The Official Flash Thread - Part 2

[Brian Braddock]

A lot of hate for these '*****e' actors I feel is because they remind them of the 'jocks' in high school who would beat them up.

So funny, charismatic, handsome and a bit immature? Yeah, the people on the internet are going to hate you.

Could be mate - I've literally had arguements with people on here because they've said they can tell he's a *****e by the way he smiles in photos.

Seriously, I'm not making that up.

 

[MMMMM...Pancakes]

I'd prefer to see Cooper as Guy Gardner instead of Barry. I still like the Matt Morrison suggestion, but I don't know if 'Glee' would get in the way.

Good Suggestion, I can definitely see him playing Guy Gardner.

 

[Octoberist]

People, don't pretend that some folks are 'insane' for thinking that Bradley Cooper looks like a *****e. Some people..have that face. There are some actors that some folks may not like due to the way they look. It doesn't mean Bradley's a bad actor at all.

In fact, in Alias, didn't he play a meek type? It wasn't until The Wedding Crasher where it left a certain impression on many people. And for a while, Cooper kinda played that same type of character b/c it works for him. So yeah, he has been somewhat typecast as the '*****e' and yes, he does kinda look like a *****e.

But I liked in 'Limitless'. That's why I think he needs to play 'the good guy' again,and I'm sure he can be a great Barry.

 

[MadVillainy]

A lot of hate for these '*****e' actors I feel is because they remind them of the 'jocks' in high school who would beat them up.

So funny, charismatic, handsome and a bit immature? Yeah, the people on the internet are going to hate you.

I think the same damn thing


but still I dont like Cooper for Barry

 

[terry78]

Some guys just have that smarmy, "yeah, I don't know you but I can already tell you ain't as clever as me" vibe.

Like yours truly.

 

[Timstuff]

Barry Allen (AKA Flash II): Bradley Cooper

Iris West Allen: Amy Smart

Wally West (AKA Flash III): Anton Yelchin

Linda Park: Jamie Chung

Hunter Zolomon (AKA Zoom): Alan Tudyk

Mark Mardon (AKA Weather Wizard): David Tennant

The way I see it, you can set up a pretty good movie that introduces the Barry and his family, with Weather Wizard as the main villain while setting up for the emergence of Zoom and Wally's turn as The Flash in a sequel. I'm typing up an outline of sorts that I can post later, if anyone is interested.

 

[Panthro]

I have an easier time seeing Alan Tudyk as Barry Allen than Bradley Cooper.

 

[Timstuff]

I just finished my latest paint-manip.

Bradley Cooper as Barry Allen, Amy Smart as Iris West Allen, Anton Yelchin as Wally West, Jamie Chung as Linda Park, and David Tennant as The Weather Wizard.

 

[MadVillainy]

Really nice painting. Not whole I would cast, but really good work

 

[flash13]

That is awesome!

 

[Green Ghost]

Not a fan of your choices (sorry) but nice drawing!

 

[Octoberist]

Call me ignorant, but why David Tennant as Weather Wizard? It's almost random.I think the tough thing about The Flash's rogues, as fun as they are, is that I can't figure out who to cast really b/c they haven't really been portrayed in other medium besides a few cameos in Justice League Unlimited and DC animated movies.

 

[Brian Braddock]

^^^ But for the same reason, why not David Tennant?

If he hasnt really been portrayed before, then there's nothing to compare it to that says he'd be wrong for the role. As it happens, I'd like to think that Timstuff chose Tennant because he's a good actor and, with the Fright Night remake looming, will have a bit of exposure to the GA (those not familiar with Dr Who) but not too much so as to overshadow things.

 

[Panthro]

I just finished my latest paint-manip.

Bradley Cooper as Barry Allen, Amy Smart as Iris West Allen, Anton Yelchin as Wally West, Jamie Chung as Linda Park, and David Tennant as The Weather Wizard.

Nicely done.

 

[Brian Braddock]

Looking at the costume in Timstuffs art makes me realise that the Flash is one of the few characters that can actually justify the whole 'skin-tight superhero costume' get up, given that you could say that it's something more akin to a high-tech sprinting outfit that you might see in athletics.

