The Avengers The Official 'Hulk in Avengers' thread.

[terry78]

As in the comics, should it be apparent to the audience that the Hulk is rampaging for a somewhat valid reason, or should we be just as in the dark as the Avengers are until they finally discover the real reason?

 

[Drakon]

That's a good question, because on one hand, validation would help us relate to him more, and being in the dark would somewhat villianize him, which could hurt his chances at another solo movie. On the other, keeping everyone in the dark, would be suspenseful, and fewer people would be tempted to leave the seat.

 

[Ahura Mazda]

He has to be shown to be heroic in the end. The ending of TIH shows Savage finally coming to the fore and being more a force for good as he can now be directed.

 

[FrostBite]

Let us not forget though, this is an uncontrollable beast. Just because Banner has gotten some control over the beast I don't want to see a completely heroic Hulk. I want to see Banner struggling to hold onto his influence, and in the end Hulk not being exactly one of the good guys.

Don't get me wrong, I want him to be heroic, I want him to stand up for what is right and take down the bad guys. I do not want a villainous Hulk. But I do however want an outcast, a character the others won't exactly trust, and one that they may not be able to control.

I just don't want him striking a heroic pose and high-fiving Captain America. I want to see a Hulk that when Banner loses his influence (as he should at some point) in the heat of battle he becomes a force that not just the enemies fear, but also his teammates.

Let's not forget, Hulk almost overcame Banner's influence to kill Abomination, if it were not for Betty's interference he would have probably strangled him too death. Banner needs to be the good guy, Hulk needs to be the beast he tries to harness--if we eliminate that by giving Banner too much control then his inner struggle is obsolete, and we no longer care about him... he'd just be a big strong guy.

 

[Daredevil_2003]

I like that...I say have him be the lynchpin in the Avengers beating out the main baddie, but have Banner lose control and the team has to stop Hulk from destroying everything. It's like the ending to the Ultimate Avengers movie. Say what you want about the rest, but that end battle was awesome.

 

[FrostBite]

I like that...I say have him be the lynchpin in the Avengers beating out the main baddie, but have Banner lose control and the team has to stop Hulk from destroying everything. It's like the ending to the Ultimate Avengers movie. Say what you want about the rest, but that end battle was awesome.

I love that movie (and it's sequel) actually. The end Battle was fantastic, a Hulk fan's wet dream as he stole the mother freakin' show.

I am afraid with many of the other characters probably going to have more successful movies due to (most likely) much better marketing and not having Iron Man 2 to compete with... that Hulk's going to get over looked in this movie. I am very afraid he'll just be turned into "the guy who smashes things occasionally" or "the guy they stop to join forces" instead of showing a real relationship with Banner and the others.

It's going to be a very hard balancing act, but my guess is Stark or Rogers are going to end up becoming the "focus" much like Wolverine in the X-men movies and our beloved Hulk is going to be nothing more than Storm (yeah, not even getting a Cyclops treatment .)

 

[marcvader]

I don't want anyone stealing any show. I'd hate it if this became x-men like. This better be a team effort with no one getting wolverine treatment. This movie should be different in that everyone gets equal glory as this is a team movie and not a solo movie with a bunch of supporting heroes. This is the Avengers not the X-men. Thank god FOX isn't making this.

 

[strikezone89]

Let us not forget though, this is an uncontrollable beast. Just because Banner has gotten some control over the beast I don't want to see a completely heroic Hulk. I want to see Banner struggling to hold onto his influence, and in the end Hulk not being exactly one of the good guys.

Don't get me wrong, I want him to be heroic, I want him to stand up for what is right and take down the bad guys. I do not want a villainous Hulk. But I do however want an outcast, a character the others won't exactly trust, and one that they may not be able to control.

I just don't want him striking a heroic pose and high-fiving Captain America. I want to see a Hulk that when Banner loses his influence (as he should at some point) in the heat of battle he becomes a force that not just the enemies fear, but also his teammates.

