The Official Flash thread - Part 1

[Panthro]

As someone who grew up reading Wally's stories I rather have those stories that are in my long boxes and book shelves displaying his growth and evolution as his legacy than have him get regressed like his best friend Dick Grayson was. Even Bart was seriously ruined for the worse in certain respects so far at least Wally didn't have to go through that and Barry actually improved.

I find it disappointing that DC didn't make more of an effort to find some way for Wally and the resurrected Barry to coexist. They found a way to have Kyle Rayner and the resurrected Hal Jordan to coexist, why couldn't they do the same with Wally and Barry? Would it have really killed them to have Barry just move to some other city that didn't have a hero & start over there so he wouldn't step on Wally's toes?

 

[flash13]

I'm convinced Didio doesn't like Wally, if it weren't for him they would have found a way to use Wally. However that might just be my fanboy anger which still hasn't cooled completely.

 

[Hush]

I just reread Flashpoint, and I definitely think they'd have to do some sort of prologue explaining how Reverse Flash killed Barry's mother, made his life miserable, etc.

Outside of that, I really think the Batman mini is the only other really important thing that could be integrated. Mainly because, at it's heart, Flashpoint is as much a Batman story as it is a Flash story, so they'd be wise to really highlight all the parallels between the two characters.

Explaining the Aquaman/Wonder Woman war, showing Superman's life of confinement...really isn't at all important or necessary. You pretty much get the drift from the main Flashpoint storyline.

I'd love to see the Aquaman stuff animated as like a short or something as that was my favorite part of the story and does play heavily into the Climax of the story. Who do you want to voice Thomas Wayne?

 

[CConn]

Tara Strong.

 

[lixdexia]

I just reread Flashpoint, and I definitely think they'd have to do some sort of prologue explaining how Reverse Flash killed Barry's mother, made his life miserable, etc.

Outside of that, I really think the Batman mini is the only other really important thing that could be integrated. Mainly because, at it's heart, Flashpoint is as much a Batman story as it is a Flash story, so they'd be wise to really highlight all the parallels between the two characters.

Explaining the Aquaman/Wonder Woman war, showing Superman's life of confinement...really isn't at all important or necessary. You pretty much get the drift from the main Flashpoint storyline.

i think you must have gotten your titles mixed up in the middle there. the batman mini added nothing to the main story, just expanded on thomas' motivations which were already explained in the main book, whereas the aquaman and wonder woman mini's explained the backdrop against which the story is told. you don't really need any of the minis, but if you were going to take from any of them to sure up the story it'd be aquaman and wonder woman. also there's enough batman in the main story already, no need to give him even more screen time.

 

[Roose Bolton]

Didn't the Batman mini win an Eisner ? And generally considered to be the best of the Flashpoint stuff?
I think CCon has the right of it, we'll probably see Joker!Martha in some form.

 

[lixdexia]

oh yeah the batman mini was good, but that's immaterial to the main flashpoint story.

 

[Mystirious]

They probably won't adapt all of it but I hope they use some of the stuff from that miniseries

All the while sporting those spiffy mutton chops

Epic underwater mutton chops

 

[CConn]

i think you must have gotten your titles mixed up in the middle there. the batman mini added nothing to the main story, just expanded on thomas' motivations which were already explained in the main book, whereas the aquaman and wonder woman mini's explained the backdrop against which the story is told. you don't really need any of the minis, but if you were going to take from any of them to sure up the story it'd be aquaman and wonder woman. also there's enough batman in the main story already, no need to give him even more screen time.

But see, you're looking at it from purely a plot perspective. The Wonder Woman and Aquaman minis explain the whole war better and all, but I would argue the whole war is a relatively unimportant part of the overall story.

Like I said, the story at it's heart is about drawing parraelles between Barry and Thomas Wayne. Everything else is just a backdrop to that. And, personally, I disagree with your thoughts that enough of Thomas Wayne's motivation is shown in the main story. I mean, yeah, he's obsessed with bringing Bruce back - but I think actually showing what happened to Martha, and having that whole ending exchange between him and Martha about Bruce would not only better illustrate his loss, but also just make for a powerful and shocking moment for the audience.

And I mean, on the same token, as I alreadt eluded, they could really add a bit more focus on Barry's own loss of his mother - which was also kinda of glossed over in Flashpoint due to it having already been covered in Rebirth. Again, it should be all about pain and loss between the two main characters. Everything else is just a backdrop for that.

Also, don't be such a dick. That's my job.

 

[lixdexia]

Also, don't be such a dick. That's my job.

i do what i want

yeah, i see what your saying. i could see maybe the end of the batman mini being an early scene then. personally though, i'd rather they downplay batman as much as is possible for this and i'm tired of dead parents as motivation. i hope that gets outright changed in the dtv.

 

[Roose Bolton]

What about dead kids?

 

[CConn]

i do what i want

yeah, i see what your saying. i could see maybe the end of the batman mini being an early scene then. personally though, i'd rather they downplay batman as much as is possible for this and i'm tired of dead parents as motivation. i hope that gets outright changed in the dtv.

The other problem with integrating more of the Wonder Woman/Aquaman story is you'd probably end up spreading the focus too thin between all of the characters. I mean, hypothetically, if they included the AM and WW minis, who would even be the main character of the movie? Just in terms of a thematic approach, it'd be a lot cleaner to just leave it as a Flash and Batman show.

Although I totally agree that the whole Aquaman and Wonder Woman story would make for a good movie in its own right.

And while I agree the dead parents thing s way overdone...that's kinda the point of the entirety of Flashpoint. Without it, it'd really be a very different story.

 

[HighFivingMF]

Maybe the Aquaman and Wonder Woman backstory could be put into a 10-minute short like the Catwoman story with Year One.

 

[CConn]

That would work.

 

[lixdexia]

i'm not saying adapt the whole mini for either character, but like a scene or two towards the front explaining why half of europe is underwater would be nice.

 

[CConn]

Oh! Sorry. I thought you were talking about including their whole minis.

 

[lixdexia]

oh god no...that'd be a whole thing unto itself. i'm just talking about a couple of scenes to explain that wonder woman and aquaman are at war and it's going to destroy the whole planet.

again, just want to state how much i'm against adding more batman stuff though. you've already got him explaining and doing most everything for barry and cyborg being the superman character, i don't want to see flash play 3rd fiddle in his own movie.

 

[Mystirious]

Yep just add a few scenes from the tie ins to show what the world of Flashpoint is like

Otherwise the movie is going to be longer than Lord of the Rings

 

[CConn]

oh god no...that'd be a whole thing unto itself. i'm just talking about a couple of scenes to explain that wonder woman and aquaman are at war and it's going to destroy the whole planet.

again, just want to state how much i'm against adding more batman stuff though. you've already got him explaining and doing most everything for barry and cyborg being the superman character, i don't want to see flash play 3rd fiddle in his own movie.

Again, you're overlooking the thematic purpose behind it. It's all about the mirroring between Barry and Thomas. That's FAR from Barry being a "3rd fiddle".

 

[Mystirious]

I'm looking forward to seeing more of King Grodd next issue

Hopefully with his combat spoon

 

[Roose Bolton]

Since we're on the Flashpoint topic, what's Zoom's current status? Is he still dead ?

 

[Mystirious]

I think he may not exist anymore

Barry's rogues seem to have been rebooted

 

[Roose Bolton]

That's oddly fitting

 

[Mystirious]

He's chilling with the Anti Monitor and all the other event comic book villains who never existed now in comic limbo

 

[Roose Bolton]

I like to picture them all I'm a giant prison that's being guarded by Steph and Wally.

It keeps them alive in my head