Sequels The Official Kevin Spacey As Lex Luthor Thread

[Showtime]

I was watching G4 today. When the news started they mentioned that Singer will be filming MOS next year because he's doing two other movies first and that Spacey will return. Yeah I know we've known this for a while. Just thought I'd share it with everyone that it was stated on tv too.

That confirms what Billy Batson posted earlier about the G4 feed. The question is where is G4 getting their news, it might be based on what we already are reading on the internet and not an additional source.

 

[manofsteel4life]

I was watching G4 today. When the news started they mentioned that Singer will be filming MOS next year because he's doing two other movies first and that Spacey will return. Yeah I know we've known this for a while. Just thought I'd share it with everyone that it was stated on tv too.

THAT'S GREAT....BUT ACCORDING TO DOUBTERS...IT STILL AINT ENOUGH FOR THEM

 

[Delete]

The audience clearly wants Superman and Lois to get together

How is this clear?

 

[turtlefocker]

How is this clear?

Egzactly

 

[BULLITT]

This totally blows !!!!

 

[Lestat74]

How is this clear?

simply because Superman and Lois Lane are one of the most famous and beloved romantic couplings in pop culture ever. I would say most people would naturally want the fairy tale ending for those two.

 

[hoopy3]

The problem is...with the story in SR, the fairy tale no longer exists. Watching that movie, Richard White is not only likable, but heroic as well...his personality is what clark's should have been. I don't see anyway to have Lois and Clark get together without leaving a sour taste in the audience's mouth...Killing Richard would be a total cop out.

 

[Steelsheen]

Yeah we should have know Deep throat was deep throating poopsicles from his mouth.... I mean I will admit I have been flip slopping back and forth with my stance on this thing... but I am thinking its MOS for 09... not JLA... but that can change next week with another report... so time will only tell...

so you finally saw the light

That confirms what Billy Batson posted earlier about the G4 feed. The question is where is G4 getting their news, it might be based on what we already are reading on the internet and not an additional source.

that's a very good question, i'm just hoping that they check with some legit WB sources before they make a fool of themselves on TV.

 

[Kevin Roegele]

They aren't going to kill off the kid in a PG-13 flick man comon... as much as the kid sticks a fork in future sequels... we are stuck with it... believe me I am the first person who would sign on for this.. but if anything... it would be Richard sacrificing himself when the moment came. Just send the kid off to a private school... but yeah I'd kill him if I could write the script

Spot-on. If anyone dies, it will be Richard.

 

[dark_b]

i dont think that richard will die. it would be to obvious.
you know like the kid being from superman............whait a minute

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

That confirms what Billy Batson posted earlier about the G4 feed. The question is where is G4 getting their news, it might be based on what we already are reading on the internet and not an additional source.

It might be, but i doubt they would broadcast something like that without checking it was true first.

 

[FlawlessVictory]

simply because Superman and Lois Lane are one of the most famous and beloved romantic couplings in pop culture ever. I would say most people would naturally want the fairy tale ending for those two.

If I actually cared for Superman in SR then I would agree with you. But, Richard came across for me as far more a likeable character than Superman. I can't care for a character who has sex with a girl without telling her who he really is even though he supposedly loves her so much. I can't care for a character who doesn't even bother to stick around to see if she gets pregnant. And I can't care for a character who doesn't even have the decency to tell loved ones he will be leaving them for an extended period of time. This wasn't Superman to me so seeing him be with Lois at the end would feel hollow to me.

 

[Kryptonian Warrior]

If I actually cared for Superman in SR then I would agree with you. But, Richard came across for me as far more a likeable character than Superman. I can't care for a character who has sex with a girl without telling her who he really is even though he supposedly loves her so much. I can't care for a character who doesn't even bother to stick around to see if she gets pregnant. And I can't care for a character who doesn't even have the decency to tell loved ones he will be leaving them for an extended period of time. This wasn't Superman to me so seeing him be with Lois at the end would feel hollow to me.

If you hate it so much, then why would you watch it?

 

[FlawlessVictory]

If you hate it so much, then why would you watch it?

You don't know you hate a movie until after you have watched it. And I don't hate it, I was just extremely disappointed with it.

 

[dark_b]

If you hate it so much, then why would you watch it?

shouldnt you watch the movie to see if you like it or not ?

 

[FaT_tONle]

so you finally saw the light

Actually 2010 is still open... so if its MOS in 09... it only strengthens the case of a JLA in 2010 without Batman... I can't see Bale playing the same character on three occassions in two franchises in four years... so I still firmly believe Batman will have no role in a JLA before 2011.

 

[true316]

If I actually cared for Superman in SR then I would agree with you. But, Richard came across for me as far more a likeable character than Superman. I can't care for a character who has sex with a girl without telling her who he really is even though he supposedly loves her so much. I can't care for a character who doesn't even bother to stick around to see if she gets pregnant. And I can't care for a character who doesn't even have the decency to tell loved ones he will be leaving them for an extended period of time. This wasn't Superman to me so seeing him be with Lois at the end would feel hollow to me.

