Comics The Official GAMBIT Discussion thread

[squeekness]

*is more hopeful now*

 

[The Infernal]

And Gambit really just doesn't "fit" into the X-Verse anymore. If he were popular enough to move into a mix-matched team somewhere else in the Marvel U it'd be great, but he hasn't had that kind of universal staying power since 95-96 or so.

I vote Gambit for Avengers. He might be better used there. They could even use Death-Gambit as a villain that they defeat, then recruit Gambit after they save him from himself.

 

[iamlegend]

I vote Gambit for Avengers. He might be better used there. They could even use Death-Gambit as a villain that they defeat, then recruit Gambit after they save him from himself.

He doesn't possess the raw power to be an Avenger, let alone the mass appeal anymore.

He'd be better suited in one of the smaller books that Marvel puts out each month with lesser-powered heroes and more localized, small-time plots and villains.

 

[The Infernal]

Being an Avenger never rested on raw power. Though I'll admit Gambit's credibility took a dive, they let people like Echo on the team, so it's not like it's an exclusive club.

Plus Gambit is a formidable charater with a decent power set and slick enough to get out of most situations with or without powers, not to mention that during his days as an x-man he has fought against the very type of threats that the Avengers face.

That and his personality type would be a good addition to the line-up.

 

[iamlegend]

Being an Avenger never rested on raw power. Though I'll admit Gambit's credibility took a dive, they let people like Echo on the team, so it's not like it's an exclusive club.

Plus Gambit is a formidable charater with a decent power set and slick enough to get out of most situations with or without powers, not to mention that during his days as an x-man he has fought against the very type of threats that the Avengers face.

That and his personality type would be a good addition to the line-up.

Eh. The Avengers at their core have always been heavy hitters, and they'll be going back to that format once Dark Reign wraps up. The street-level Avengers teams are going to go back into the background.

That, and Gambit would never fit in with the whole "Age of Heroes" bit that's going to be taking over mainstream Marvel. One plus side to the X-Verse is that it's so big Gambit can hide from major re-workings there.

 

[The Infernal]

I'm not gonna get into what you consider is the core of the team because that's clearly something that's subjective and the point was his power set being a reason for exclusion.

Though I might add that I'm not sure why you think that street level heroes are going to the background after Siege. I can't imagine they'd have Wolverine, Cap, Spider-man etc in the background. Especially in an Avengers comic.

As for Gambit in the heroic age. You could be right, I don't know. It depends how they handle potentially darker heroes. Then again they always have time for Wolverine regardless of what he does.

 

[squeekness]

Maybe they could add Death Gambit to X-Force. They could have an all time Death reunion with Arch Angel and Wolverine.

 

[iamlegend]

Maybe they could add Death Gambit to X-Force. They could have an all time Death reunion with Arch Angel and Wolverine.

Gambit in X-Force would be the ideal move... his character is best suited for black ops types stuff, he has a great skill set for that kind of job and has a mutant power that X-Force could use (the ability to blow up, well, anything and everything).

And since X-Force is darker he can get his balls back a bit.

Of course, it makes so much sense it won't happen. Though I guess we can dream... Maybe Yost will take a liking to him after his brief use of him.

 

[iamlegend]

I'm not gonna get into what you consider is the core of the team because that's clearly something that's subjective and the point was his power set being a reason for exclusion.

Though I might add that I'm not sure why you think that street level heroes are going to the background after Siege. I can't imagine they'd have Wolverine, Cap, Spider-man etc in the background. Especially in an Avengers comic.

As for Gambit in the heroic age. You could be right, I don't know. It depends how they handle potentially darker heroes. Then again they always have time for Wolverine regardless of what he does.

I just think that with Gambit not even in the upper tier of the X-Men anymore in terms of power he'd really be totally outclassed by, well, everyone that the Avengers run into on a daily basis. A "street level" Avengers team would tear any X-team to pieces (they're the All-Stars, so they should be able to do that).

As for Wolvie in the "heroic age"... They've softened his edges quite a bit over the years. He'll fit in just fine with a few more tweaks.

 

[The Infernal]

I just think that with Gambit not even in the upper tier of the X-Men anymore in terms of power he'd really be totally outclassed by, well, everyone that the Avengers run into on a daily basis. A "street level" Avengers team would tear any X-team to pieces (they're the All-Stars, so they should be able to do that).

As for Wolvie in the "heroic age"... They've softened his edges quite a bit over the years. He'll fit in just fine with a few more tweaks.

I see your point about being outclassed powerwise, but my opinion was that he could have played a similar role to Black Widow as a spy/thief character. Though I'm just dreaming here, I doubt Gambit's going to get any regular use anywhere unless they move ahead with his own movie. Though the Avengers do take on more grand villains, back in the day when Gambit was a regular, the x-men also took on similar villains with the Shiar, D'Ken etc. Though not so much anymore admittedly.

