The Official Flash Thread - Part 2

[aNarcHy2day]

I don't get why there is even a debate on the color of Flash's costume!

Well, Spiderman almost wears the same thing. No one complained about him!
Daredevil wears red. And I thought his costume was alright in the movie. Affleck just didn't look convincing enough in that!

Flash has a good costume.I think a little modification in the style/ type/ material/ aesthetics of the costume would make it work quite easily without making an entirely different Superhero out of him!

 

[Airwings]

I don't get the "black = realistic/believable" mentality. Where does that even come from and why do people think that "works" or adds "believability"? Because it doesn't at all. It's a trend and fad if anything. "Most heroes on the screen where black, let's make everyone's costume black even though there isn't an ounce of black on it and the character's a good guy to boot". Besides, the guy's name is The FLASH in case you forgot, his suit is supposed to be flashey. Hell, look at Kick-Ass. Bright costumes, AND a kid sidekick! But it also works and people liked the movie. The Flash should be a cake walk.

Also, no normal person wears any of these suits. One is just as far fetched as the other. Nobody dresses like Batman or Cyclops in real life, so you can apply that to any character, even the ones you like.

You can't eff with The Flash's uniform. The red and gold suit is a must

chatterbot apparently doesn't "get" Flash. He's obsessed with getting him black for no other reason than the original suit is red. He claims that no bright color works in live action, but yet he says Spider-Man's does, and he admits he doesn't know why it works. Haha, that's a little too much already there.
Is he just trolling on us?

 

[chatterbot]

Man of Steel costume looks great.

X Men First Class, blue and yellow looked great.

Captain America (except for the helmet shape) was great.

Amazing Spiderman was great.

Red Flash will be fine.

There's many different materials to choose from so that it doesn't look like a man in a spandex halloween costume.

I already discussed superman. they changed the outfit a lot. the original costume is ridiculous.

x-men: for the most part they have no costumes. they are wearing special outfits for flying...so that is the explanation. in the original xmen the costumes r mostly black.

spiderman: the spider bite gave him a knack for knitting... in the first movie the costume comes from his ring fighting costume, which is why it is colorful.

the flash: listen. a straight american male is unlikely to wear that flaming red pajamas. i dislike the comic costume because i want the film to go for realism. if a real intelligent straight american male had superpowers, i just don't think he'd wear flaming red pajamas. it's just an opinion. if u don't agree then we have to agree to disagree. If I got superspeed, I'd probably wear something functional to hide my identity and to prevent more clothes from wearing out. It would probably be a dark color, not flaming red and yellow. u may have a different opinion, which i respect.

 

[FeedOnATreeFrog]

But what you're complaining about The Flash also applies to Man of Steel, the 'serious' movie. (or do you think Superman should be wearing black as well? I haven't read through the thread)

A guy in a tight primary coloured costume.

I don't see the difference.

Just picture the Man of steel costume, but Red.

Or there are other materials. Here's an example. Just picture a darker shade of red if it's too bright.

Spoiler

As for why he picks red; maybe there's a symbolic reason; maybe he just thinks it looks cool. Maybe he gets inspired by Superman, Green Lantern, etc, and wants a colour/symbol that isn't taken yet, red. This is The Flash we're talking about here. I wouldn't put it past him.

 

[lixdexia]

the flash: listen. a straight american male is unlikely to wear that flaming red pajamas. i dislike the comic costume because i want the film to go for realism. if a real intelligent straight american male had superpowers, i just don't think he'd wear flaming red pajamas. it's just an opinion. if u don't agree then we have to agree to disagree. If I got superspeed, I'd probably wear something functional to hide my identity and to prevent more clothes from wearing out. It would probably be a dark color, not flaming red and yellow. u may have a different opinion, which i respect.

as a straight american male, if i got superspeed i'd wear a leopard print onesie that emphasizes my junk. maybe with a jacket with a fur collar over top. and for a mask i'd just wear sunglasses, gotta keep the face showing for those endorsement deals.

 

[Kevin Smith]

Here is a fine example of a guy who doesn't know Barry Allen of the comics and thinks Wally West is the JL/JLU Flash, listen to this guy's letter about The Flash in Young Justice:

A Flash Fan writes...

