Sequels The Official Kevin Spacey As Lex Luthor Thread

[Qwerty©]

That would be worthy of a thumb up if it were true, but its clearly not being as Supes spends a good portion of the movie moping.

He only mopes in that one scene, and then goes of to stop crime immediately afterwards. When was the last time you saw the film?

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

You're comparing apples and oranges. Spider-Man is essentially a child (I believe he is only 21 or 22 as of S-M3), who was under the influence of a symbiote and for all extensive purposes possessed. Where as Superman is a fully grown adult who should be more responsible than to run off immedietly after sleeping with someone he claims to love and then stalking her afterwards.

I was going to write the exact same thing today but you already did it for me so there is no need.

 

[GreenKToo]

I would imagine its hard to relate to superman going to Lois's house and looking/listening to them unless you have loved and lost someone.

Who knows what he was thinking by doing that. Maybe he just wanted to see what kind of life he could have had with Lois, something normal you know.

Personally I think the scene would have played better IF he had already known jason was his son.

 

[Showtime]

I would imagine its hard to relate to superman going to Lois's house and looking/listening to them unless you have loved and lost someone.

Who knows what he was thinking by doing that. Maybe he just wanted to see what kind of life he could have had with Lois, something normal you know.

Personally I think the scene would have played better IF he had already known jason was his son.

I really thought nothing of the scene the first time I watched the movie. I had no problem with it. I didn't have a problem with it in subsequent viewings either. The reason being is because many incarnations of Superman feature him using his powers for spying on Lois and others. For those who really know the mythos related to comic books and other media, realize that Superman has done this for years.

That being said I can still understand why some have a problem with it but I think it is more a sign of the times than anything.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I would imagine its hard to relate to superman going to Lois's house and looking/listening to them unless you have loved and lost someone.

Who knows what he was thinking by doing that. Maybe he just wanted to see what kind of life he could have had with Lois, something normal you know.

Personally I think the scene would have played better IF he had already known jason was his son.

I think that is one of the reasons he went there and did what he did, another reason to me was he went to talk to her but instead of busting into the house, he thought he'd check to see if it was a bad time or not. After listening to the conversation, he obviously heard all that he needed to.

Plus, something that people fail to remember is, at this point, i'll bet Superman is feeling more lonely than ever, he's just come back from a failed mission to find others like him, and come's back to find the woman he leves has moved on. Wouldnt you feel pretty lonely in that situation?

 

[Showtime]

Its a very fine line to walk. Raimi did it in Spider-Man 2. He made John Jameson the exact opposite of Flash Thompson. The thing is, he didn't constantly have the spot light on him. Even though people like Richard and John are likable, they are for story telling purposes antagonists. If you focus too much on Richard (as Singer did) and see that he is just such a perfect person, you begin to question who you are rooting for. In the end, a lot of people ended up liking Richard more than Big Blue, which turns Supes into the antagonist of Richard (who from their perspective became the protagnist). If you want to do the likable competition type thing...you have to keep the person in the background. You can't let the audience grow too attached to them, and that is exactly what Singer did.

I think it's hard for me to compare John Jameson with Richard, because as you said Richard had a bigger role in Returns. It charms me that you know and understand the role of protagonists and antanogists so well, because it is a very important process in writing. I love it.

You can bring an antagonist into the forefront and make them likeable if they are eventually going to turn...well...heel from a face, to use a wrestling term. If the character is not going to turn, then you are in danger of entering a Richard type situation.

 

[GreenKToo]

I really thought nothing of the scene the first time I watched the movie. I had no problem with it. I didn't have a problem with it in subsequent viewings either. The reason being is because many incarnations of Superman feature him using his powers for spying on Lois and others. For those who really know the mythos related to comic books and other media, realize that Superman has done this for years.

That being said I can still understand why some have a problem with it but I think it is more a sign of the times than anything.

It never bothered me either. Only two scenes in the film really bothered me, and they both involved Lex.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I don't particularly care for the "stalking" scene but I have to say that it didn't bother me nearly as much as a lot of people on here. It was a silly scene to be sure but there are bigger fish for me to fry.

I can't get over the fact that Superman didn't tell Lois his secret idenity before he slept with her and left before he said goodbye. That doesn't make him human that makes him a selfish bastard.

I can't get over Lois sleeping with a man she didn't even really know, even if it was Superman! Lois obviously doesn't have much self respect. Mj kissed Spider-Man, she didn't have a go at him. I can't get over the fact that she slept with a man so shortly after sleeping with another that she didn't even know who her baby daddy was.

I can't get over the fact that Supes think that it's okay that his son doesn't know who his real father is.

I can't over the fact that jokes about bald men are still being made in the 2000's, I mean seriously a child seeing a bald man is not shocking in anyway, are we living in the 70's?

I can't get over the fact that despite ground breaking SFX in this day and age the best the writers and the studio could think to do with Superman is have him lift things.

I can't get over the fact that we are still using the tired same old Hackman Lex after all of the updates the character has recived. We still get the supposedly smart guy who hires idiots to do his bidding.

I can't get over the fact that younger looking actors were playing the older versions of Donners characters.

I can't get over the fact that Lois had more do in the movie than Superman.

I can't get over the fact that the movie features another land takeover plot.

I can't over the fact that the movie cast a 24 year old who looks like a 20year as a 35year old Lois Lane. A 24 year who didn't have enough spunk to in anyway make me forget that fact.

I can't get over the fact that the movie is stuck in the semi 1930's/40's world.

