The OFFICIAL FINAL CRISIS THREAD

[WompuM]

What does shazam stand for again?
solomon
hercules (?)
atlas
zues
A...
mercury

 

[Anubis]

Used to be Wisdom of Solomon, Strength of Hercules, Stamina of Atlas, Power of Zues, Courage of Achillies, and Speed of Mercury. Now they've swaped out Atlas for Apollo.

 

[fifthfiend]

You know looking at that, it's kind of weird that he's got five Greek benefactors and one Jewish dude.

Is there an explanation for that I'm just not aware of?

 

[BlackOpsTengu]

Yeah, the Greek gods are morons.

 

[Anubis]

Do they have any Gods whose name even starts with an S?

 

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Do they have any Gods whose name even starts with an S?

If your asking about Greek Gods only then I can only think of one god with a name that starts with an "S".

The daughter of the Titans Hyperion and Theia was named Selene and she was a moon goddess.

There was also two other creatures in the Greek myth who's names started with the letter "S" that I can think of right now.

Silenus chief of the Satyrs a minor deity race associated with fertility that roamed the woods and mountains. In mythology they are often associated with sex drive and vase-painters often portrayed them with uncontrollable erections.

Steropes, one of the Cyclope's.

There are other pantheon of god with members with names that start with "S".

 

[Anubis]

Spouge of Silenus
Masochism of Hades
bung hole of Apollo
Sex drive of Zues
Tongue play of Artemis
Stamina of Mercury

SHAZAM!! Defender of the perverse!!!

 

[BrianWilly]

Yeah, so now Freddy gets his powers from the "Gods of Magic" which are apparently...magical gods or something...and Mary gets hers from the actual Olympian pantheon.

This will certainly never create problems down the line, so sir.

It was actually a pretty decent issue, though.

 

[WompuM]

Where did the wizard play into all of this. Did he not give them his power?

 

[Andy C.]

Technically, aren't all gods 'magical gods' by their very definition?

 

[Super_Ludacris]

Is this all from 10?

 

[Ion Kenshin]

n00b question alert:
should i be upset at myself that i stopped picking up countdown at issue 20....did it actually get better?

 

[Sakuraba]

n00b question alert:
should i be upset at myself that i stopped picking up countdown at issue 20....did it actually get better?

You were buying Ctdn all the way up through #20? Wow. It has gotten better--a lot better. Ctdn was always backloaded, you could see that from the beginning. It would have worked so much better as an 80pg monthly, or 32 page bi-weekly.

 

[BrianWilly]

Where did the wizard play into all of this. Did he not give them his power?

The Wizard died during Infinite Crisis. Billy Batson currently has his role as the keeper of the Rock of Eternity. And the Wizard never really gave them the power, he was merely a focus for the power that came from the gods.

Technically, aren't all gods 'magical gods' by their very definition?

Yes, but the "gods of magic" featured in the Trials of Shazam miniseries are literally different people than the classic Olympians featured in the old Captain Marvel, Wonder Woman, and current Countdown series. The "gods of magic" deal more exclusively with the rules and enforcements of magic and, again, it's been emphasized in that series that they are not connected to the actual gods that people worshiped, even though they are called by the same names and are associated with the same personas and histories. Atlas holds up the world, Hercules has his labors, Achilles has his heel, etc.

Confusing? Join the party.

Is this all from 10?

Yup. The ladies found the imprisoned gods on Apokolips and freed them. Thalia, the Muse of Comedy, also gave Harley Quinn a bit of power, and Diana (specifically called the Roman Diana and not Artemis for some reason) gave Holly Robinson a bit of hers.

n00b question alert:
should i be upset at myself that i stopped picking up countdown at issue 20....did it actually get better?

Sometimes better, sometimes worse. Issue #10 was, like I said, actually not bad at all. Don't be upset; you really didn't miss a lot.

 

[Super_Ludacris]

w...t...f....

 

[Darthphere]

Mr. Terrific should step up and own everyone in Final Crisis, but we all know there no room except for the white folks to shine.

 

[fifthfiend]

Yes, but the "gods of magic" featured in the Trials of Shazam miniseries are literally different people than the classic Olympians featured in the old Captain Marvel, Wonder Woman, and current Countdown series. The "gods of magic" deal more exclusively with the rules and enforcements of magic and, again, it's been emphasized in that series that they are not connected to the actual gods that people worshiped, even though they are called by the same names and are associated with the same personas and histories. Atlas holds up the world, Hercules has his labors, Achilles has his heel, etc.

Confusing? Join the party.

I'd like to see them clear this up by someone saying "But that makes no sense!" and Hercules or somebody being like "**** you, we're gods."

 

[BrianWilly]

It honestly comes across a bit better in execution than in summary...which is also pretty telling, when you think about it. But it's really not as if you're reading the story and all of a sudden WHAT THERE ARE TWO SETS OF GODS NOTHING MAKES SENSE

 

[sethcohen]

Dan Didio when reading through the script for this weeks countdown:
Hmmmm, this completely contradicts what we just said, but f@#$ it. if magic is good enough for Quesada and marvel its good enough for me! PRINT IT!

 

[BrianWilly]

There's at least two versions of pretty much every single other character at this point, so hey...

 

[Ion Kenshin]

great now im gonna have to bactrack and get them all...i knew it was gonna happen too

 

[BrianWilly]

Well, it's your funeral. But yes, if you've gotten up to #20, you've already suffered through the worst of it.

 

[Anubis]

Well, it's easier to simply consider the fact that, they're "Gods". What does that entail? They're simply really powerful humanoids? Do they posses the ability to be able to actually be multiple beings at once? Makes about as much sense as them being dreams who've achieved existence due to enough people believing in them, which is what the "Gods" are as stated in Sandman.

 

[WompuM]

Anyone else catch in Batman&Outsiders they kept calling Brother Eye "Brother I?" Does DC even have editors?

 

[Anubis]

Now that's good Nitpicking