Hello Greg,

My post got deleted, don't know why so I am trying to separate the questions from my post. Thanks for you time.

Here are the Flash questions/comments I promised, mainly centered on Barry Allen.

Your portrayal of the Barry Allen persona to me does not seem like the one I am familiar with in his appearances in the comics, from the Silver Age to his death on Crisis on Infinite Earths and even after his resurrection and into the New 52. To me he always seemed a calm and collective police scientist who had somewhat of Superman's persona in the pursuit of justice. Your version to me seems more like the Wally West persona, especially similar to the Justice League and JLU series of Bruce Timm. He seems more willing to joke around, his outbursts in the first episode of YJ, and his over-eagerness of the present in Mount Justice in the tie-in comic book are just some examples that lead me to this conclusion. So mainly I wanted to know where you drew inspiration for Barry Allen the Flash please. Please understand that I am not criticizing you; you're the creator and you have every right to adapt characters as you seem fit, but it has somewhat bugged me throughout the series. I am happy with the other Flashes though, and glad Kid Flash finally gets some spotlight in an animated series, plus "Bloodlines" was one of the greatest episodes ever!


Greg responds...

A lot of decisions are, I suppose, relativistic. That is, I can't have sixteen Justice Leaguers running around, all with the same intense, focused, personality. So I may take a kernel of something that I see in a character's LOOOONNNNNNGGGG history and develop that into something we can hang our hats (or cowls) upon.

For Barry, I think it's VERY safe to say that the Wally West of JL and JLU had pretty much NO influence on us. Cuz, you know, we were doing WALLY in the show too.

But Cary Bates, who wrote a huge chunk of Barry's adventures before Crisis on Infinite Earths, is one of my best friends, and he always made Barry a little goofy. A little bit of the boy scout, who still had that Flash fanboy in him, i.e. the guy who was inspired by Jay Garrick. We made that literal in our series... and we extended it into his personality. He likes catchphrases, even if he knows they make his wife and friends groan. He's a goody-two shoes and a happily married man and a scientist and a forensics expert and generally this slow, methodical but deeply honest guy, who likes his life and so is pretty at ease with his own sappiness.

He's NOT a smart-ass, which of course, Wally can be at times. And personally I don't think we portrayed him AT ALL like Wally.

But it's out there. If that's what you saw, we'll just have to agree to disagree.

http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?qid=18093

Greg was right on with everything he said. Barry's portrayal on Young Justice was pretty much how I always read him in the comics. I never saw Barry Allen as an "intense focused stuck up" dude like the author of that letter seems to imply, nor did I ever see him as an "idiot". I always read him as pretty easy going, friendly, and down to earth, with a good sense of humor. I think the New 52 Flash book captures that as well, so I don't get what the guy writing the letter's deal was. And Cary Bates wrote some great Flash stories. Happy to see him referenced.

 

[Airwings]

yeah, there must be something wrong with me since i have a different opinion from you.

chatterbot: I have been thinking, and I hope you don't feel sad bc we are against your opinion about the suit. I feel bad if you think it's personal.
Just write more posts about other sujects regarding the hero

this^
if you didn't see it, or did see it but decided to post your reply anyway and didn't care that your reply lost all its meaning bc of my quote above.

 

[Kevin Smith]

I already discussed superman. they changed the outfit a lot. the original costume is ridiculous.

They took away the red leotard, which Snyder insisted they keep but WB didn't want to. It's still a dude in tights and a cape so...what is your point exactly?

the flash: listen. a straight american male is unlikely to wear that flaming red pajamas. i dislike the comic costume because i want the film to go for realism. if a real intelligent straight american male had superpowers, i just don't think he'd wear flaming red pajamas. it's just an opinion. if u don't agree then we have to agree to disagree. If I got superspeed, I'd probably wear something functional to hide my identity and to prevent more clothes from wearing out. It would probably be a dark color, not flaming red and yellow. u may have a different opinion, which i respect.

