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[Slant]

Gambit's also supposed to be appearing in the Legacy side of the "Necrosha" crossover.

Which basically probably boils down to something happening to Rogue and Gambit witnessing it.

 

[iamlegend]

Gambit's also supposed to be appearing in the Legacy side of the "Necrosha" crossover.

Which basically probably boils down to something happening to Rogue and Gambit witnessing it.

Well she's got to put him out on his rear eventually. Carey will likely use this time to find a reason for Rogue to get angry at Gambit again, and toss him out.

 

[Slant]

He doesn't seem committed to doing anything like that though. I mean, he had all the ammo with Gambit due to the Horseman and Marauder thing. But after 200 Gambit's been so damned nice.

It'll be something vague like its been this entire time, kinda like they're halfway together or something. Just like their last two reunions.

 

[katie_girl09]

He's also in Forever, sorta. He's been mostly vanilla so far, but it's Claremont so that's not much of a surprise.

Um... Isn't Claremont the one who *created* Gambit and made him the awesome character that we love? How would it not be a surprise that he isn't well-written?

I know you hate Claremont, but c'mon!

 

[squeekness]

Nope. Claremont created him, sure, but it wasn't until someone else took over that Gambit's popularity really took off. CC had nothing to do with Gambit's involvement with the Guilds or the Massacre, the two things that made Gambit so much more three dimensional.

 

[katie_girl09]

Nope. Claremont created him, sure, but it wasn't until someone else took over that Gambit's popularity really took off. CC had nothing to do with Gambit's involvement with the Guilds or the Massacre, the two things that made Gambit so much more three dimensional.

But he laid the foundation of Gambit's character. In the first couple of issues of X-men, even his very first appearance in the Marvel universe, we got the feel of his personality. This is what the other writers after ran with - the groundwork the he created. He made him the smooth and charismatic character that we all know. Without CC there wouldn't even be a Gambit. And considering the fact that CC quit shortly after the launch of the 2nd X-men series, it is pretty unfair to say that his Gambit lacked depth. He didn't even have the opportunity to develop him! Again, I know you don't really like CC, but at least give credit where its due.

 

[iamlegend]

Nope. Claremont created him, sure, but it wasn't until someone else took over that Gambit's popularity really took off. CC had nothing to do with Gambit's involvement with the Guilds or the Massacre, the two things that made Gambit so much more three dimensional.

I think Katie's right on this one, Squeek.

Claremont and Lee really gave birth to the finest Gambit characterization in his 19 odd years of existence.

While the guild and the massacre (which I know you like, but I never really did, because of how poorly it was handled) certainly gave Gambit the richer backstory that Claremont never provided, the very core of the character was always at its finest during Claremont's first run on the character.

 

[squeekness]

I disagree. Before the Guilds were introduced, what was Gambit really? A Cajun thief who ran into Storm by accident. He was a little sneaky and shady but not much else. Heck, we didn't even know his name until Sabes tossed it out after CC left and that alone created an ah-ha moment. That one moment created the question -- well, just how did Sabes know Remy anyhow? That led to Paris, which led to the Massacre and all that fun stuff. It wasn't until those moments that Gambit really got my attention.

 

[iamlegend]

I disagree. Before the Guilds were introduced, what was Gambit really? A Cajun thief who ran into Storm by accident. He was a little sneaky and shady but not much else. Heck, we didn't even know his name until Sabes tossed it out after CC left and that alone created an ah-ha moment. That one moment created the question -- well, just how did Sabes know Remy anyhow? That led to Paris, which led to the Massacre and all that fun stuff. It wasn't until those moments that Gambit really got my attention.

To each his own, I suppose. But I liked the slow build-up to everything, and the Massacre itself kind of let me down, because all the big secret turned out to be was a poorly executed retcon.

What I mean is that I like how Gambit's character acted when Claremont had him. He was smart, conniving, funny and looking out for himself. Hell, in those days he and Rogue actually really worked out! Claremont, at least then, wrote the best Gambit and Rogue in history.

And then the Massacre happened, and Gambit's character started to fray. He slowly started becoming a stripped down version of what he once was... and now he's nothing, almost.

 

[katie_girl09]

I disagree. Before the Guilds were introduced, what was Gambit really? A Cajun thief who ran into Storm by accident. He was a little sneaky and shady but not much else. Heck, we didn't even know his name until Sabes tossed it out after CC left and that alone created an ah-ha moment. That one moment created the question -- well, just how did Sabes know Remy anyhow? That led to Paris, which led to the Massacre and all that fun stuff. It wasn't until those moments that Gambit really got my attention.

Maybe that's when Gambit got your attention, but he was always the slippery charmer right from his creation by CC. Like I said, the other writers just took what CC wrote and ran with it after he was gone.

 

[Neptune]

To each his own, I suppose. But I liked the slow build-up to everything, and the Massacre itself kind of let me down, because all the big secret turned out to be was a poorly executed retcon.

What I mean is that I like how Gambit's character acted when Claremont had him. He was smart, conniving, funny and looking out for himself. Hell, in those days he and Rogue actually really worked out! Claremont, at least then, wrote the best Gambit and Rogue in history.

And then the Massacre happened, and Gambit's character started to fray. He slowly started becoming a stripped down version of what he once was... and now he's nothing, almost.

