The OFFICIAL FINAL CRISIS THREAD

[TheCorpulent1]

If DC had the balls to kill off the trinity and replace them with sidekicks, I would be shocked. It'd probably be interesting temporarily, but they'd obviously come back. As Doc said, killing the trinity permanently would be like asking to go out of business.

Of course, the main reason why GL1's idea doesn't make sense is the fact that Hal Jordan is on that pic. Why would they go to such great lengths to resurrect Hal and wipe his slate clean, just to kill him off again after a couple of years? Answer: they wouldn't. Also, I think Johns would probably start cutting the balls off of anyone who tried to kill or in any way tarnish Hal ever again.

 

[SouLeSS]

"Marvel's Wars"?

Civil War
Secrect Wars I and II
World War Hulk
so on and so forth.

 

[Kurosawa]

Really, really not. Waid's Brainiac 5 is one of the greatest characters in comics right now. He's better than the Silver Age Legion all by himself.

Current Brainy is a snotty Namor/Quicksilver clone with the source of arrogance coming via intellect as opposed to royality or racism. Silver Age Brainy was DC's counterpart to Hank Pym, right down to the insecurity and the bouts with insanity. So SA Brainy>Waid's crap.

Final Crisis looks like garbage, not cos it's using Silver Age ideas, but because it's most likely gonna be another DC slaughterfest.

DC ended in 1985 as far as I'm concerned anyway. All comics have done since then is desperately try to ape Dark Knight and Watchmen. How's about we see something new?

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I stopped reading after I saw your user name. Everyone knows you're hopelessly biased against all things post-1980.

 

[yenaled]

Waid's Brainy is nothing like Quicksilver or Namor.

 

[DoomJester]

Current Brainy is a snotty Namor/Quicksilver clone with the source of arrogance coming via intellect as opposed to royality or racism. Silver Age Brainy was DC's counterpart to Hank Pym, right down to the insecurity and the bouts with insanity. So SA Brainy>Waid's crap.

Final Crisis looks like garbage, not cos it's using Silver Age ideas, but because it's most likely gonna be another DC slaughterfest.

DC ended in 1985 as far as I'm concerned anyway. All comics have done since then is desperately try to ape Dark Knight and Watchmen. How's about we see something new?

It's interesting that you say that all comics have done is try and ape DKR and Watchmen. If you mean quality wise, I'd say that's a good idea. If all of our books could be as good as DKR and Watchmen comics would be, well, magical. If you mean that they have all been bleak, deconstructionist pieces, I can agree with you to a point. But I think now comics are in an upswing. I remember Dan Dido saying, around the time of Infinite Crisis, that he wanted to move away from all the deconstructionism. And I do think the DCU has been in many ways about building up rather than tearing down. Is it a happy place? Is it overall a happier place? Don't know. But I do think more of the stories are, at there core, more about bringing people together than watching them fall apart. It is more about how the super-hero model can work rather than how it fails.

Also, Final Crisis will be also. Grant's awesome, JG Jones is awesome. Series will be hot.

 

[Darthphere]

Waid's Brainy is nothing like Quicksilver or Namor.

So much so, that he is.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

He's more like Dr. Doom, really. A good Dr. Doom. Which is probably why he's awesome.

 

[Doc Destruction]

Brainy is probably Waid's best member, but I'm not feeling alot of the rest. The classics are better in most cases, IMO.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

The only classic version I prefer is Karate Kid, and that's only because the Waid-era KK is a complete ***** who couldn't fight his way out of a paper bag.

 

[Doc Destruction]

He really is.

 

[Ultra-Herald9]

He's more like Dr. Doom, really. A good Dr. Doom. Which is probably why he's awesome.

Ouch.Credibility loss.


SA Legion tromps waid era legion. Read any of the legion epics and you'd know that.

 

[Kitsune]

If DC had the balls to kill off the trinity and replace them with sidekicks, I would be shocked. It'd probably be interesting temporarily, but they'd obviously come back. As Doc said, killing the trinity permanently would be like asking to go out of business.

Then we'd find that the Trinity members that died would actually be Skrull's in the Ultimate DC/Marvel cross over event... Crisis of Infinite Secret Invasion Wars

 

[Arkady Rossovich]

So,what are the chances this will be the "final" DC "event" and after this they will go back to just selling comics again?

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Ouch.Credibility loss.


SA Legion tromps waid era legion. Read any of the legion epics and you'd know that.

SA Legion is a bunch of moldy old trash as far as I'm concerned. But to each his own. I'm not gonna convince you I'm right about the Waid Legion being better (even though I clearly am) anymore than you're going to convince me that the SA Legion is better (since you're wrong).

 

[Assassin]

Current Brainy is a snotty Namor/Quicksilver clone with the source of arrogance coming via intellect as opposed to royality or racism. Silver Age Brainy was DC's counterpart to Hank Pym, right down to the insecurity and the bouts with insanity. So SA Brainy>Waid's crap.

Final Crisis looks like garbage, not cos it's using Silver Age ideas, but because it's most likely gonna be another DC slaughterfest.

DC ended in 1985 as far as I'm concerned anyway. All comics have done since then is desperately try to ape Dark Knight and Watchmen. How's about we see something new?