I see your point but I also disagree to some extent. You mention having sex with Lois without her knowing who he really is as a problem. In the post crisis comics version Clark is the real person and Superman is the disguise. However in SR and the traditional Superman mythology, Superman is the real person and Clark is a disguise. It isn't like she was having sex with a fake person. Also about sticking around to see if someone gets pregnant, that really points to the more fundamental nature of unexpected pregnancies. They're unexpected! We don't know the details of their sexual encounter (and imo we don't need to know; there is such a thing as too much information!). Did they use a condom? Superman may have incorrectly assumed (as many people do) that it is a 100% effective means of preventing pregnancy. Superman also may have incorrectly assumed that since he is an alien, he wouldn't be able to have a child with Lois. Superman making a mistake of this nature isn't enough for me to turn my back on him. The bottom line is, I have full confidence if he would have known Lois was pregnant he wouldn't have left. That makes a huge difference to me. Also you mention Superman not telling loved ones as a problem. But let me ask you, how many loved ones does Superman have? Lois? According to Superman 2, whatever relationship they had was over. I don't feel compelled to tell ex-girlfriends of my future plans (although Superman indicates regretting not telling her). That leaves Johnathan and Martha Kent. Johnathan is dead and Martha? He told her he was leaving. The one loved one he really had knew he was going.

What do you think? I'm not really trying to convince you, just give you a different perspective to consider. The reason I care about Superman in SR is because I see in him, someone who cares about others to the point that he is prepared to give his life for them. I've never seen a major super hero get injured so badly that he ended up in the hospital (in a movie). To me it made this film and this character very compelling.

 

[Qwerty©]

What defines him as Superman in this film is that shortly after finding out Lois no longer loves him, he immediately goes back to fighting crime, despite being so obviously affected emotionally. Because it's his duty.

 

[Matt]

What defines him as Superman in this film is that shortly after finding out Lois no longer loves him, he immediately goes back to fighting crime, despite being so obviously affected emotionally. Because it's his duty.

ANd yet he still finds time to super-stalk Lois

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

^*chuckle*

 

[Pickle-El]

What defines him as Superman in this film is that shortly after finding out Lois no longer loves him, he immediately goes back to fighting crime, despite being so obviously affected emotionally. Because it's his duty.

It's better than sulking for 1/2 hour, losing his powers, and watching people get beat up while he has the chance to do something about it!

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

It's better than sulking for 1/2 hour, losing his powers, and watching people get beat up while he has the chance to do something about it!

Spider-Man isn't Superman.

 

[Pickle-El]

Oh excuse me....Supes isn't allowed faults, I forgot. Yet, we'll 'allow' Spidey to get away with things that are easily just as bad as 'superstalking'.

Like what I said above, and pushing his future wife around....wifebeater Peter.

 

[Grinder]

Peter is a teen resp. young man who still constantly makes errors to learn from them whereas Superman already knows how to behave!

Well, of course not Singerman BUT Superman WOULD know better!

 

[FlawlessVictory]

I see your point but I also disagree to some extent. You mention having sex with Lois without her knowing who he really is as a problem. In the post crisis comics version Clark is the real person and Superman is the disguise. However in SR and the traditional Superman mythology, Superman is the real person and Clark is a disguise. It isn't like she was having sex with a fake person.

But, if Superman is having sex with someone, one would assume that he loves this person and if he loves this person why does he feel the need to hide secrets from her. What's the harm in telling her that he is Clark as well. Does he not trust her then? It just seems sleezy that he is sleeping with her and then is interacting with her at the office when Lois doesn't know Clark is Superman as well. I find that wrong. And this is perhaps one of my biggest problems with the movie. Superman has sex with Lois, an act that is considered sharing yourself with someone, yet he is unable to reveal that he is Clark as well, even if Clark is not the real identity? I find that quite bizarre.

Also about sticking around to see if someone gets pregnant, that really points to the more fundamental nature of unexpected pregnancies. They're unexpected! We don't know the details of their sexual encounter (and imo we don't need to know; there is such a thing as too much information!). Did they use a condom? Superman may have incorrectly assumed (as many people do) that it is a 100% effective means of preventing pregnancy. Superman also may have incorrectly assumed that since he is an alien, he wouldn't be able to have a child with Lois. Superman making a mistake of this nature isn't enough for me to turn my back on him. The bottom line is, I have full confidence if he would have known Lois was pregnant he wouldn't have left. That makes a huge difference to me.

I'm willing to accept what I put in bold.

Also you mention Superman not telling loved ones as a problem. But let me ask you, how many loved ones does Superman have? Lois? According to Superman 2, whatever relationship they had was over. I don't feel compelled to tell ex-girlfriends of my future plans (although Superman indicates regretting not telling her). That leaves Johnathan and Martha Kent. Johnathan is dead and Martha? He told her he was leaving. The one loved one he really had knew he was going.

Ok, you're right on that one. I guess he only has Martha and Lois as loved ones and he did tell Martha that he will be gone for awhile. But now are you referencing Superman 2 which is not entirely accurate. Singer has gone on record on many occasions stating that the past history between Superman and Lois is not based off of Superman 2. Yes, there was an intimate relationship between Superman and Lois before SR but not what we saw in Superman 2. Here is just one quote from Singer:

Well, I didn't really stick to that. Y'know, the mylar bed. And the cocktails in the Fortress of Solitude. I wouldn't want to bring that up. All I wanted to reference is they had had a previous, there was some sort of previous relations between them.
http://www.superherohype.com/news/featuresnews.php?id=4972

What do you think? I'm not really trying to convince you, just give you a different perspective to consider. The reason I care about Superman in SR is because I see in him, someone who cares about others to the point that he is prepared to give his life for them. I've never seen a major super hero get injured so badly that he ended up in the hospital (in a movie). To me it made this film and this character very compelling.

The thing that gets to me is that what the entire movie is based upon, Superman not telling Lois goodbye and its consequences, is just something that I would think Superman would never do. However, you brought up an interesting idea, that even though the relationship in Superman 2 is not in continuity with the relationship in SR, we don't know for a fact that Superman and Lois were in a committed relationship when he left. They could have decided for whatever reason to separate and shortly thereafter he could have then taken his trip to Krypton. This idea is quite a stretch but since the history for SR is so vague not impossible to entertain.