Let's not forget, Hulk almost overcame Banner's influence to kill Abomination, if it were not for Betty's interference he would have probably strangled him too death. Banner needs to be the good guy, Hulk needs to be the beast he tries to harness--if we eliminate that by giving Banner too much control then his inner struggle is obsolete, and we no longer care about him... he'd just be a big strong guy.

I havent watched the movie for a while but didnt he crush abominations chest with his foot after betty told him to stop strangling him?

 

[FrostBite]

I havent watched the movie for a while but didnt he crush abominations chest with his foot after betty told him to stop strangling him?

Pretty much, the big guy stomps on his chest, looks up to the air and roars... total "strongest one there is" moment right there. Then looks at Ross, kicks the body over to him, and gives him that "look at what you did" look.

 

[Changeling]

Yet, not NEARLY as "gay" as a grown man hanging out in a cave with young boys in shortpants, hmmm?

Come on, man. You gotta be kiding me. Can you tell me how much the Dark Knight made? And how much did TIH make? Well we can obviously see that comes out on top, but Bats seems much more popular with moviegoers/comic fans.

Hulk is awesome though, and definitely not "ggggggggaaaaaaaayyyyyyyy" as another poster said, but no one trumps Bats.

 

[FrostBite]

Come on, man. You gotta be kiding me. Can you tell me how much the Dark Knight made? And how much did TIH make? Well we can obviously see that comes out on top, but Bats seems much more popular with moviegoers/comic fans.

Hulk is awesome though, and definitely not "ggggggggaaaaaaaayyyyyyyy" as another poster said, but no one trumps Bats.

A lot of characters trump Bats in my opinion, but Bats is definitely more universal.

Still, I think it was just a joke .

 

[Drakon]

Batman has also been in the non-comic light for many years before Hulk.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

even before hulk had his show.

 

[co2]

Marvel seems to be trying to please the fans as of late. If the Superhero Hype boards are any indication, if A) Hulk isn't showcased well in Avengers and B) Norton isn't in the role, there will be some very disapointed fans.
They had better do right by Hulk on this one.

IronMan has been established as very cool, Thor will be fun, and sure, I can't wait for Cap...but having Hulk in action against some mammoth threat is what I'm aching to see in this movie. I have a feeling that Cap is going to be the star of this movie....but Hulk is going to steal the show.

 

[Judson Caspian]

Marvel expected it to do well as IM
but how could it when it was so under advertised

Yes. It's their own fault it did poorly at the box office.

 

[weezerspider]

If Norton is not in it, Banner should be HULKED-OUT the entire film. There are other characters in The Avengers to tell the story, theres no need for Banner.

 

[FrostBite]

If Norton is not in it, Banner should be HULKED-OUT the entire film. There are other characters in The Avengers to tell the story, theres no need for Banner.

It's no offense to you as we are all allowed to think what we want and I am not specifically calling you out--but I still think this is one of the worst ideas I've ever heard.

This would mean either:

A) Hulk is barely in it except for to smash crap. (Yay. )

or

B) We get a walking talking Hulk running around completely controlled by Banner and completely killing any little conflict for his character. That's it. Hulk/Banner is essentially God at this point. He can control it, he can't be stopped, bad guys lose. (Yippee.)

and most definitely

C) You are asking us to stare at just a computer generated character for the entire movie. As if Hulk in both '03 and '08 didn't have consistency issues in the first place. (As did Dr. Manhattan in Watchmen.)

No... just no. Recast the guy if you can't get him, but to throw out the character, the heart and soul of the Hulk/Banner relationship by completely eliminating Banner from the mix is just a terrible idea to me.

This movie needs to be a story about all of the Avengers and their interactions with each other... not "Lolz, let's throw a bunch of heroes in there just for the fun of it!" Hulk needs a reason to be there, he needs a conflict (or to cause one), he needs a purpose. As someone else said, don't let this become an X-men with one or two stars and the others just being extended cameos.