As for x-force. While it would be interesting to see him on that team, I just don't see him as voluntarily joining a hit squad. Though that's my impression of Gambit.

X-force itself though needs to either change its mission (i.e. No more killing) or get cancelled and the story dealt with in other books (i.e. the x-men finding out and Cyclops getting some heat for it).

 

[iamlegend]

I see your point about being outclassed powerwise, but my opinion was that he could have played a similar role to Black Widow as a spy/thief character. Though I'm just dreaming here, I doubt Gambit's going to get any regular use anywhere unless they move ahead with his own movie. Though the Avengers do take on more grand villains, back in the day when Gambit was a regular, the x-men also took on similar villains with the Shiar, D'Ken etc. Though not so much anymore admittedly.

As for x-force. While it would be interesting to see him on that team, I just don't see him as voluntarily joining a hit squad. Though that's my impression of Gambit.

X-force itself though needs to either change its mission (i.e. No more killing) or get cancelled and the story dealt with in other books (i.e. the x-men finding out and Cyclops getting some heat for it).

See, i don't mind the hit squad because it makes sense to me... The villains they fight warrant destuction. And X-Force handles that. Gambit's not as gritty as he once was, but they could certainly spin this whole Death saga as a reason for Gambit to wind up there. Maybe because he's become darker, maybe because he's so grief stricken about turning evil that he'll do anything to help the X-men.

 

[BoredGuy]

^^That's pretty much exactly how Warren ended up on the team.
Nobody ever woulda figured him for a hit squad, and Gambit starts out darker.


Also, I have to argue with the point that street-level avengers would beat any x-team.
If a full squad of the X-Men took on the New Avengers, I think Team X would wipe the floor with em. The X-men always have the psychic advantage...
(we'll say Wolvie sits it out, lol)

 

[The Infernal]

See, i don't mind the hit squad because it makes sense to me... The villains they fight warrant destuction. And X-Force handles that. Gambit's not as gritty as he once was, but they could certainly spin this whole Death saga as a reason for Gambit to wind up there. Maybe because he's become darker, maybe because he's so grief stricken about turning evil that he'll do anything to help the X-men.

See, I agree they warrant destruction, but that alone hasn't made them go against their beliefs for about forty years. Now while I think the fact that Cyclops sanctioned them but still at the same time pretends to stand for the same ideals the X-men were built on is a good storyline. I just think that the current incarnation goes against everything the x-men believe in.

As for Gambit, he's always going to be a kind hearted rogue to me (my interpretation at least). We've already had him trying to work with Apocalypse for the X-men because he wanted to do right by them, look how that happened.

I'm thinking that the only good way to have Gambit's character evolve is to have him set out on his own for a bit and discover what he wants for himself and not for anyone else (Rogue included).

 

[Havok83]

I miss Gambit. Is there any hope that he will make it out of Second Coming with something to actually do?

 

[squeekness]

We're just hoping he makes it out of Hellbound alive.

 

[iamlegend]

I miss Gambit. Is there any hope that he will make it out of Second Coming with something to actually do?

Carey has hinted a few times that he'll have something for Gambit this year, but it's hard to put stock in that. I guess we'll see something soon, unless they're just going to drop the Death Gambit return onbus out of nowhere in Second Coming. A little explanation would be nice.

 

[The Infernal]

Well at least we know where to look for Gambit from now on. Plus for all those who have had it with the Rogue/Gambit will they/won't they shtick, it looks like so far she's not on the team.

Plus Vamp Jubilee looks cool.

 

[sniktsnakt]

I would love to have Gambit's issues addressed. He's been angsting in the background for too long; who knows what's going on with him?

 

[The Infernal]

Agreed. I want some resolution. I think it's a shame that the last good Gambit story was the 'trial of Gambit'. At least for many it is.

 

[sniktsnakt]

And it didn't even have a good ending. That was when they all left him in Australia, right?

When was that, anyway? Mid-90s?

 

[iamlegend]

And it didn't even have a good ending. That was when they all left him in Australia, right?

When was that, anyway? Mid-90s?

Yep, mid 90s. They left him in Antartica, though. Whole plot made no sense, and the team that left him to die faced no repercussions. And no X-Man ever thought to wonder where he went. Awful conclusion to a contrived story.

 

[sniktsnakt]

Whoa. Yeah, I meant Antarctica. How in the world did I mix those up?

Must be finals week.

 

[squeekness]

Well we know Gambit makes it out of Hellbound long enough to become embroiled in the next Marvel event -- vrs Vampires!

 

[iamlegend]

Well we know Gambit makes it out of Hellbound long enough to become embroiled in the next Marvel event -- vrs Vampires!

I'm not entirely in the loop on the whole X-Men/Vampires thing they're pulling together just yet... What are the full details?

And on a side note, I'd hope that if the X-Men do cross path with Vampires/Vampire related characters the writers remember that Gambit and Blade have met/worked together before.

 

[squeekness]

It was only just announced so we don't any full details yet. This is a July event.