The OFFICIAL FINAL CRISIS THREAD

[SouLeSS]

I'm picking it upcause I'm a sucker for huge events.

But honestly, I kinda wanna see what happens in this and how it all works out. Theres been tons of rumors and speculation as to what happens in it, and I really wanna see what actually happens.

Chances are it's going to be a terrible terrible event, but oh well.

 

[Assassin]

Anyone reading countdown arena? You think that big fight is gonna go down in FC or the last few countdowns when Monarch brings his army to new earth?

 

[Arkady Rossovich]

I'll keep an eye on this,i'm not sure where i stand yet.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I'm picking it upcause I'm a sucker for huge events.

But honestly, I kinda wanna see what happens in this and how it all works out. Theres been tons of rumors and speculation as to what happens in it, and I really wanna see what actually happens.

Chances are it's going to be a terrible terrible event, but oh well.

That's the spirit, just shrug and be content with mediocrity.

 

[Assassin]

does anyone read countdown arena?

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Yes.

 

[BlackOpsTengu]

So, can anyone recap why this event is terrible? Is it just crossover burnout? Or people not liking the creators/writers? "Lord of the Rings of the DCU" certainly sounds like it has promise. Not saying it'll be done to quite that level, but what's wrong with the concept?

 

[TheCorpulent1]

It's a combination of a lot of things for me. The term "crisis" is utterly devoid of meaning now, since the Crisis on Infinite Earths was a massive event that totally reorganized the DC universe, and then Infinite Crisis was a mediocre event that existed simply to totally undo the Crisis on Infinite Earths. At this point, it's pretty easy to lampoon the idea of yet another crisis. There's also crossover burnout, plus the fact that FC's lead-in Countdown has been pretty terrible, plus the fact that Morrison just doesn't seem to have the same juice as when he was on JLA thanks to his Batman run's suckage, plus the whole idea of Mongul collecting corps rings like some twisted Pokemon challenge being stupid, plus the generally sad state of DC's publishing line almost entirely across the board... it all adds up to not a lot of excitement for yet another event that will "change the DC universe forever."

 

[Assassin]

Still better than Marvel's Wars

 

[TheCorpulent1]

"Marvel's Wars"?

 

[The Watchman]

On one hand I hate events, on the other I unabashedly love Morrison. I'm conflicted. The state of DC, being what it currently is (ugh), I don't see how it could be worse post 'Final Crisis'. I'm hoping it will clean up the mess IC made, and give us back a more accessible and somewhat grounded cohesive universe. I'm sure I will end up buying it, and I'm sure I'll hate myself for it.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Part of me wants to believe that this period between IC and FC was just some kind of testing ground for the people at DC to see how much Silver Age rehashing they could get away with, and then post-FC we'll get some actual progress instead of constant regression.

But that part of me is small and easily cowed by my far larger rational part.

 

[Sawyer]

I'm in. **** haters

Good for you, man.

 

[The Watchman]

The problem with the Silver Age concepts is that it only works in the hands of certain writers and artists, which leaves us with some great material, but it's been all too rare. I'm right there with you, the intermediate period felt much like a testing ground to me as well, but I have a feeling we all may be left scratching our heads post-FC.

 

[Assassin]

balls, are you down with the action comics stuff?

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Not I. I've heard it's great and I'm sure it is, but I neither know nor care about the Silver Age Legion. The current Legion is enough for me.

 

[Assassin]

You are not balls. Yo do not have the balls to be called balls

 

[The Watchman]

It's been great since Gary Frank jumped on. Like I said, there have been some good arcs (delays aside) but it's the mid-level comics that seem to be suffering the most, because without the higher tier creators (and even with some of them) it comes off as muddled ridiculousness.

 

[Assassin]

Silver Age Legion > Mark Waids Legion

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Really, really not. Waid's Brainiac 5 is one of the greatest characters in comics right now. He's better than the Silver Age Legion all by himself.

