The Official Kevin Durand/Blob Discussion Thread

[YJ1]

I think we need to consider the possibility that a great deal of these mutants are gonna come together at the Japanese Prison Camp.

The entire camp might be comprised of mutants. Blob and Gambit might be some of them. We know for sure that Wolverine and Sabretooth are both prisoners at the camp.

We'll see Deadpool during the Weapon X parts.

-TL

Japanese Prison Camp? What? What thread talks about this? I can't seem to find it.

Blob and Deadpool are made for mutant cameos. Gambit, on the other hand, needs something substantial to do or don't use him at all. Juha makes a valid point. The use of Colossus and especially Angel were pointless and frustrating in X3.

Fans can just stop this Deadpool solo movie talk. It'll NEVER happen. Fox burned themselves with Elektra and will never commit to a similar spin off. I don't agree but that's simply the way it is.

 

[THOMAS LOGAN]

The a1ant put together the puzzle pieces on the Prison Camp in the "Official Photos" thread.

In regards to the ENDLESS bashing of X3 cameos:

Its called setting up the characters for another film.

In X4, Angel will have more screen time than you guys can handle. Colossus will have more screen time than he did in X2 and X3. The Juggernaut (despite all the hate that has been thrown in his direction) will return and have another fight with a big mutant. All in time.

*The only character that was truly wasted was Psylocke. It was a bad decision made by the writers, but it doesn't automatically mean they should go to hell for it. Zak Penn and Simon Kinberg saved Gambit and Omega Red from being just cameos in X3. Most likely those two characters will have some decent screen time in X-Men Origins: Wolverine.

What people need to think about is what YJ1 is saying. There WON'T be alot of spinoffs. Only Wolverine and Magneto are getting the treatment. We might never get another chance to see Deadpool. We might never get another chance to see Gambit. This isn't just a movie about Wolverine and his human surroundings. Wolverine is a mutant and he's gonna come across many others in his journey away from the X-Men. So let's enjoy the familiar faces as brief in the film as they may be.

-TL

 

[Balthus Dire]

X3 was entirely wasted potential if you ask me.

 

[Jick]

Am I the only one who doesn't like the idea of all these mutant cameos? The Blob, Deadpool, Gambit...I mean it's suppose to be a Wolverine solo movie, not X-men 4. This just means one thing. All these great characters are going to be hastily introduced, terribly under-used and all-around messed up just like Juggernaut, Angel and Colossus in X3.

it is a good idea.
like you said...they don't need to be fully developed because this is a Wolverine movie...not a X-Men one. it's different if we think about it.
Angel and Colossus were part of all the X-Men. but we're talking about a Wolvie movie. just one mutant. not a whole team. if Angel and Colossus were in it as much as they were in X-3, it wouldn't really matter because this is not their movie. Logan is the focus here.
so it won't matter if the other characters such as Deadpool and Blob will be strongly developed because they're not main characters. they're there to be introduced and to be a treat.
but that's my opinion...

 

[THOMAS LOGAN]

I really enjoyed the way the Xavier/Jean relationship culminated in X3.

Bryan Singer set up Xavier's stronghold over Jean's powers in X1, and then showcased the failure of that stronghold in X2. In X3 we find out that the greatest threat to the X-Men wasn't Magneto or Stryker, but instead the bipolar former member of the team that presumably died to save the team.

Yeah everybody (in the comic community) wanted the Goddamn intergalactic star destroyer that Claremont made so popular, but I vastly preferred the grounded out of control film version that was actually capable of killing someone important.

NEVER before while watching a comic book movie have I experienced the suspense and exhilaration that I had during the scene at Jean Grey's house. The score by John Powell, Wolverine's struggle to get to Xavier, Magneto's inability to stop her, ****IN INTENSE for a Marvel film if ya ask me.

-TL

 

[Gotham]

That's the one scene I felt Ratner showed what the film could've been.

Emotional.

 

[BMM]

Its called setting up the characters for another film.

In X4, Angel will have more screen time than you guys can handle. Colossus will have more screen time than he did in X2 and X3. The Juggernaut (despite all the hate that has been thrown in his direction) will return and have another fight with a big mutant. All in time.

Again, I really doubt it.

 

[Octoberist]

another film, huh?

 

[YJ1]

I really enjoyed the way the Xavier/Jean relationship culminated in X3.

Bryan Singer set up Xavier's stronghold over Jean's powers in X1, and then showcased the failure of that stronghold in X2. In X3 we find out that the greatest threat to the X-Men wasn't Magneto or Stryker, but instead the bipolar former member of the team that presumably died to save the team.