The tv shows said it was a protective outfit designed by S.T.A.R. labs for deep sea divers that can withstand extreme pressures/friction but I'm not sure they would need to go that far with it.

 

[JAK®]

The costume in the 90's TV show looks pretty good, it's just far too muscular. The Flash has a great costume, not many heroes can claim that a dated TV show costume doesn't look horrible today.

 

[The Morningstar]

Bradley Cooper has waaaay to much charisma and wit to be Barry Allen. He's more suited for Wally. Cooper playing Barry like he is in the comics would be taking away all the appeal of Cooper, making the casting choice redundant. You'd be getting a charismatic, witty and slightly obnoxious guy playing a down to earth, really friendly, but essentially dull, character

 

[HighFivingMF]

Bradley Cooper has waaaay to much charisma and wit to be Barry Allen. He's more suited for Wally. Cooper playing Barry like he is in the comics would be taking away all the appeal of Cooper, making the casting choice redundant. You'd be getting a charismatic, witty and slightly obnoxious guy playing a down to earth, really friendly, but essentially dull, character

Here we go again...

 

[The Morningstar]

What? It just doesn't make sense to me. Barry Allen is the kind of guy your parents would be happy that you're friends with. But would you go partying with him? Hell no...

Barry is the sensible, down to earth, good guy. Putting Cooper into a role like that would be wasting what Cooper has got going for him. Which is charisma, wit and an obnoxious attitude that's kinda charming. Those things are clearly more suited to Wally.

 

[JAK®]

Something tells me we'll be getting Barry Allen with the personality of Wally West anyway.

 

[Brian Braddock]

I can live with adaptions that stray from the source material slightly as long as they're done well. I mean, the TV show had someone called Jay as Barry's brother and I just accepted it - imagine if the internet of now was around back then.

Fanboys would have gone ballistic - ''how dare they???!!!!''

 

[lixdexia]

Something tells me we'll be getting Barry Allen with the personality of Wally West anyway.

is it the history of legacy dc characters in non comics media since 1990 being amalgamated into the iconic character 90% of the time?

 

[Brian Braddock]

The costume in the 90's TV show looks pretty good, it's just far too muscular. The Flash has a great costume, not many heroes can claim that a dated TV show costume doesn't look horrible today.

From the maker of the original suit, Robert Short:

'A Seamless Flash

I was no stranger to the character of the Flash when my agent called me about a meeting he had set up with the Danny Bilson and Paul De Meo, producers for a pilot for a Flash series. I had a full collection of comic's from the 60’s and had sporadically kept up with newer issues.

My initial reaction was; What can I bring to the party because they are just going to want a guy in spandex tights. That was my mind set until I sat down with the producers and they hit me with the fact that they wanted the character to look just like the comics. They knew it would take more than just a guy in tights. They showed me a redesign sketch drawn by Dave Stevens. who had created the Rocketteer. The cowl had been changed and the yellow removed from the design. When they asked if it could be done I said yes, of course. Then they added: Just like the comics......No seams. Though I said of course I found myself in the hall afterwards thinking “How the hell am I going to do that”!

It was this one request that shaped the entire development of the suit.

The one thing I did know was that we were going to have to break new ground. Unlike Tim Burton’s version of Batman we had no cape, no armor plating to fall back on and he would have to be able to turn his head. (if only we had Lucius Fox)

I did some preliminary design concepts which did not help the seam problem. My staff and I though around ideas but nothing stuck. Then my primary sculptor suggested flock. I got this vision of a superhero dressed as a snowy Christmas tree for a moment and then it sunk in. The stuff they coat automobile glove compartments with.

My staff, headed by Douglas Turner, dove into the research and came up with a local source for electro-static flocking, application guns and the adhesives.

At the same time we did a body cast of John Wesley Shipp, who would star as the Flash, and created a fiberglass replica of the actor to sculpt and tailor the suits over.

We tried coating all kinds of things with the flock but the main problem was that the factory approved adhesive was rigid. WE fell back on our make-up effects background and formulated a new adhesive for the flock based on a make-up adhesive.

