The Official Flash Thread - Part 2

[chamber-music]

The Flash is awesome and his powers are very versatile its a shame people just see him as a character that just runs fast.

 

[Savage]

Yeah, I can't tell you how many times I had to explain to people just what you can do with super speed. Common sense things.

 

[Octoberist]

The problem is that the friggin' screenwriter Marc What's His Face keeps out saying 'runs super fast' instead of saying 'super speed'. I really don't think he understand The Flash, and we need Geoff Johns to jump in ASAP.

 

[terry78]

All four of the Flashes are extremely dangerous if they ever went all out with what they can do. People assume that it's just him running really really fast and are like, "what is he gonna do, just keep avoiding the fight?" But he's basically a living weapon.

 

[Octoberist]

I actually convinced a coworker that the Flash is super powerful. If you took a punch from The Flash, your head would be flying off. Depending on the speed of course.

Also, he can break down atoms, generate electrics through vibrations, has super fast learning and healing. However, I think some writers have been inconsistent on whether or not mind control works on The Flash. In theory, his mind is too fast. But I guess it depends on what Flash we're talking about.

 

[terry78]

It's like Quicksilver and other speedsters, people assume it's just a defensive ability as opposed to offensive. If I could move super fast, I'd be ****ing ***** up day after day.

 

[Panthro]

The problem is that the friggin' screenwriter Marc What's His Face keeps out saying 'runs super fast' instead of saying 'super speed'. I really don't think he understand The Flash, and we need Geoff Johns to jump in ASAP.

In the bold: careful, the Anti-Geoff Johns Society that dominates the SHH may come after you for a post like this.

 

[solidsnake86]

Considering they handed in the script in december its been very quiet on the news front for this film.

 

[Savage]

In the bold: careful, the Anti-Geoff Johns Society that dominates the SHH may come after you for a post like this.

There are people who are ANTI-Geoff Johns?

 

[HighFivingMF]

There are people who are ANTI-Geoff Johns?

Mostly people who are extremely pro-Wally and pro-Kyle.

 

[JAK®]

There are people who are ANTI-Geoff Johns?

Yeah, there are a surprising amount of people who don't like good comics.

 

[chamber-music]

I think one of the awesome things is that the Flashes think at super-speed they can process millions of ideas in a second ita takes for a person to breathe. The Flash could work out a million different ways to kick your ass and actully do it before a average persons brain sends a signal to do anything

 

[Octoberist]

Mostly people who are extremely pro-Wally and pro-Kyle.

I just don't understand comic book nerds b/c as time goes on and if Wally never becomes the main Flash again, are they gonna be bitter forever about it?

Listen, I like Wally and I would like to see him regain the spotlight again, but I also like Barry's run too. I wish people were more tolerate.

 

[Timstuff]

Exactly. If you're going to start off with Wally then, unless you go with a completely different origin, he's gonna have to end up in that lab and get those powers somehow. JLU made him a forensic scientist which is just...weird to me since I'm used to him being a mechanic of average intelligence (and they've shown him to be sometimes even foolish on that very show so that really clashed).

I'm pretty sure I've had this exact conversation/ argument before but I'd personally prefer to see things done in order. Barry then Wally. Jay got shoehorned into that family so his fitting is about as awkward as putting Power Girl in a Superman movie. If he's even in there, unless the legacy is a big part of the story I doubt we'd see him powered. Like Alan Scott appearing in GL powerless or something.

In my outline that I've been working on, I've set up a trilogy where I try to be fair to both Barry and Wally while staying true to the comics. Wally is in the first movie, but he does not get powers until the very end, and the audience does not learn that he has powers until after the credits. Wally would be a high school student and would never become "Kid Flash," and would instead transition to directly to being The Flash after Barry dies. However, he would to a degree be a sidekick for Barry, even if it's not in the traditional comic book sense. Kind of like how in the Captain America movie, Bucky is in it but doesn't wear a costume.

The first movie is about Barry the family man juggling work life with home life with superhero life, while trying to stop a city from being destroyed by the Weather Wizard. Hunter Zolomon would be introduced as an FBI investigator overseeing a case Barry is working on, and Barry would be haunted a vision of the Black Flash shortly after getting his powers.

The sequel would be a passing-the-torch story. Wally is learning how to control his new powers while trying to keep them a secret, where Barry makes the heroic sacrifice to stop the combined might of the Rogues (probably the captains and Mirror Master). The Black Flash finally catches Barry, and he dies. In the third act Wally must don the costume and take up the mantle to finish the rogues for good. Hunter Zolomon's contempt for The Flash would start to be established in this film.