 

[BrianWilly]

I don't think this event will be bad at all. Morrison is helming this apparently with a lot of input from Johns, and unlike a lot of people here who abandoned ship halfway through Infinite Crisis, I loved that all the way through. Both of those guys' creative outputs seem to be directly proportional to the scale of the work. So, on a technical level, this sounds like the Bast Buk Evar.

It's just so unfortunate that it has so damn much going against it. It is being built up entirely through Countdown and its tie-ins, which, guess what, Countdown and (most of) its tie-ins are collectively the worst pieces of goddamn fcking trash that have ever been printed. At best they tend to be boring and pointless wastes of time (Ray Palmer, Lord Havok), at worst they're offensively bad and badly offensive insults to our intelligence (Amazons Attack), and all of that is completely disregarding to main title which -- right up until the past month -- has been consistently unreadable on top of being horribly-edited.

And add to this the fact that DC's titles this year saw the sharpest divides in quality between good books versus bad books since, well, since at least before I started reading their titles in the early 2000s. It used to be that even the bad titles were either not irredeemably bad or simply not numerous enough to be paid any mind. Now it's gotten to be that so many titles are bad and finding the good books, much less the great books, are a chore onto themselves.

What does any of this have to do with Final Crisis, you ask? Simply that even if Final Crisis ends up being one of the greatest events in existence, it's also being led up to by a year of DC at its absolute, most unrepentant weakest. That alone will always carve a sour taste in its legacy.

Oh yeah, WHILE I'M AT IT, what the fck? Hippolyta appears this week in Countdown on the same island as the fake Amazons in spite of the fact that several books have suggested that there were two islands instead of one, and also the one Hippolyta is on in Wonder Woman is most assuredly not occupied. Wow guys. This has long since outdone even the SHRA on the scale of writers and editors not knowing what the hell each other are doing.

Don't talk to me about knowing the hate, sister friend. I know the hate.

 

[Doc Destruction]

Silver Age Legion > Mark Waids Legion

Got to agree here.

Waid's Legion is good, but there's only so much "Let's hate the adults!" I can take.

 

[DoomJester]

I've all but disappeared from Hype for a while (sad...) but it looks like right now I'm seeing a lot of people not looking forward to this book, or people who are only going to buy it because they read super-hero comics and it's another super-hero comic.

Well let me say I have no reservations about this book! I honestly think it will be one of the best books of next year. May is my birthday month so hopefully I'll get the issue around my birthday. But between this and Mark Millar's Fantastic Four run I think we will have the two best books of the year. Yeah I said it.

 

[GL1]

This is, what they call around here, a "DC cover." While all comics do it, DC, imho, can be especially artful at portraying things on the cover that are only passably symbolic of the events on the inside.

This is also a very good illustration of why I don't want to read Final Crisis. We are promised some great thing, great massive things are implied, but the end result will be status quo at best, but more likely, especially with Johns involved, regress us further into the Silver Age. Coupled with the idea that this would be a 'final crisis,' and that once back in the Silver Age the DC universe will be 'fixed,' with no need for another crisis is even more maddening.

Look at the cover. Heroes die. Legends live forever. The imagery suggets that Superman, Batman, Flash, Green Lantern, Wonder Woman and Hawkman will die. But that won't happen. It's far more likely that the legendary heroes will live forever, and that other non-Silver age Heroes will die, and it will likely be only one or two such persons. Not much of a crisis at all.

Spare me. Spare me, please. If this kills off my favorites, I'll interpret it to mean that DC only wants fans who love the Silver Age, and that I, someone who didn't start reading comics til the 90s, should spend my money elsewhere.

 

[Doc Destruction]

Look at the cover. Heroes die. Legends live forever. The imagery suggets that Superman, Batman, Flash, Green Lantern, Wonder Woman and Hawkman will die.

How'd you pull that out of your ass? The people on the post are the legends. I never inferred that they would die from that image. Unless DC wants to go right out of business by wiping out their flagships.