The Flash wears a red and gold suit because he want to be noticed. He calls himself The Flash for crissakes. I don't see his suit any less or more "realistic" than any other comic book character's. The Flash's suit functions just fine too, btw. He has a police scanner in his earpiece among other things, and The Flash suit DOES protect his identity, which is why he designed it with a cowl, and it does protect his clothes from burning out. Sheesh.

 

[Kevin Smith]

I don't see the difference.

As for why he picks red; maybe there's a symbolic reason; maybe he just thinks it looks cool. Maybe he gets inspired by Superman, Green Lantern, etc, and wants a colour/symbol that isn't taken yet, red. This is The Flash we're talking about here. I wouldn't put it past him.

On the tv show he picked red because it had to do with blood or something if I remember correctly, and he set out to take down the biker gang that murdered his police officer brother, Jay (a tip of the hat to Jay Garrick in the comics).

I don't see why he can't wear it just because he likes it, kind of like Iron Man; "throw a little hot rod red in there". It's The Flash. He wears red and gold. I don't see what the problem is.

 

[cabel]

On the tv show he picked red because it had to do with blood or something if I remember correctly, and he set out to take down the biker gang that murdered his police officer brother, Jay (a tip of the hat to Jay Garrick in the comics).

I don't see why he can't wear it just because he likes it, kind of like Iron Man; "throw a little hot rod red in there". It's The Flash. He wears red and gold. I don't see what the problem is.

Actually, I think the material just happened to be red, but the gang's symbol was a blood spot so it worked out. He added the lightning bolt because he wanted his own symbol to scare them.

 

[Kevin Smith]

Actually, I think the material just happened to be red, but the gang's symbol was a blood spot so it worked out. He added the lightning bolt because he wanted his own symbol to scare them.

Oh yeah, that's right. Thanks dude. And that explanation works perfectly, the material the suit is made out of just happens to be red. Bam. Done. Man that show was pretty good for its time, I wish it would have ran longer than it did. Probably the best superhero tv show of all time, the The Incredible Hulk for me.

 

[Brian Braddock]

If memory served, it was a prototype Russian deepsea suit that was already red, but Barry said that he wanted to look like a vengeful demon or something [to Pikes gang], so the colour fitted.

Dont see why they cant come up with the same explanation - an experimental suit that just happens to be the colour red, which Barry mods to suit his needs. No explanation need be given to why the experimental suit was already red - it just was.

 

[Franny]

You couldn't change the colour of the costume! For goodness sake' it's iconic. Enough!!!

 

[Franny]

On that note. Next' Batman, lose the cape and cowl. Superman; Man of Steel 2' lose that crest/symbol. Green Lantern! Green's not in fashion, make him pink.

 

[Kevin Smith]

If memory served, it was a prototype Russian deepsea suit that was already red, but Barry said that he wanted to look like a vengeful demon or something [to Pikes gang], so the colour fitted.

Dont see why they cant come up with the same explanation - an experimental suit that just happens to be the colour red, which Barry mods to suit his needs. No explanation need be given to why the experimental suit was already red - it just was.

I think it'd be fine. Really don't see the problem here.

You couldn't change the colour of the costume! For goodness sake' it's iconic. Enough!!!

Damn right.

On that note. Next' Batman, lose the cape and cowl. Superman; Man of Steel 2' lose that crest/symbol. Green Lantern! Green's not in fashion, make him pink.

Oh hey, speaking of costume changes and new looks, here's another pic of The Reverse Flash from the New 52:

Takes some getting used to for me, but I think it's cool, only thing is I'd put more yellow where the red is in the chest and face areas particularly, but keep the red lightning as coming off of him like it always has, and change the symbol from yellow to red. But I suppose maybe it's more red and black than yellow and black to avoid him looking like a hornet maybe haha.

 

[terry78]

Pink Lantern is strictly showing his support for breast cancer research, obviously.

 

[Boy Scout]

The Reverse Flash looks cool in the comic, but I don't think his costume would translate very well to live-action (as is).

 

[Franny]

Maybe I could sell the idea of the Pink Lantern Corps to D.C?