The third film would be all Wally, and it would be about him striking out to rise out of his uncle's shadow while dealing with personal drama. Hunter Zolomon would also make his debut as Zoom, and have an epic showdown with Wally. Since Zolomon can speed up and slow down time, Wally's only hope of beating him is to prove that he is in fact the fastest man alive, and even faster than his uncle.

I think 3 movies is enough to do justice to both Barry and Wally. You don't have to ignore one of them in favor of the other, because they'd each get to be The Flash in two movies. Barry fans wouldn't have to feel like they got skipped over, and us Wally fans would only have to wait until the second movie to see Wally become The Flash. Yeah, there's gonna be some middle-aged fanboy out there who was always pissed that they killed off Barry and will only be satisfied if they completely ignore the part about Barry dying and Wally taking over, but overall I think the idea of a Barry/Wally trilogy would work out very nicely while being pretty accurate to the mythos of Barry passing the torch to Wally.

 

[Savage]

That's not bad. No origin for Barry then?

I think it's a good idea but it would ultimately feel cramped. Wally becoming Kid Flash and then THE Flash in the same movie is kind of a stretch. Hell, I'd think it'd be a stretch if he even became Kid Flash at the end of the first movie and Flash by the second. It feels like something that needs more time to develop.

 

[Timstuff]

Barry's origin is in the outline I'm writing. I think what I've come up with is pretty accurate to the comics, however I do have a slight twist on it that I think ties it together with the rest of the movie's plot pretty nicely.

 

[Panthro]

There are people who are ANTI-Geoff Johns?

Seems like everywhere I go on this site whenever Geoff Johns name is mentioned, people start hating on the man as if he were a Nazi war criminal.

I've often wondered if it would be easier to simply condense Barry & Wally getting their powers on the same night - say Iris had to work late so she leaves Wally with Barry, then Barry gets a call from work asking him to come in for a favor, he drags Wally with him, they're both in the lab when the lighting bolt strikes, enter Flash & Kid Flash.

 

[Savage]

That would be great. I was mulling over the same idea. Have Wally discover his powers at the end of the film. Maybe towards the end they run off as Flash and Kid Flash. That or have Kid Flash actually show up in costume at the beginning of the next film. Maybe Wally's powers are revealed during the climax where he actually has to save Barry or something.

Or while Barry is trying to keep his powers a secret throughout the movie Wally reveals that he knew who he was the whole time. That he could actually keep up with him and knows when he's speeding up. Maybe Barry tries the two places at once trick trying to play both Flash and himself and Wally points out that he can see him running out of the room and back in.

 

[Orin]

I just don't understand comic book nerds b/c as time goes on and if Wally never becomes the main Flash again, are they gonna be bitter forever about it?

You woudn't believe how many comic book readers remained bitter for 25 years when they killed of Barry Allen. Or how many of them were still *****ing about Hal Jordan becoming Parallax years after that paticular storyline. Or how to that day, people are whining about the Byrne Superman reboot they did in 1986. And there are countless other examples. But the sad thing about all of that is, instead of focusing on telling good stories that are accessible for people who haven't been buying comic books for the last 30 or 40 years, people within DC are actually listening to these guys, even through pretty much none of them stop buying their books, no matter what happens.

Seems like everywhere I go on this site whenever Geoff Johns name is mentioned, people start hating on the man as if he were a Nazi war criminal.

Oh please. I don't know what your definition of it is, but personally, i've never seen people "hating Geoff Johns as if he were a Nazi war criminal". I've seen people criticizing his work, though, which, for a lot of his fans, is pretty much the same thing as "hating".

Personally, i think he's written a lot of great stories, but at the same time, much like Grant Morrison, he's way overrated in the fanboy circles. And i certainly can see why. Especially in recent years, where he's gotten more powerful within DC, his stories seem to be more fucused on reshaping the DC Universe in the way he (and lots of "long time readers" who're probably a bit too "invested" in these characters) would like it to be than actually telling an entertaining story.

His constant "Events" have become nothing more than cheap gimmicks for big action blockbusters stories with very little substance or depth. Still, that would be okay, i guess, if it would at least be as accessible to new readers as they always try to sell it. But sadly, it's more like constant hommages to DCs 70 year long history than anything new, fresh or innovative. The problem is, he just writes for the people who're already life long comic book readers. And obviously, he does that very successfully. But with the way the market is right now, i don't think it is very clever to do that. Not to mention how the rest of DCs books are selling worse than ever because of all the attention DCs hype machine is constantly giving to the Johns books.

