The Official Costume Thread - Part 4

[Stephen K. Hone]

Maybe his cape and boots work like the flashes costume

You lost me there? You mean they are squeezed very small until he needs them?

 

[Alien Anal]

I don't think that the explanation for him changing into his costume needs to be too elaborate. He is super fast. Have him wear everything but the boots and cape which are in a box on the roof of the D.P.

 

[Stephen K. Hone]

I feel like the trunks and boots should be a darker red than that on the \S/ and cape.

I think Snyder might try to find a material for the trunks that when wrinkled looks black and red as it is drawn in most of the comics.

 

[camp Blood]

I thought it had something to do with shrinking them. That why the flashes metal wings also fit in the ring

 

[Lencho01]

that red leather jacket is my worst fear come true

It's just lazy and looks like it would be hard to move it

I'm pretty sure it is hard to move. Ever since he got it, he's pretty much done nothing but stand around in it.

im gonna jump into this obsolete phone booth and change into a blue shirt and red jacket

 

[Alien Anal]

I think Snyder might try to find a material for the trunks that when wrinkled looks black and red as it is drawn in most of the comics.

This has been one of the more difficult things to come up with. A good material for the trunks. I am all for them i just think they need to be done right. I like the way Bermejo does them, i find it makes them look a little less underpantsy.

As much as i prefer the trunks to be more triangular i just dont think they work well in live action like that.

 

[Stephen K. Hone]

This has been one of the more difficult things to come up with. A good material for the trunks. I am all for them i just think they need to be done right. I like the way Bermejo does them, i find it makes them look a little less underpantsy.

As much as i prefer the trunks to be more triangular i just dont think they work well in live action like that.

I agree that to capture that particular look (red and black) from the comics might be next to impossible. I hope though that Snyder tries, but it might look totally crap rendered for real like that, so who knows? They have materials that shift tones or colour when wrinkled (In the UK back in the early 70's they called it 'two-tonetonic'??) maybe they'll try that stuff. It has an Iridescent quality and was popularized by mods and Skinheads.

 

[Saint]

You lost me there? You mean they are squeezed very small until he needs them?

Haha, sounds like an All-Star thing; Superman uses his Super-intellect to craft a material that he can super-compress with his speed and strength, such that his cape and boots fold into small slips that he keeps in his pockets.

 

[Alien Anal]

I agree that to capture that particular look (red and black) from the comics might be next to impossible. I hope though that Snyder tries, but it might look totally crap rendered for real like that, so who knows? They have materials that shift tones or colour when wrinkled (In the UK back in the early 70's they called it 'two-tonetonic'??) maybe they'll try that stuff. It has an Iridescent quality and was popularized by mods and Skinheads.

What particular Superman are you referring to? Are you talking about the shading on the trunks in the comics?

 

[Stephen K. Hone]

What particular Superman are you referring to? Are you talking about the shading on the trunks in the comics?

Yep you got it. I think that what I'm trying to say is hopefully they'll try to make the trunks wrinkle a little, Rather than CR's trunks that looked a little rigid.

 

[Kurosawa]

I'll be shocked if Snyder doesn't go with the suit being made from blankets from baby Kal El's ship. Possibly he might go with Earthly materials, and the aura explanation if he wants the cape to shred in fights for dramatic effect. The problem with the 'Aura' version is that the cape would be destroyed pretty routinely as he flew into fire or re-entered Earth's atmosphere.

Every time they tore up the cape Post-Crisis I saw it as representing them tearing up what Superman once stood for and was supposed to stand for. It pissed me off every time I saw it. I hope the costume is basically indestructible.

i dunno i dont see why he cant have the suit on...shirt and cape...underneath his clothes and keep his boots in a briefcase or something...the guy has superhuman speed...he can get away with it...but I do think we need and iconic shirt rip

In the classic version, he could compress the entire costume into a tiny square and put it in his pocket, or as in one story, he put it under his tongue because he was wearing a karate gi as Clark:

Note that he takes Clark's clothes out of the cape and they are similarly compressed. He stores his Clark Kent clothes and the glasses in a pouch in the cape.

 

[Dr.]

What particular Superman are you referring to? Are you talking about the shading on the trunks in the comics?

