The OFFICIAL FINAL CRISIS THREAD

Sadly the world loves stupidity. It gets proven again and again. It's something that is very difficult to change and I don't think it ever will...not for a long time anyway. Don't get me wrong, I too, enjoy the occassional mindles sillyness/stupidity, but it shouldn't consume our whole society. Yet it seems to be doing just that with each passing day unfortunately.
Here's the problem: it doesn't have to be inevitable! If the culture presented us with only intelligent entertainment, would people stop going to the movies and watching TV? No, they'd adjust and adapt. They had to be trained to be proudly stupid. They can be re-trained to be intelligent.
 
I love a good fart joke as much as the next guy. Doesn't mean I don't appreciate Waiting for Godot.



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Here's the problem: it doesn't have to be inevitable! If the culture presented us with only intelligent entertainment, would people stop going to the movies and watching TV? No, they'd adjust and adapt. They had to be trained to be proudly stupid. They can be re-trained to be intelligent.
And there lies another problem. Entertainment caters to the stupidity of people because maybe its just easier. :huh::whatever: I swear I feel like people who make certain movies and shows sit around and go "hmmm what's better? plan things out and make an interesting compelling story or just mash up a bunch of dumb **** that everyone will run and see and fun utterly hysterical while sitting in a theatre laughing and clapping their hands like a bunch of happy morons?", and then they decide on the latter. It's obnoxcious honestly.
 
But they wouldn't have to do that. There are tons of great screenwriters and other writers out there. Entertainment doesn't have to keep allowing Dane Cook and Danny the Larry Guy and John Grisham and Robert Jordan and Thomas Kinkade and reality TV and Michael Bay to be in showbusiness. What the hell did we Jews take over the world for, if we're not going to use it for something good!
 
But they wouldn't have to do that. There are tons of great screenwriters and other writers out there. Entertainment doesn't have to keep allowing Dane Cook and Danny the Larry Guy and John Grisham and Robert Jordan and Thomas Kinkade and reality TV and Michael Bay to be in showbusiness. What the hell did we Jews take over the world for, if we're not going to use it for something good!
Well at this point I just chalk everything up to taste. I won't say people have bad taste or no taste because everyone is different. It's a matter of preference. If people still want to make what I feel is silly/stupid by all means go ahead. They just won't get any of my money.


P.S. I actually happen to like Dane Cook.
 
I dug it through the fourth book, myself. It lost me with Fires of Heaven, although I still kept reading it for like three more books before finally giving up because I'd forgotten what the hell was going on by the time Crossroads of Twilight came out.
 
Wheel of Time's wonderfully fun, but it's hacky and mediocre writing, and he could have told that story in half the pages. He's the Keith Giffen of fantasy books: great plotter, not so trustworthy as a scripter.

And most importantly, people think that **** is "deep." That's what irks me so much these days, all the ignorant, surface-level ******** that people say is "deep" or "artistic" or "important," just because it happens to have a message beyond "good guys win" or "guy gets girl." People try to tell me that Marley & Me is important because it "has a message." **** that. "The Stranger" has a message. "The Myth of Sisyphus" has a message. The Man With No Name trilogy has a message. Marley & Me is just ******ed rom-com entertainment for ******s with no imaginations and a sick fantasy of what love means.

Dane Cook is a very energetic performer who is fun to watch, but intolerable to listen to, for almost anyone with a serious interest in standup comedy. He's so similar and familiar and safe. He takes no risks. He needs a writer that can match his physical energy and intensity.
 
I just liked all the political mumbo-jumbo in WoT. That was the first fantasy series I read that was so heavy on the internal politics of the fantasy world.

I also drew so much fan art for the series in my teens, it'd make your eyes bleed. :o
 
Dane Cook is a very energetic performer who is fun to watch, but intolerable to listen to, for almost anyone with a serious interest in standup comedy. He's so similar and familiar and safe. He takes no risks. He needs a writer that can match his physical energy and intensity.
He really is fun to watch. But the more I watched him, the more I realized that his "punchlines" are usually just him yelling. The fact that he's now starring in half of the horrible romantic comedies and frat boy 'comedy' films didn't help either.
 
