

[not_a_victim]

Hang on guys, lets just make sure we get the numbers right. There's been too much bull spoken about the SR numbers. I got so sick of people saying it cost over 250 million to make.
The other guy said they wanted it to make $500m and it only made $200m. Huh?
It made a little over 200 in the US. It made 391 worldwide if I'm not mistaken. The studio would've liked at least a 500m box office worldwide, not just in the US! How many films make 500m domestically?
So to be accurate, it didn't make 'half' of the expected 500m. It made 391, which was more than Batman Begins, a film which had no trouble getting a sequel underway.
It wasn't only about the money. It was the lack of love/interest from the movie-going public for the film, and the way it left the character at the film's end.
I seem to remember a Warner Bros guy saying that it didn't 'position' the character as well as they'd hoped. This refers both to how successfully the character was reintroduced to the audience and also where the character was at the end of the film. They screwed up with the screenplay, the character had been written into a corner with nowhere to go. This issue should've been addressed in pre-production. And there's no doubt that the public just weren't that interested in the film.
I've always been a defender of this film. But I was under no illusions about its shortcomings when I left the cinema. And if you look at the tone of the film, the pacing of it, there was no way it was gonna be a huge hit. Also, I just don't think it was a good time for a Superman movie to be released. Hopefully the public will be feeling it a bit more come 2013. (It also didn't help that they released it within a week of POTC2, suicide).
Anyway, it's in the past now. It'll remain as a bookend to the Chris Reeve/ Richard Donner era.

In reference to the bolded part of your message...

It's not always about the money a movie has made, its also about the money a sequel could make...

Superman is a much more iconic figure in the rest of the world than Batman is, and BB really took off with DVD sales



The argument is still about money. There was no sequel because the studio KNEW the next movie would be less profitable.
One of my pet peeves is so many movies are simply set-ups for sequels and trilogies, instead of stand-alone films. While SR was a bad movie, it was PAINFULLY obvious it was just being used to bridge the gap between the previous franchise and the next one.


Also, SR benefited from being released AFTER BB ushered in a new era of superhero movies. Also, according to thenumbers.com, BB still outperformed SR in domestic box office, DESPITE being released in approximately 10% fewer theaters...


http://www.the-numbers.com/movies/2006/SPRMN.php


http://www.the-numbers.com/movies/2005/BAT5.php

Also, SR returns was released domestically AND worldwide at the same time, BB was released worldwide 19 days AFTER it was released domestically.

 

[El Payaso]

Hated all three of those movies.
IM2 was choppy almost unwatchable.
Capt. America wasn't even a superhero movie.
Spiderman failed when Maguire was cast.

Actually I agree with everything there.

I haven't seen C. America yet though, but I don't doubt it's the average Marvel movie and I have yet to see one great Joe Johnston movie. I'll eat my words if I'm wrong.

 

[RetrogradeOrbit]

^
I thought IM2 lacked a lot, but it had a lot to live up to considering how good the first was.
Captain America was a great comic book movie. Faithful to the character and his origins.
I enjoyed the first two Spiderman movies, but the third took a lot of stamina to watch. I still don't own it on DVD/Blu-Ray

 

[souperman]

Actually I agree with everything there.

I haven't seen C. America yet though, but I don't doubt it's the average Marvel movie and I have yet to see one great Joe Johnston movie. I'll eat my words if I'm wrong.

...you didn't like Maguire? I thought he was great as Parker...and
I don't see how it failed, made loads of dough, fun, great looking, especially for the time. Sure the third one reached a bit and was not as clean but all in all a great series. IMO

 

[El Payaso]

...you didn't like Maguire? I thought he was great as Parker...

I thought he was good. But by third I was reallyt sick of his odd faces every time he makes a big effort to run or lift something. And what to say about his cryings!

I also could never stand how whiny and naive he was. I mean, being in love with the exact same girl since you're 6???????? Asking that he's an angel?????????

In comics, Peter, nerd and all, is still able to have a dozen of girls.

I don't see how it failed, made loads of dough, fun, great looking, especially for the time. Sure the third one reached a bit and was not as clean but all in all a great series. IMO

Ah, of course it didn't 'fail' in financial terms.

In fact SM3 made more than SM2. But it failed at being any good, which for me as an spectator is all that counts.

SM2, has to be said, was one of the best of the genre. But I only actually loved 1 out of 3 movies.

 

[moviedoors]

Hated all three of those movies.
IM2 was choppy almost unwatchable.
Capt. America wasn't even a superhero movie.
Spiderman failed when Maguire was cast.

Perfect example of that "all or nothing" attitude. Hated those movies? Come on.

 

[hopefuldreamer]

I thought he was good. But by third I was reallyt sick of his odd faces every time he makes a big effort to run or lift something. And what to say about his cryings!

I also could never stand how whiny and naive he was. I mean, being in love with the exact same girl since you're 6???????? Asking that he's an angel?????????

In comics, Peter, nerd and all, is still able to have a dozen of girls.
.

The faces I'll give you, and there is plenty I find annoying about Maguire's portrayal.

But it's hardly his fault that you don't like a line or idea in the script.

 

[souperman]

anyone see Cavill on Leno last night?

 

[Rust]

Here's most of it, I guess - http://www.nbc.com/the-tonight-show/video/henry-cavill-part-1-11-7-11/1366980#.TrlPk3sWqsE.facebook

Pretty funny. Arms ARE huge.

 

[Kurosawa]

The first of the many snarky interviews where the classic costume is riduculed. Not Cavill's fault-he has to play along-but seeing idiots like Leno make fun of the classic costume and in effect, Siegel and Shuster (not that an idiot like Leno even knows who they were) is typically disgusting.

I hate people.