 

[Obi-Ron]

Basically have them attempt to locate him for supposed "containment" via Thunderbolt, Fury and Stark, have a good 4-5 minute battle ensue, then have something happen, like a civilain in danger that Hulk rescues or someone actually realizing that he's just acting defensively, then the rest of the team discovers he's not really a monster, and then just have him come on board in some fashion. But during the course of the flick Hulk never fully trusts them and vice versa until the end when they end up saving each other's asses.

Make it Rick Jones and we're golden. He can befriend Cap like in the old days, or start up a modern (internet?) version of the Teen Brigade.

 

[Ahura Mazda]

Is Rick Jones still available to Marvel or have they not recuperated the movie rights to the character yet?

 

[Obi-Ron]

"Recuperated" from what exactly? The only movie property I ever heard of him being attached to was Captain America (years ago), that would clearly be a moot point now.

 

[Ahura Mazda]

I was not sure but i had thought they had sold him on some Captain Marvel deal to one studio or another. If he still belongs to Marvel then it would be great for him to make an appearance even though I could live with him not being there.

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

Come on, man. You gotta be kiding me. Can you tell me how much the Dark Knight made? And how much did TIH make? Well we can obviously see that comes out on top, but Bats seems much more popular with moviegoers/comic fans.

Hulk is awesome though, and definitely not "ggggggggaaaaaaaayyyyyyyy" as another poster said, but no one trumps Bats.

What does any of that have to do with my statement? I find it somewhat ironic that a fan of Batman has the nerve to refer to any other character as "gay" when the character of Batman has been investigated several times in the past as promoting homosexuality. I personally could care less one way or another, but it just humors me when i see stuff like that from an obvious Bat-fan. You need to bone up on your Bat-history. Why don't you look into the reasons why Batwoman and Batgirl were added to the supporting cast, or why Alfred was replaced with Aunt Harriet, and THEN come see me, m'kay?

 

[Voorhees]

I find the Hulk to be just as good a character as Batman, and even though TDK is better than TIH, just because it made more money isn't the reason why it's better. People tend to confuse money with quality. If a movie makes a bunch of money it's instantly good, or if it somewhat flops or doesn't make a tremendous amount it's a crappy movie.

As far as the Hulk being in the Avengers movie is concerned, I'd like him to have a huge role, but not be too involved so that it's nearly like it's his movie and not everyone's.

 

[Rock Sexton]

It's no offense to you as we are all allowed to think what we want and I am not specifically calling you out--but I still think this is one of the worst ideas I've ever heard.

This would mean either:

A) Hulk is barely in it except for to smash crap. (Yay. )

or

B) We get a walking talking Hulk running around completely controlled by Banner and completely killing any little conflict for his character. That's it. Hulk/Banner is essentially God at this point. He can control it, he can't be stopped, bad guys lose. (Yippee.)

and most definitely

C) You are asking us to stare at just a computer generated character for the entire movie. As if Hulk in both '03 and '08 didn't have consistency issues in the first place. (As did Dr. Manhattan in Watchmen.)

No... just no. Recast the guy if you can't get him, but to throw out the character, the heart and soul of the Hulk/Banner relationship by completely eliminating Banner from the mix is just a terrible idea to me.

This movie needs to be a story about all of the Avengers and their interactions with each other... not "Lolz, let's throw a bunch of heroes in there just for the fun of it!" Hulk needs a reason to be there, he needs a conflict (or to cause one), he needs a purpose. As someone else said, don't let this become an X-men with one or two stars and the others just being extended cameos.

Ehhhhhhhhh not exactly.

Nobody is saying have him hulked out the entire film. He could be placed very strategically.....but obviously that would mean a limited capacity role. In a film with as many heroes as they have, I don't really even think it's that big of an issue if he doesn't have a big role.....just enough to incorporate him.

 

[Voorhees]

He doesn't have to have a huge role, just something to do. I'd love it if he were Hulked out the entire time, but if he's not, no big deal.