I stopped reading after I saw your user name. Everyone knows you're hopelessly biased against all things post-1980.

so true

 

[Darthphere]

I will lawl when these same people clamor for something "new" in comics.

 

[Assassin]

So,what are the chances this will be the "final" DC "event" and after this they will go back to just selling comics again?

No one said it was the last event, hell the blackest night comes out a year after this starts. Its called Final Crisis, not Final Event.

 

[Miss Webb]

When did Mongul grow a fifth finger? He's always drawn with 4 fingers, but I guess he grew an extra one so he could fit more power rings.

Don't y'all get it? He's the TRAFFIC LANTERN...

you know

like, RED for STOP
YELLOW for CAUTION
and dig it, GREEN for GO...

I bet one blinks too, for construction areas. And rings are like potato chips, you can't stop at one.

 

[Kurosawa]

I stopped reading after I saw your user name. Everyone knows you're hopelessly biased against all things post-1980.

Odd that my constant praise of Death of Superman, Grant/Breyfogyle Detective Comics, and series like New Frontier has been a staple of my presence on here. But it's easy to forget things like that I suppose.

I'll never deny that my views on comics are radical, nor do I expect many modern readers who have been coached in the current mode of thinking to agree with me.

 

[Kurosawa]

It's interesting that you say that all comics have done is try and ape DKR and Watchmen. If you mean quality wise, I'd say that's a good idea. If all of our books could be as good as DKR and Watchmen comics would be, well, magical. If you mean that they have all been bleak, deconstructionist pieces, I can agree with you to a point. But I think now comics are in an upswing. I remember Dan Dido saying, around the time of Infinite Crisis, that he wanted to move away from all the deconstructionism. And I do think the DCU has been in many ways about building up rather than tearing down. Is it a happy place? Is it overall a happier place? Don't know. But I do think more of the stories are, at there core, more about bringing people together than watching them fall apart. It is more about how the super-hero model can work rather than how it fails.

Also, Final Crisis will be also. Grant's awesome, JG Jones is awesome. Series will be hot.

I personally find DKR and Watchmen to be overrated to a degree; I'd rather read Maus or Contract with God for more mature type comics. But that aside, it's the bleak deconstructionist/superemo crap of the last 20 years that's gotten old.

Before with comics, every 10-20 years or so, the approach towards comics and indeed the genres themselves changes. Comics have been in a huge, huge rut for years now. What should have been over by 1998-2000 at the latest has drug into 2007 with no end in sight.

 

[Kurosawa]

Ouch.Credibility loss.


SA Legion tromps waid era legion. Read any of the legion epics and you'd know that.

And 99.9% of hardcore Legion fans that actually know what they're talking about would agree with you.

 

[The Watchman]

Maus is certainly excellent, as is Blankets, and It's a Bird..., but it's a vastly different genre within comics. I won't argue that is has gotten old in the hands of shall we say...less capable writers. At the time DKR and Watchmen were incredible, slightly lessened by the years and all that followed, but still important milestones in comics. I hate for anything to be pigeonholed into what it "should" be or perpetually "is" I like change, at the time, decontructionist comics came along and did what wasn't thought possible, and while I don't necessarily like where we ended up, I like the open mindedness to simply have something different. Everything of the last 20 years hasn't been grim and gritty though, surely you know this if you pick up comics. The Zeitgeist and shared universes may lean in that direction, but there is definately an eclectic selection out there. Just to name a few, Allstar Superman, Doctor 13, Agents of Atlas, Godland, New Frontier, Casanova, Brave and the Bold, all have vestiges of 'times past'. It's selling the medium short to offhandedly dismiss everything new because of a perception. Not that I completely disagree, and of course it's largely subjective, but I hope you understand not everything is complete **** post 1986.

 

[BrianWilly]

Odd that my constant praise of Death of Superman, Grant/Breyfogyle Detective Comics, and series like New Frontier has been a staple of my presence on here. But it's easy to forget things like that I suppose.

Please. Don't try to come off like the victim here. It's easy to forget because you've said this:

I'll never deny that my views on comics are radical, nor do I expect many modern readers who have been coached in the current mode of thinking to agree with me.

...more times than you've said anything else here. Search any of your posts on this board and we end up with millions of variations on the same theme, over and over and over and over again.

If you don't deny that your views are extreme and don't expect people to agree with you, then don't act like some misunderstood activist when people don't agree with you and think your views are extreme.

 

[Stallion9979]

I really liked the direction DC was heading in leading up to IC they made a cohesive universe that all the heroes worked in and set up alot of interesting events...the heroes had an edge to them but didnt cross any lines and things had a reality factor to them...IC wiped all of that out and took us back to PRE Crisis...stupid Silver Age stories that wiped out alot of what fans liked in the last 20 years...I really hope that if Final Crisis does anything it erases everything from IC #1 til Final Crisis #0

I mean in all reality how many great things in terms of character development really happened...the 52 line while it had promise in the start had a monster movie ending and the debacle that is Countdown is even worse...I feel really bad for the people that shelled out money every week for either story...

any major changes could have been done easier in a stream lined mini or in the characters own titles...

52 weeks is a long time to try and carry a weak story and hopefully they use Final Crisis to tell us that the real villain behind all of this was Joe Quesada