Agreed! Claremont's Gambit back then was perfect. Gambit's involvement in the massacre would have been better if he knew what was going to happen to the Morlocks but he led the Marauders into the tunnels anyway.

 

[Havok83]

I disagree. Before the Guilds were introduced, what was Gambit really? A Cajun thief who ran into Storm by accident. He was a little sneaky and shady but not much else. Heck, we didn't even know his name until Sabes tossed it out after CC left and that alone created an ah-ha moment. That one moment created the question -- well, just how did Sabes know Remy anyhow? That led to Paris, which led to the Massacre and all that fun stuff. It wasn't until those moments that Gambit really got my attention.

The Mutant Massacre was by far the worst thing to happen to his character. He went downhill after that and has never recovered

 

[GambitXremy]

The Mutant Massacre was by far the worst thing to happen to his character. He went downhill after that and has never recovered

Ya they should have kept that part more under wraps for longer

 

[squeekness]

I don't know that the Massacre was such a bad thing to happen to him. When folks were polled as to waht they wanted to see in a Gambit solo, the whole Sinister/Morlock thing had the most votes. Someone else liked that idea besides me....

 

[GambitXremy]

i think they should have kept Gambit more mysterious kinda like they did with wolverine

 

[squeekness]

Not much mystery about Logan these days either.

 

[Havok83]

I don't know that the Massacre was such a bad thing to happen to him. When folks were polled as to waht they wanted to see in a Gambit solo, the whole Sinister/Morlock thing had the most votes. Someone else liked that idea besides me....

What people wanted and what actually happened are two different things. Aside from Claremont, post-Massacre reveal no writer was really invested in writing for Gambit in the X-men. He's either been pushed to limbo or written horribly over here. Alot of things done with him have felt forced and for me at leas, he really hasnt fit in with the X-men. What did the Massacre reveal do for him? Didnt add much for his character as he was quickly written out when it was revealed and it wasnt explored when he returned. It had potential but Marvel botched it

 

[katie_girl09]

i think they should have kept Gambit more mysterious kinda like they did with wolverine

I don't see what's so mysterious about Wolverine these days.

 

[Neptune]

He mysteriously appears in every Marvel comic.

 

[squeekness]

What people wanted and what actually happened are two different things. Aside from Claremont, post-Massacre reveal no writer was really invested in writing for Gambit in the X-men. He's either been pushed to limbo or written horribly over here. Alot of things done with him have felt forced and for me at leas, he really hasnt fit in with the X-men. What did the Massacre reveal do for him? Didnt add much for his character as he was quickly written out when it was revealed and it wasnt explored when he returned. It had potential but Marvel botched it

I think the Massacre revealed a lot about his character or his personality at least. We learned that he wasn't so carefree and cold and hard as he might seem. Of all the Marauders, he was the only one to show or feel any remorse. That says a lot about him. Yeah, he screwed up here and there, but he's not a total ass. I liked that a lot about him. He wasn 't just another smart mouthed punk.

 

[katie_girl09]

He mysteriously appears in every Marvel comic.

Yes. I stand corrected. That much is still mysterious.

 

[Havok83]

I think the Massacre revealed a lot about his character or his personality at least. We learned that he wasn't so carefree and cold and hard as he might seem. Of all the Marauders, he was the only one to show or feel any remorse. That says a lot about him. Yeah, he screwed up here and there, but he's not a total ass. I liked that a lot about him. He wasn 't just another smart mouthed punk.

I actually think that was the problem. They should have had him more cold about it when it happened. They tried to play him up as the good guy, remorseful and all while he led the Maurarders into the tunnels. It was as if they were scared of showing a dark side of him. It would have added more to his character to not shy away from that and truly show the ugly side of who Gambit used to be and who he had become. From what was written, I really didnt see much of a difference between Gambit during the Massacre and the one from the late 90s. And then there was Rogue and the X-men turning on him treating him like an enemy and that all being erased the minute he returned, without any sort of redemption story or fallout from what was revealed and their immediate reactions to it. When Gambit returned it was as if nothing happened from both sides.

 

[Neptune]

I actually think that was the problem. They should have had him more cold about it when it happened. They tried to play him up as the good guy, remorseful and all while he led the Maurarders into the tunnels. It was as if they were scared of showing a dark side of him. It would have added more to his character to not shy away from that and truly show the ugly side of who Gambit used to be and who he had become. From what was written, I really didnt see much of a difference between Gambit during the Massacre and the one from the late 90s. And then there was Rogue and the X-men turning on him treating him like an enemy and that all being erased the minute he returned, without any sort of redemption story or fallout from what was revealed and their immediate reactions to it. When Gambit returned it was as if nothing happened from both sides.

Agreed! They wanted him to seem bad without actually making him bad.

 

[katie_girl09]

Did anyone pick up the Genext with Gambit in it? Was it any good? I didn't get to pick it up.

 

[iamlegend]

Agreed! They wanted him to seem bad without actually making him bad.

The better pre-Gambit X-Men story was always his little jaunt in Paris with Sabretooth. It covered every side of the character, good and bad. And the bitter ending and Gambit's decisions showcased the character's conflict, but ultimate frame of mind (at that point) much more effectively.

The massacre really made Gambit out to be a fool. I mean, he assembled a crack death-squad, led them into some tunnels, and assumed what was going to happen? What in the hell could you possibly take a death-squad anywhere for, if not to cause... well... death?