I can't get over the fact that we still have to see the ridiculous bumbling goofy Clark routine from the 70's.

I can't get over the fact that after 5 movies we still have't seen an actual Superman villain from the comics outside of Lex.

And finally...

I can't get over the fact that WB spent 200mil on movie movie and only a 100 showed up on screen.

Superstalker is stupid and lame but it's the least of my worries.

 

[Showtime]

I could kiss you...

 

[Matt]

Bravo I See Spidey. Just for the record, I wasn't complaining about the super-stalking. I mean, sure, it was a stupid plot device and there are far better ways to show Clark's affection for Lois. I was just pointing out how wrong Jamon's comments about Clark moving on as soon as he saw Lois did were.

 

[Matt]

I would imagine its hard to relate to superman going to Lois's house and looking/listening to them unless you have loved and lost someone.

OMG! Have you seen the subtitle for the new Superman movie!?!?!

Spoiler

Superman Returns 2: Superman Makes a Mixed Tape

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Oh God you guys are embarrassing me epspecially you Showtime.

I understood what the point of your post was Matt and I know that you are the last person who would hate or dislike a movie based on nit picking, it's just that the bulk of the anti SR fans are giving us a bad name by saying that they didn't like the movie because Superman "stalked" Lois or that he's costume wasn't right.

 

[Matt]

I think it's hard for me to compare John Jameson with Richard, because as you said Richard had a bigger role in Returns. It charms me that you know and understand the role of protagonists and antanogists so well, because it is a very important process in writing. I love it.

You can bring an antagonist into the forefront and make them likeable if they are eventually going to turn...well...heel from a face, to use a wrestling term. If the character is not going to turn, then you are in danger of entering a Richard type situation.

Exactly, and whether or not people want to admit it...it does create a problem from a story telling perspective. No matter what out they use, the audience will probably feel shafted in one way or another.

 

[Matt]

Oh god

Hey, I'd watch it

 

[GreenKToo]

OMG! Have you seen the subtitle for the new Superman movie!?!?!

Spoiler

Superman Returns 2: Superman Makes a Mixed Tape

Ha, ha.t:

 

[Showtime]

Exactly, and whether or not people want to admit it...it does create a problem from a story telling perspective. No matter what out they use, the audience will probably feel shafted in one way or another.

You are exactly right about that. They were a couple very problematic story choices.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Hey, I'd watch it

Hey that wasn't my entire post, I had more to say but accidently hit submit reply.

 

[Superman1314]

Its a very fine line to walk. Raimi did it in Spider-Man 2. He made John Jameson the exact opposite of Flash Thompson. The thing is, he didn't constantly have the spot light on him. Even though people like Richard and John are likable, they are for story telling purposes antagonists. If you focus too much on Richard (as Singer did) and see that he is just such a perfect person, you begin to question who you are rooting for. In the end, a lot of people ended up liking Richard more than Big Blue, which turns Supes into the antagonist of Richard (who from their perspective became the protagnist). If you want to do the likable competition type thing...you have to keep the person in the background. You can't let the audience grow too attached to them, and that is exactly what Singer did.

I think it was intentional on Singers part, and I think he didn an outstanding job with it. Unlike John Jameson, whom i couldn't care less about, and did not give a crap wether MJ ended up with him, I actually ended up liking Richard...and in the end..when I was made to go "Wait a minute, who do I want Lois to end up with?" I was torn..and it was brilliant.

 

[Showtime]

Oh God you guys are embarrassing me epspecially you Showtime.

It's ok, we all blush sometimes.

 

[GreenKToo]

I think it was intentional on Singers part, and I think he didn an outstanding job with it. Unlike John Jameson, whom i couldn't care less about, and did not give a crap wether MJ ended up with him, I actually ended up liking Richard...and in the end..when I was made to go "Wait a minute, who do I want Lois to end up with?" I was torn..and it was brilliant.

I liked him as well, and I think it would be brilliant to show him dying saving Jason and Lois from the supervillain, but I seriouslly doubt it will happen. You have to admit, with most people connecting to him so well, it would pull hard at the heart strings if he died a heroic death.

 

[Rob-el]

I liked him as well, and I think it would be brilliant to show him dying saving Jason and Lois from the supervillain, but I seriouslly doubt it will happen. You have to admit, with most people connecting to him so well, it would pull hard at the heart strings if he died a heroic death.

In the end it will all be so simple when its revealed that the earth that Superman returned to was either an alterante universe or the result of Mr. Mxyzptlk's magic and he is the kid. Then we can get things back in order for Superman movies! Superman movies should be fun, enteratining , with a message but they should not be emotionally draining or "challenging" to the veiwer to be torn.

 

[Showtime]

That is not going to happen.

 

[Grinder]

I think it was intentional on Singers part, and I think he didn an outstanding job with it. Unlike John Jameson, whom i couldn't care less about, and did not give a crap wether MJ ended up with him, I actually ended up liking Richard...and in the end..when I was made to go "Wait a minute, who do I want Lois to end up with?" I was torn..and it was brilliant.

Yeah, it's really "brilliant" to insert a character nobody asked for and make him better in every way than the guy who's supposed to be the main man and get the girl in the end ... ---> GENIUS!

 

[arksalame]

Im kinda hoping Spacey and Bosworth are M.I.A. for the next movie.
(heavy sigh)

 

[Rob-el]

That is not going to happen.

Which part the alterant earth/Mxyzptlk part or the Superman movies should be fun, enteraining with a message but not a challenge to watch part?! And yes that was a rhetorical question!