Yeah everybody (in the comic community) wanted the Goddamn intergalactic star destroyer that Claremont made so popular, but I vastly preferred the grounded out of control film version that was actually capable of killing someone important.

NEVER before while watching a comic book movie have I experienced the suspense and exhilaration that I had during the scene at Jean Grey's house. The score by John Powell, Wolverine's struggle to get to Xavier, Magneto's inability to stop her, ****IN INTENSE for a Marvel film if ya ask me.

-TL

I'm probably one of the few long time fans who agrees with you. If I were you, I'd stay away from the X3 page. I'm sure they're still whining about the film over there. I got tired early on of arguing with the stringent fanboys about X3. Be glad you joined SHH after X3 came out. I enjoyed the film for what it was and for bringing a close to a great trilogy.

I made this thread...

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=240956&page=11

To give the movie some credit and to watch the sniveling fanboy's heads explode.

I liked X3 but that doesn't mean they can't learn from the mistakes it made. That's the reason I brought up Angel and Colossus. Given time and budget constraints, I can understand the reasons why they did what they did on X3. Still, this film doesn't have to be rushed and they have plenty of time and talent in place to deliver on all fronts. I'm very confident that they will.

 

[THOMAS LOGAN]

YJ1, I LOVE YOUR THREAD!!!

I hated Superman Returns and viciously enjoyed witnessing its box office failure in comparison to X3.

I think Synger went out and got hammered when he heard X3 was the highest domestic weekend opener of the year and the 3rd overall highest domestic grossing film of 2006.

Thank you for the warning on the X3 forum, you've probably saved me from reading a million posts that say "Brett Ratner must die!".

-TL

 

[Balthus Dire]

After they screwed X3 so bad they'd have to do a reboot or a prequel for it to not be a colossal mess and extremely lame.

 

[THOMAS LOGAN]

Balthus Dire,

"X3 was the highest domestic weekend opener of the year and the 3rd overall highest domestic grossing film of 2006."

The above statement was part of the post that came before yours.

So let me ask you, when you say they "screwed" X3, do you mean they screwed it into making a ****load of money?

-TL

 

[YJ1]

^See what I mean?^

YJ1, I LOVE YOUR THREAD!!!

I hated Superman Returns and viciously enjoyed witnessing its box office failure in comparison to X3.

I think Synger went out and got hammered when he heard X3 was the highest domestic weekend opener of the year and the 3rd overall highest domestic grossing film of 2006.

Thank you for the warning on the X3 forum, you've probably saved me from reading a million posts that say "Brett Ratner must die!".

-TL

Thanks. I also enjoyed watching that rehash of a movie (Superman Returns) fall short of X3 on every level.

 

[citizenpain]

Fans can just stop this Deadpool solo movie talk. It'll NEVER happen. Fox burned themselves with Elektra and will never commit to a similar spin off. I don't agree but that's simply the way it is.

geez, captain optimistic, stop the talk? dude... this is a discussion forum.

i personally would love to see a deadpool solo movie, but yes, chances of it being made are very slim... but you really can't say never. comic book properties are still hot, and you definitely can't say never about the fox thing, unless you are fox. are you... fox? huh?

t:

as for the blob... i don't see how he fits into the wolverine mytho, but i'm all for mutant cameos... especially if they're deadpool and gambit! i'm not too worried about the cameos getting the weak x-men 3 treatment because we've got a better director here, and a better writer as well. if any of you have seen 25th hour, it's an excellent film with ed norton that was originally written as a novel by david benioff and he eventually turned it into a screenplay. it really shows that he can deal well with multiple characters and creating a strong supporting cast for the protagonist.

 

[YJ1]

are you... fox? huh?

t:

If I were Fox, you'd have your Deadpool movie. The Daredevil DC would've been the theatrical version. We'd have seen DD2 instead of Elektra and Galactus would've appeared in all his gigantic glory in FF: ROTSS. So, sadly, I'm not Fox.

Point taken, dream away!

 

[THOMAS LOGAN]

Would you have recast Daredevil?

I would.

-TL

 

[citizenpain]

If I were Fox, you'd have your Deadpool movie. The Daredevil DC would've been the theatrical version. We'd have seen DD2 instead of Elektra and Galactus would've appeared in all his gigantic glory in FF: ROTSS. So, sadly, I'm not Fox.

Point taken, dream away!

damn, now i kinda wish you were fox.

i actually still haven't seen ff2... and after a friend of mine told me about the galactus thing, i don't plan on seeing it.