These examples, I think, underscore the fact that certain elements from comics require translation for live action rather than simple imitation. It’s not as easy as saying that because primary red/blue/yellow works in one medium, it will necessarily work in another.

In these frame examples (as pointed out), there’s not just an assemblage of red/blue/yellow. There’s a fair bit of black too. The “black,” of course, isn’t a real color. In this case, it represents figure boundaries, muscle contours, fabric wrinkles/folds and shadows (especially within the cape and (for “modesty” perhaps) across the front of the trunks). But the visual effect of this “black” is that it subdues the overall brightness of the basic color scheme.

Now, if you were to just sample the r/b/y colors, make a live action suit based on them and then light it in typical movie fashion… yes, you’d get the “correct” colors. But the attenuating “blacks” that the Supes artists skillfully employ would be absent. Necessarily, the colors – themselves – have to be subdued/muted for live action.

In both media, the result is the same: the pure primary colors get toned down. But because they are different media, the result must be achieved in different ways.

 

[Stephen K. Hone]

These examples, I think, underscore the fact that certain elements from comics require translation for live action rather than simple imitation. It’s not as easy as saying that because primary red/blue/yellow works in one medium, it will necessarily work in another.

In these frame examples (as pointed out), there’s not just an assemblage of red/blue/yellow. There’s a fair bit of black too. The “black,” of course, isn’t a real color. In this case, it represents figure boundaries, muscle contours, fabric wrinkles/folds and shadows (especially within the cape and (for “modesty” perhaps) across the front of the trunks). But the visual effect of this “black” is that it subdues the overall brightness of the basic color scheme.

Now, if you were to just sample the r/b/y colors, make a live action suit based on them and then light it in typical movie fashion… yes, you’d get the “correct” colors. But the attenuating “blacks” that the Supes artists skillfully employ would be absent. Necessarily, the colors – themselves – have to be subdued/muted for live action.

In both media, the result is the same: the pure primary colors get toned down. But because they are different media, the result must be achieved in different ways.

Very well said. Hopefully Snyder can figure out a way to achieve that translation and have it still look faithful.

 

[Rust]

These examples, I think, underscore the fact that certain elements from comics require translation for live action rather than simple imitation. It’s not as easy as saying that because primary red/blue/yellow works in one medium, it will necessarily work in another.

In these frame examples (as pointed out), there’s not just an assemblage of red/blue/yellow. There’s a fair bit of black too. The “black,” of course, isn’t a real color. In this case, it represents figure boundaries, muscle contours, fabric wrinkles/folds and shadows (especially within the cape and (for “modesty” perhaps) across the front of the trunks). But the visual effect of this “black” is that it subdues the overall brightness of the basic color scheme.

Now, if you were to just sample the r/b/y colors, make a live action suit based on them and then light it in typical movie fashion… yes, you’d get the “correct” colors. But the attenuating “blacks” that the Supes artists skillfully employ would be absent. Necessarily, the colors – themselves – have to be subdued/muted for live action.

In both media, the result is the same: the pure primary colors get toned down. But because they are different media, the result must be achieved in different ways.

Really good observation there. And thank you! Thank you for giving a great example on why you just cant "imitate" comicbook outfits directly from the pages, but that they have to be adapted and adjusted for live-action. The same goes for the rest of the design, the shape, the trunks, the boots, the materials etc.

 

[Godzilla2014]

These examples, I think, underscore the fact that certain elements from comics require translation for live action rather than simple imitation. It’s not as easy as saying that because primary red/blue/yellow works in one medium, it will necessarily work in another.

In these frame examples (as pointed out), there’s not just an assemblage of red/blue/yellow. There’s a fair bit of black too. The “black,” of course, isn’t a real color. In this case, it represents figure boundaries, muscle contours, fabric wrinkles/folds and shadows (especially within the cape and (for “modesty” perhaps) across the front of the trunks). But the visual effect of this “black” is that it subdues the overall brightness of the basic color scheme.

Now, if you were to just sample the r/b/y colors, make a live action suit based on them and then light it in typical movie fashion… yes, you’d get the “correct” colors. But the attenuating “blacks” that the Supes artists skillfully employ would be absent. Necessarily, the colors – themselves – have to be subdued/muted for live action.

In both media, the result is the same: the pure primary colors get toned down. But because they are different media, the result must be achieved in different ways.

