The Avengers The Official 'Hulk in Avengers' thread.

[Gamma Goliath]

It's a collaboration from what I understand; where as, Marvel will do the film and Sony will distribute it.

I think its still with sony dude, the 2012 movie as far as we know is a mystery, we've known about venom for a while now.

 

[Spider-Vader]

Like can you imagine Hulk ordering Iron Man to do something to take out a threat but calls him "Metal Man". Iron Man quickly tries to correct Hulk by saying "it is actually Iron Man" and Hulk just gets angry and roars "Metal Man" to Iron Man. Then Iron Man replies, "Metal Man it is!"

LOL. That would be awesome.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

That's near perfection.

 

[dcHulk]

I haven't seen TIH in Blu-Ray but I have heard that it is very impressive and that the CGI looks amazing. But surely if the CGI of the film looks so good on Blu-Ray then it should have looked amazing in cinemas. If the CGI is brilliant then it will look brilliant in cinemas, TV, DVD or Blu-Ray. The only differences would be is that Blu-Ray would have more picture detail.

Not necessarily, it depends on the technology available at the theater. I saw TIH twice, in two different cinemas. The first time, it was a "traditional" cinema without recent digital upgrades. I say this because I went to another cinema that hoisted a DLP projection system, and the picture was much cleaner. Not only did the Hulk look better, but other scenes looked better in general. For example, in the beginning as the camera pans through the Brazilian faveola, the "traditional" theater presented significant blurring of the picture. In the DLP theater, the blurring was reduced. This has to do with the video refreshing (cycle frequency) rate. However, for the blue ray on an HDTV with 120Hz refreshing rate, this blur is gone. For the Hulk, the details are significantly enhanced making him look more real, at least to me it does.

Thing is, if it is TIH2 then the film will not perform well in 2012 because The Avengers will also be released in that same year. Avengers is Marvel's main goal and top project so it will be marketed like crazy and TIH2 will have poor marketing just like TIH did when Iron Man came out.

So I reckon it will be a small film, nothing big from Marvel apart from The Avengers in 2012.

You make a good point.

 

[FaT_tONle]

Marvel should make another splash in 2012. Nothing big like an Avengers character, but something that can hold it's own. It shouldn't be the Runaways, or Power Pack, or some project nobody will care about. It should be a major comic book character(s). I am thinking Black Panther, Dr. Strange, or Heroes for Hire. A SHIELD movie won't be ready because most of the characters to be featured will almost certainly have some kind of role in Avengers, making it impossible to schedule in the same year. Also, if they want to work with property currently owned by another studio they should do that as well, so FF3, DD, DP, SS, Venom are options, but they are really last resorts and something I would least consider.

 

[Kirmit]

I haven't seen TIH in Blu-Ray but I have heard that it is very impressive and that the CGI looks amazing. But surely if the CGI of the film looks so good on Blu-Ray then it should have looked amazing in cinemas. If the CGI is brilliant then it will look brilliant in cinemas, TV, DVD or Blu-Ray. The only differences would be is that Blu-Ray would have more picture detail.

All I can say is check out the bluray for yourself, you'll see there is a noticable differnce.

 

[Sarg92]

Not necessarily, it depends on the technology available at the theater. I saw TIH twice, in two different cinemas. The first time, it was a "traditional" cinema without recent digital upgrades. I say this because I went to another cinema that hoisted a DLP projection system, and the picture was much cleaner. Not only did the Hulk look better, but other scenes looked better in general. For example, in the beginning as the camera pans through the Brazilian faveola, the "traditional" theater presented significant blurring of the picture. In the DLP theater, the blurring was reduced. This has to do with the video refreshing (cycle frequency) rate. However, for the blue ray on an HDTV with 120Hz refreshing rate, this blur is gone. For the Hulk, the details are significantly enhanced making him look more real, at least to me it does.

All I can say is check out the bluray for yourself, you'll see there is a noticable differnce.

I agree with you both that Hulk will obviously look better on Blu-Ray. I know there is a big difference in picture quality between Blu-Ray and DVD. But the point I am trying to get across is that if the CGI by R&H of Hulk is so good then it shouldn't matter what format you watch the film on. Hulk should appear real.

An example is, Peter Jackson's King Kong or Transformers. The CGI characters look impressive and real in cinemas, TV, DVD and Blu-Ray. It doesn't matter whichever format you watch the characters on, they will look real no matter what. But of course, Blu-Ray will be much more impressive.

But I am not trying to pick faults with the CGI in TIH because I thought it was great but it wasn't brilliant and it certainly didn't push the boundaries of CGI.

 

[terry78]

TIH's CG work was either really good at times or sometimes just passable. The cave scene where he's protecting Betty from the storm was excellent work..extremely well done. The scene when he protects her from the copter crash and carries her off looking accusingly at Ross...well done. The Blonsky fight...meh.

 

[dcHulk]

I agree with you both that Hulk will obviously look better on Blu-Ray. I know there is a big difference in picture quality between Blu-Ray and DVD. But the point I am trying to get across is that if the CGI by R&H of Hulk is so good then it shouldn't matter what format you watch the film on. Hulk should appear real.