Another thing that dosn't sit right with lots of readers is the fact that whenever he takes over a title, he pretty much whipes out every important change that has happend within the last 25 years, just so he can finally write the characters the way he's read them when he was younger. Or at least that's what it seems like to a lot of people. And again, i really don't think that's neccarary in order to tell good stories.

So i can certainly see why some people don't act like most of the fan community when it comes to celebrating Geoff Johns as god's gift to Comics.

Anyway, i personally only really ever cared about reading something i can enjoy when i picked up a comic book. I've never considered myself a fan (or anti-fan) of a certain comic book writer. I liked Johns' early work, like his first Flash run, his JSA stuff, the Hawkman issues he co-wrote with James Robinson ect. But, like i said, the main pouprse of a lot of his recent comics seems to be to "fix" continuity and that's just not what i look for when i buy a comic book.

 

[JAK®]

I haven't been buying comics for even 10 years, and I love Geoff Johns' work.

 

[Orin]

Makes perfect sense, considering how Johns is pretty much eliminated everything that has happend within that time frame. t:

But seriously, the goal can't be to win back the hand full of former readers that are actually willing to get into comics again. What i think they should do is try to get a new generation of people to read comics by offering something fresh and new. And you just don't do that by changing things back to the way they were before. Or do you really expect kids today to relate to characters that are all portrayed as a bunch of clean shaven, short-haired, white 30 something 50s hero archetypes, who only substantially differ from each other by their power sets?

I mean, Comic Book movies are booming, but when i go to a comic book store, most people i see buying these books are middle aged. Same with the few Convention that are still mainly about the actual Comic Books. And that's not just a subjective impression. Just look at how the sales are declining and declining every mouth. It's not simpley a coincidence that there hasn't been a new boom period in ages. Seriously, all those people who've been preventing the Comic Book Industry from progressing for all this time, by complaining so much about every single thing that has changed from the way things used to be, need to realize that they and theie sensibilities isn't what these books should be written for if they're supposed to have a future.

Anyway, i think i'm getting a bit too much off topic here...

 

[Man of Steel]

Mostly people who are extremely pro-Wally and pro-Kyle.

Hey, I'm not anti-Johns and I'm still a Wally fan(then again, I hate Kyle, and am a huge Hal and John fan).

Yeah, there are a surprising amount of people who don't like good comics.

He may be good, but sometimes it seems like he can't let go of his childhood. The idea of Superman being Superboy died out during the Crisis on Infinite Earths.

That would be great. I was mulling over the same idea. Have Wally discover his powers at the end of the film. Maybe towards the end they run off as Flash and Kid Flash. That or have Kid Flash actually show up in costume at the beginning of the next film. Maybe Wally's powers are revealed during the climax where he actually has to save Barry or something.

Or while Barry is trying to keep his powers a secret throughout the movie Wally reveals that he knew who he was the whole time. That he could actually keep up with him and knows when he's speeding up. Maybe Barry tries the two places at once trick trying to play both Flash and himself and Wally points out that he can see him running out of the room and back in.

My idea for two movies:
First movie: A quick collection of flashbacks, showcasing Barry becoming the Flash, Wally getting his powers and becoming Kid Flash and Barry dying. Opening credits. Then, the movie is about the return of Zoom and Jay Garrick must convince Wally to take up his uncle's mantle and become the Flash. Wally/Flash and Hunter Zolomon defeat Zoom, but Zolomon loses his leg. Post-credits scene of Zolomon using the Cosmic Treadmill and gaining superspeed, as well as regenerating his leg(something I threw in)
Second movie: Wally receives an urgent message from the future and discovers that Barry is still alive, and the captive of the time lost Professor Zoom, who has been freed by the superpowered Zolomon. It would mainly focus on Hunter Zolomon's path to evil and the return of Barry.

 

[protocida]

Superman technically only was Superboy in the future, in order to inspire the Legion of Superheroes.

 

[Lone]

So I downloaded the shortlived Flash tv series and I seriously feel that even if WB are uncertain of the character's box office draw, it has great potential as a tv series especially considering how far we've come in SFX.

On a side note, I found it interesting that John Wesley Shipp had a very Ryan Reynolds-y vibe about him in the show.

 

[Panthro]

So I downloaded the shortlived Flash tv series and I seriously feel that even if WB are uncertain of the character's box office draw, it has great potential as a tv series especially considering how far we've come in SFX.

So true.

On a side note, I found it interesting that John Wesley Shipp had a very Ryan Reynolds-y vibe about him in the show.

I always found it funny that they cast a guy who looked like Hal Jordan to play Barry Allen.