Very well said!

 

[camp Blood]

but some of us don't expects dramatically dark shadows even black shadows

natural shadowing from the actors muscle tone is perfectly fine

this is my superman color palate any of these would be fine

 

[JAK®]

These examples, I think, underscore the fact that certain elements from comics require translation for live action rather than simple imitation. It’s not as easy as saying that because primary red/blue/yellow works in one medium, it will necessarily work in another.

In these frame examples (as pointed out), there’s not just an assemblage of red/blue/yellow. There’s a fair bit of black too. The “black,” of course, isn’t a real color. In this case, it represents figure boundaries, muscle contours, fabric wrinkles/folds and shadows (especially within the cape and (for “modesty” perhaps) across the front of the trunks). But the visual effect of this “black” is that it subdues the overall brightness of the basic color scheme.

Now, if you were to just sample the r/b/y colors, make a live action suit based on them and then light it in typical movie fashion… yes, you’d get the “correct” colors. But the attenuating “blacks” that the Supes artists skillfully employ would be absent. Necessarily, the colors – themselves – have to be subdued/muted for live action.

In both media, the result is the same: the pure primary colors get toned down. But because they are different media, the result must be achieved in different ways.

Agreed. It's simple, really. In comics, blonde hair is bright yellow. Yet nobody wants actors to dye their hair yellow when they play a blonde comic character.

 

[Bren]

Agreed. It's simple, really. In comics, blonde hair is bright yellow. Yet nobody wants actors to dye their hair yellow when they play a blonde comic character.

WE DON'T !?!?!?!?!?!











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[Stephen K. Hone]

Really good observation there. And thank you! Thank you for giving a great example on why you just cant "imitate" comicbook outfits directly from the pages, but that they have to be adapted and adjusted for live-action. The same goes for the rest of the design, the shape, the trunks, the boots, the materials etc.

That doesn't mean however that it is impossible to capture the essence of that look, trunks included. Reeve's was pretty close, (to Swan's Superman) but I expect Snyder will go a couple of steps further while still keeping All of the iconic/classic elements.

 

[storyteller]

Why exactly does the actual suit need to fit underneath his clothes or be built to be foldable and what not? The actor is not going to walk around with several layers of clothing when the scene doesn't require him to remove his Clark Kent clothing. Sure I'm all for explanations but lets have a strong sense of reality here. They can explain the situation but they don't actually need it to be true in reality.

 

[camp Blood]

Lightspeed fly to his place to change and take off would be most real

And him going that fast he would be invisible so he wouldn't have to worry about being seen

 

[roach]

Why exactly does the actual suit need to fit underneath his clothes or be built to be foldable and what not? The actor is not going to walk around with several layers of clothing when the scene doesn't require him to remove his Clark Kent clothing. Sure I'm all for explanations but lets have a strong sense of reality here. They can explain the situation but they don't actually need it to be true in reality.

while i dont think we should or are going to get an extensive explanation of the suit...i do believe he should have it on under his clothes for the classic shirt rip

 

[BigA]

Now, if you were to just sample the r/b/y colors, make a live action suit based on them and then light it in typical movie fashion… yes, you’d get the “correct” colors. But the attenuating “blacks” that the Supes artists skillfully employ would be absent. Necessarily, the colors – themselves – have to be subdued/muted for live action.

In both media, the result is the same: the pure primary colors get toned down. But because they are different media, the result must be achieved in different ways.

I was thinking the same thing. The colors look good in the comics, but they would have to be muted/subdued like you said. Like this below, it has Superman's r/b/y colors, but the blacks extenuate them.

 

[KrypJonian]

but some of us don't expects dramatically dark shadows even black shadows

natural shadowing from the actors muscle tone is perfectly fine

this is my superman color palate any of these would be fine

Number 3 is the only acceptable one out of all of those... Though Mattel keeps trying to tell me that Superman's blue is crazy dark and kinda purple...

 

[KrypJonian]

I was thinking the same thing. The colors look good in the comics, but they would have to be muted/subdued like you said. Like this below, it has Superman's r/b/y colors, but the blacks extenuate them.

Those goddamn colors are perfect-ish... Just depend on severe harsh lighting to bring on the darkness/shading...