 

[shauner111]

The suit will be a much darker red/orange. The suit will have the same make as Supermans in MOS. Count on it. Or close enough. It has to look like it belongs in the same universe. Where it's made for function instead of just throwing it on for the sake of it. Not saying it will be armor but it's going to make Barry look like a badass not a theatrical Olympic runner who's been dying to be a superhero.

I doubt the classic design will be changed or the colors, other than some darkening and adjustments here and there.

Green Lantern's will be the same thing. It will be a physical suit this time around and a little darker on the green. And Wonder Woman won't be wearing any damn pants.

 

[Kevin Smith]

The suit will be a much darker red/orange. The suit will have the same make as Supermans in MOS. Count on it. Or close enough. It has to look like it belongs in the same universe. Where it's made for function instead of just throwing it on for the sake of it. Not saying it will be armor but it's going to make Barry look like a badass not a theatrical Olympic runner who's been dying to be a superhero.

I doubt the classic design will be changed or the colors, other than some darkening and adjustments here and there.

Green Lantern's will be the same thing. It will be a physical suit this time around and a little darker on the green. And Wonder Woman won't be wearing any damn pants.

Long as they keep the overall look, the red & gold, and the symbol, and it is not "armor" or too busy like the GL suit (or both), then I am good with all of that. You sir are becoming my favorite person on this forum. Lol t:

 

[Franny]

What's that the Reverse-Flash is holding? Is it half a melon?

 

[ChickenScratch]

If memory served, it was a prototype Russian deepsea suit that was already red, but Barry said that he wanted to look like a vengeful demon or something [to Pikes gang], so the colour fitted.

Dont see why they cant come up with the same explanation - an experimental suit that just happens to be the colour red, which Barry mods to suit his needs. No explanation need be given to why the experimental suit was already red - it just was.

Yeah pretty much. It was a Russian experimental deep sea diving suit, had to be high visibility, Russian waters are deep. It formed to the body and then as Barry said in the episode "It seems to grip my body and expand it somehow." So the the exaggerated musculature was the suit working to regulate body temp, atmospheric pressure, friction. It was also filled with cooling tubes and electronics to monitor his body.

I love that TV show, the DVD box never leaves from next to the player. Pretty much throw it on all the time.

 

[Vaibow]

Long as they keep the overall look, the red & gold, and the symbol, and it is not "armor" or too busy like the GL suit (or both), then I am good with all of that. You sir are becoming my favorite person on this forum. Lol t:

I have read a few comics and graphic novels - i kinda feel like the flash should be Ryan Gosling - hear me out, the character he portrayed in Drive was quiet, determined and fully emmersed in his work. Picture that character, working in forensics for the police, totally devoted to his job, has a family life and comes off as socially akward at times - maybe in the fact he feels he doesn't fit in, he has wit and humour, but he would rather be working with his fellow work mates, on their level, than worrying about superficial things.

His suit, it could be a prototype - he would need something to earth the static energy, otherwise anythign he touches would be zapped, so a few copper wires along the seem, occassionally sparking would look awesome.

Bradley Cooper is another i think could nail the character - good looking, but not cocky, or realising

Flash movie could work, for sure

 

[FeedOnATreeFrog]

I think figuring out how to do the 'super speed' visually/tonally is more of a hurdle than the actor/costume.

 

[Kevin Smith]

I have read a few comics and graphic novels - i kinda feel like the flash should be Ryan Gosling - hear me out, the character he portrayed in Drive was quiet, determined and fully emmersed in his work. Picture that character, working in forensics for the police, totally devoted to his job, has a family life and comes off as socially akward at times - maybe in the fact he feels he doesn't fit in, he has wit and humour, but he would rather be working with his fellow work mates, on their level, than worrying about superficial things.

His suit, it could be a prototype - he would need something to earth the static energy, otherwise anythign he touches would be zapped, so a few copper wires along the seem, occassionally sparking would look awesome.

Bradley Cooper is another i think could nail the character - good looking, but not cocky, or realising

Flash movie could work, for sure

Ryan Gosling's been my number one choice for The Flash ever since the movie Fracture. He even does some forensics work in that, and Zoe Kazan, who was cast as Iris West in the Justice League: Mortal film from '09 that never took off played his coworker. Thought that was funny. Small hollywood world.