I feel like JD in that one episode of Scrubs with the injured soldier. Everyone was talking about Iraq, so JD went home for the entire episode to research it so he wouldn't be out of the loop. By the time he made it back to the hospital at the end of the episode, no one was talking about Iraq anymore.

I read Final Crisis yesterday, and now everyone's talking about Dane Cook!
 
I feel like JD in that one episode of Scrubs with the injured soldier. Everyone was talking about Iraq, so JD went home for the entire episode to research it so he wouldn't be out of the loop. By the time he made it back to the hospital at the end of the episode, no one was talking about Iraq anymore.

I read Final Crisis yesterday, and now everyone's talking about Dane Cook!
Thoughts?
 
I feel like JD in that one episode of Scrubs with the injured soldier. Everyone was talking about Iraq, so JD went home for the entire episode to research it so he wouldn't be out of the loop. By the time he made it back to the hospital at the end of the episode, no one was talking about Iraq anymore.

I read Final Crisis yesterday, and now everyone's talking about Dane Cook!
Thoughts?

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Thoughts?
As far as trying to be an epic story, it did a great job. I felt like I wasn't as emotionally invested in some of the characters as I should've been, but there were a lot of characters, and I can't have my cake and eat it too.
Thoughts?

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He comes from the Ellen Degeneres School of Telling Jokes Without Punchlines. He's great at keeping his audience's attention, but if there was ever a stand-up comedian who needed a ghostwriter, it was Dane "Can you imagine being a snake with acidy spit? There's no punchline to that joke; I'm just going to mime it now" Cook.




--ADDITION EDIT--
There were a few threats during Final Crisis I really wasn't feeling. The new Furies, for example. It's like the book kept telling me "Wonder Woman, Batwoman, and Catwoman are riding giant dogs while wearing scary masks! Isn't that terrible?!" But it felt like they were just showing up for the sake of showing up. Should I care about these characters or what they're doing?

I'm also a tad confused with one thing regarding the Dark Side club that dates back to when I read Seven Soldiers. Specifically, where the hell are the gods of New Genesis throughout Final Crisis? Weren't they trapped in the bodies of old injured vagrants?
 
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He comes from the Ellen Degeneres School of Telling Jokes Without Punchlines.
That's really where standup comedy is right now, though. Punchlines are sort of considered passe. His problem is that he also comes from the Dennis Miller School of Abjectly Failing to Be Funny When You Do Observational Comedy, the Denis Leary School of Ripping Off People Who Are Funnier Than You And Still Somehow Failing to Be Funny, and the Andrew Dice Clay/Danny the Larry Guy/Jeff Foxworthy School of Catchphrase Comedy.
 
Good lord, Dane Cook has a catchphrase now?! I thought he just had that stupid double-bird hand gesture.
 
Specifically, where the hell are the gods of New Genesis throughout Final Crisis? Weren't they trapped in the bodies of old injured vagrants?
Yeah, but they lost, so they were less conscious of it maybe. Except Mister Miracle, who can escape from anything, including the existential torture of mundane Earthly living. And then Metron, who owned the s*** out of that f***in' Rubik's cube.
 
Good lord, Dane Cook has a catchphrase now?! I thought he just had that stupid double-bird hand gesture.
He's all about catchphrases. I guess I would call the "SuFi" (which is what that gesture is called) a catchphrase in a way. But half of his jokes are about inventing a catchphrase, like "Where's the ****in' van?" or "B&E!" or "Relation****" or whatever.
 
I thought those weren't so much catchphrases, but his inability to write new jokes more than once a year. I've heard maybe 3 different versions of the Burger King joke. Stephen Lynch writes new material more often, and he has to write music to his jokes.
 

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