Our original game plan was to build a foam rubber muscle under suit with a flock covered spandex suit over it. All that changed when we discovered that pieces of foam latex coated with only the flock were almost indestructible.

One of the things we did to stay true to the comic book was add bulk to the back of the cowl sculpture in order to achieve that pleasant rounded shape superheroes have to the back of their heads.

We then decided to leave the outer spandex skin off and treat the costume as a full body make-up appliance. This left us with a spandex undersuit which we would then cover with approximately 30 overlapping pieces of latex foam muscles, enabling us to fit the actor perfectly.

We used the fiberglass body form at first but it didn’t capture the exact form of the actor when moving so Mr. Shipp was gracious enough to come in and allow us to attach and overlap the pieces directly on him while wearing the spandex suit.

The flock we used was electro static which meant that the suit had to be electrically charged some how. We found that by filling the suit with aluminum foil we could conduct electricity though the surface of the suit in order for the fibers to stand up correctly.

We realized that in keeping with the theme of no seams we chose the waist blend as the easiest thing to conceal. We made the top half a pull over jacket with the hood attached. Latex gloves, sculpted with a slight natural curve to the fingers and lightning bolt trim, which were slipped on over the sleeves. The pants, which included the boots as part of the same sculpture, were pulled on and zipped around the waist of the jacket to complete the outfit. By having the boots as part of pants sculpture we could get away from the look of boots pulled over the pants. There were no bottoms to the boots, which allowed Shipp to wear comfortable sneakers. The bottom edges of the costumes “boots” were held in place by velcro to the side of the sneakers. The finishing touch was the hand cut high density foam belt that covered where the top and bottom sections zipped together. The golden colors used were a basic Krylon spray paint.

The cowl was glued to the actors face in order to transfer as much movement as we could. The ear wings were sculpted separately and glued onto the cowl. For close up beauty shots the #1 costume had rigid fast cast resin wings and for action sequences some of the lesser suits had urethane flexible foam wings.

The insignia was a separate sculpture and cast in flexible urethane closed cell foam which was then glued to the chest.

To help sell the musculature of the suit we gave it airbrushed shadowing to enhance it’s outline. Fortunately Mr. Shipp was well toned and worked out so the contours of the suit echoed the look of the actor.

We had a total of 8 suits (8.5 if you count the one shirt without the cowl) and the ability to completely strip them down to the bare foam latex and re coat them as they begin to show wear and tear. The early suit was cast in white foam but the later ones were cast with red pigment added to the foam at the mixing stage.

Originally we used a stock crimson colored flock but soon switched to a custom blended burgundy color, as requested by the producers.

Most of the time we also included a cool suit under the costume for the actors comfort. There was always an on set attendant who would disconnect the tubing before each shot.

One entire suit was destroyed for a scene where the Flash falls face first into a massive coating of the Trickster’s “bubble gum” made from mytholcel.

The blue suit created for the clone episode was one of the original 8 costumes recovered in blue flock and striped down afterwards and turned red again.'

 

[Octoberist]

What? It just doesn't make sense to me. Barry Allen is the kind of guy your parents would be happy that you're friends with. But would you go partying with him? Hell no...

Barry is the sensible, down to earth, good guy. Putting Cooper into a role like that would be wasting what Cooper has got going for him. Which is charisma, wit and an obnoxious attitude that's kinda charming. Those things are clearly more suited to Wally.

But he's being portrayed as a square in the comics now.

 

[Timstuff]

Bradley Cooper has waaaay to much charisma and wit to be Barry Allen. He's more suited for Wally. Cooper playing Barry like he is in the comics would be taking away all the appeal of Cooper, making the casting choice redundant. You'd be getting a charismatic, witty and slightly obnoxious guy playing a down to earth, really friendly, but essentially dull, character

That's the whole point. Barry is a kind of boring character and I think they should get someone who will bring some fun to the table. I like Wally better as a character but I am almost positive that Warner Bros. at this junction wants to start us off with Barry Allen. If we have to get a Barry movie they might as well make his character a bit more entertaining.