An example is, Peter Jackson's King Kong or Transformers. The CGI characters look impressive and real in cinemas, TV, DVD and Blu-Ray. It doesn't matter whichever format you watch the characters on, they will look real no matter what. But of course, Blu-Ray will be much more impressive.

But I am not trying to pick faults with the CGI in TIH because I thought it was great but it wasn't brilliant and it certainly didn't push the boundaries of CGI.

Ah, I understand what you mean now.

 

[dcHulk]

TIH's CG work was either really good at times or sometimes just passable. The cave scene where he's protecting Betty from the storm was excellent work..extremely well done. The scene when he protects her from the copter crash and carries her off looking accusingly at Ross...well done. The Blonsky fight...meh.

Yes there were some obvious parts that could have been better. In general, the CGI was well done. But I think that Marvel, mistakenly, sacrificed quality of CGI (for specific scenes, like the final fight) for the sake of meeting the release deadline.

 

[Sarg92]

But I think that Marvel, mistakenly, sacrificed quality of CGI (for specific scenes, like the final fight) for the sake of meeting the release deadline.

That is true.

R&H were rushed by Marvel to finish the CGI for the film. That is why the Arctic Scene never made the final cut because the CGI for it wasn't finished.

A photorealistic Hulk is extremely possible in this era of technology and CGI. R&H did create a photorealistic Hulk in some parts of the film but with the lack of time it wasn't possible to have a photorealistic Hulk in the entire film. But I reckon that if Marvel hired a bigger CGI studio such as ILM or WETA for TIH then the CGI quality would have been to a much higher level in the short time R&H were given.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I bought a Sony BDP-S350, which was $300 at the time. You can get it cheaper now though. It does play DVD, and quite well I might add. I think all blue ray players that are being produced now are backwards compatible with DVD.

I have actually seen some that dont to be honest, dont know what the difference is, the main reason I ask is that i'm not replacing over 200 DVD's with Blu-ray!

Although I hope for TIH2, I agree that it will most likely be something else.

Agreed, unfortunately, I dont think TIH2 would be greenlight until they see the response the GA give to him in Avengers, so 2014 could be the earliest we get another solo Hulk movie .

All Blu-Ray players can play DVDs. Some Blu-Ray players have the ability to upscale the DVD footage to HD but it will never be as good as true Blu-Ray HD.

As above, I mainly ask because I dont fancy selling all my DVD's and re-buying them on Blu-ray.

I know no one wants to hear this, but there is a stronger possibility that film may be the Venom spinoff.... given Stan Lee role is already written.

Just saying.......

Venom isnt a collaberation, its a Sony property, so it wouldnt count as a Marvel studio's movie as they dont have the right to the character.

 

[Venom'sDad]

Marvel is the one doing the film, if it get going... in collaberation with Sony.

 

[Son of Coul]

Sony's making the movie, the rights to Venom are owned by them. Marvel is just kinda there 'cuz they sold them the rights.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

Yeah sony is in charge I don't think marvel has much say so in it.

 

[Spider-Vader]

Well unless the rumor about Paramount & Sony merging is right.

 

[FaT_tONle]

If Sony was going to make Venom... don't you think they would have green lit and actually gone forward with it immediately after SM3 and all the backlash surrounding the character. In otherwords, Sony saying, "this is how we will make it up to the Venom fans." Sort of like how Wolverine was an apology to fans who felt some of their favorite characters were shafted in the trilogy. We would have gotten a Venom movie by now with Topher and it would be coming out in 2010. Sony missed the boat. I doubt they will come back to the character any time soon, unless its a Spiderman movie.

 

[Son of Coul]

So yeah I hope Hulk does something cool in this movie.

 

[Obi-Ron]

Sort of like how Wolverine was an apology to fans who felt some of their favorite characters were shafted in the trilogy.

It was nothing of the sort. It was an attempt to cash in on a popular character.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

I guess so. Which would mean spidey would be back in marvels good good hands. Now if only fox would merge with someone so marvel can get the xmen, blade and daredevil rights back.

 

[FaT_tONle]

It was nothing of the sort. It was an attempt to cash in on a popular character.

I think it was in part. Otherwise they wouldn't have used the title X-Men Origins and the young mutants they featured would not have been otherwise.

 

[Obi-Ron]

Now if only fox would merge with a mack truck

Fixed

 

[Venom'sDad]

It was nothing of the sort. It was an attempt to cash in on a popular character.

As would be a Venom spin-off.


On a side note.....
Obviously I must be wrong or something; but I could have sworn I read somewhere that Marvel was proposing to do the film in colab with Sony, with Sony distributing it.

 

[FaT_tONle]

I remember the article you may be referring to only speculated that Marvel still had rights to Venom. I don't think they do though, but who knows? Wouldn't make much sense to me if Sony did not have the rights.

 

[Kirmit]

I think hulk should look exactly like this in the avengers http://www.play.com/Gadgets/Gadgets...dible-Hulk-Life-Size-Hulk-Statue/Product.html#