Would you have recast Daredevil?

I would.

-TL

daredevil was like a 6/10 for me. the only person i'd recast is obviously affleck.

 

[THOMAS LOGAN]

Only Affleck?

You can't possibly agree on Duncan.

-TL

 

[Gotham]

Would you have recast Daredevil?

I would.

-TL

Who wouldn't?

 

[Juha]

So let me ask you, when you say they "screwed" X3, do you mean they screwed it into making a ****load of money?

X3 got it made because the first two movies were amazing. The movie itself was VERY average and it had some moments that were downright lousy IMO.

And I personally wouldn't recast Daredevil. Well maybe Colin Farrel but that's it. The movie could've been better but Affleck, Garner, Duncan, Favreau etc. did good IMO.

 

[Angamb]

I'm starting to understand why this movie is called "X-men origins: Wolverine".

They don't want an exclusive Logan movie, they want all the x-men trilogy fanbase and general public to go to see this spinoff too, that's why they are using more known mutants.

I don't like the idea, in fact, I hate it, but everyone knows who is behind this: Fox.

 

[THOMAS LOGAN]

Juha, what you are saying makes NO SENSE. If X3 was so average and its only appeal to audiences was the fact that it was a sequel to the first two, why didn't it die out after the enormous opening weekend? Why did it continue to gross another $110 million over the next 6 weeks???

Pointless remarks on a film that did extremely well despite people with ridiculous demands on how it should have been.

That's the saddest part about all you X3 haters. You hate hate hate, yet it makes no difference because in the end the film did well and the franchise is moving forward. Goes to show what a small community you haters truly are.

Angamb, You hate the idea that there will be more mutants besides Wolverine in the movie? Why would you hate seeing more mutants?

I'm just glad FOX disregards the way you crap all over it.

-TL

 

[Angamb]

I don't hate seeing more mutans, I hate that people like Gambit appears firstly here than in a x-men movie, where he belong.

They do this for money, pure and simple.

 

[X-Maniac]

Japanese Prison Camp? What? What thread talks about this? I can't seem to find it.

Blob and Deadpool are made for mutant cameos. Gambit, on the other hand, needs something substantial to do or don't use him at all. Juha makes a valid point. The use of Colossus and especially Angel were pointless and frustrating in X3.

Fans can just stop this Deadpool solo movie talk. It'll NEVER happen. Fox burned themselves with Elektra and will never commit to a similar spin off. I don't agree but that's simply the way it is.

I agree Colossus was badly used - it didn't need much more, just replace the scene of him carrying a TV with one of him doing art in his room with a photo of his homeland on the wall behind him.

I don't think Angel was pointless at all - he was the reason a cure was developed, the reason the school stayed open, the reason Worthington Snr survived and (hopefully) learned to be proud of his son. The fact that Angel is still in SF at the end (where he flies over the bridge) indicates he probably patched things up with his dad (Worthington Labs was in SF too). What was needed was a scene where Angel and his dad speak after the rescue at Alcatraz - it's in the novelisation and would have been perfect to round off his story.

Angel stood for anything/anyone that's different; and the mistreatment and misunderstanding of that difference. Angel felt the need to hide in the bathroom to try to hack off his wings and also hide his wings under his coat, restraining and strapping down part of what he was. When push came to shove, when he was strapped to a gurney and faced with a jarring transformation, he chose freedom. It was a coming out scene. Then a flight of freedom. Then seeking the company of others like himself. His father came to see the beauty and advantage of mutation when he was rescued at Alcatraz - it's a contrast between Angel plunging from a huge height (at Worthington Labs) and surviving, and his father being at risk of death. His dad owed his life to the son he wanted to cure.

I think all that stuff is pretty obvious.... but Angel needed more screentime.

We didn't need to see lizard mutant Anole clinging to the church wall, we didn't need to see Phat changing mass, we didn't really need Multiple Man whose only real role was to be freed then set himself up to be captured again. If they'd removed some of these distractions, and given us more focus on Angel and Colossus, and a more compassionate Storm, then the movie would be much more liked by the fanboys on here.

 

[DoctorJones]

I'm starting to understand why this movie is called "X-men origins: Wolverine".

They don't want an exclusive Logan movie, they want all the x-men trilogy fanbase and general public to go to see this spinoff too, that's why they are using more known mutants.

I don't like the idea, in fact, I hate it, but everyone knows who is behind this: Fox.

You mean you don't want Sabretooth?

I'm looking forward to seeing a world where humans are just beginning to realise what exists among them.