MTU only failed because it was only spiderman and even losers who obsess over spidey get sick of that. in my opinion the best MTU was definately iceman vs human torch. its so simple but so sick cause there is not spiderman NONE! WOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOO. anywho i was gunna buy the second volume of MTU at the store but it was 30 friggen bucks which is kinda alot for a small comic. if youve read it can anyone tell me if its worth it? that and i know this is irrelevant but should i buy v for vendetta, is it really that good?
MTU only failed because it was only spiderman and even losers who obsess over spidey get sick of that. in my opinion the best MTU was definately iceman vs human torch. its so simple but so sick cause there is not spiderman NONE! WOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOO. anywho i was gunna buy the second volume of MTU at the store but it was 30 friggen bucks which is kinda alot for a small comic. if youve read it can anyone tell me if its worth it? that and i know this is irrelevant but should i buy v for vendetta, is it really that good?
It is worth it, but a shame that Marvel prices their TPB's so high, which is ironic as they claim to rely on them in many ways. DC does a better job of making their trades more affordable; the typical DC trade it at least $5 cheaper than Marvel ones on average.
Amazingly, MTU #19, as in an issue after this arc ends, was solicted for April, so it does look like Marvel may end up continuing to publish this book a little longer. Of course, a solict is one thing; the issue actually seeing print is another. I remember a 10th issue of the X-MEN EVOLUTION comic from about 3 years ago being solicted, and never actually getting made. Some screenshots of that solict can still be found on a Google search. But it does look promising that MTU seems fit to continue, and hopefully last at least one more arc.
Wow, MTU #15 sold 20,000 copies at #115 that month. Yeah, this book is toast; no way Marvel lets it continue past this arc unless the trades are really selling like gangbusters; a real shame. I'll enjoy the ride, though. There have been a lot of books that didn't make it past issue #12.
It is also depressing to see how poorly a lot of other books I enjoy sell; RUNAWAYS #11 was #83 in the Top 100 with THE THING #2 barely staying on the Top 100.
Is it because demand is low, or because the average fan doesn't know these books exist, because Marvel is too busy selling them Bendis, Spider and DECIMATION X-books, which no fan could miss?
At least YA books consistantly sell well. And NO ISSUE of NEW AVENGERS, not a one, is worth outselling some of these books. No issue has been that good. Even at its best.
Considering that every business report I seem to read claims that Marvel's comic sales barely amount to 35% of their gross every year, they could afford to be a little patient with books at times, to see if they develop an audience. Remember, even THE X-FILES took over a season to find steam.
But, yes, the April solict for MTU #19 indicates that at least at the moment, Marvel plans to keep the book around for another arc, likely because Kirkman's one of their "Ten Terrific" writers they want to amp up. But hey, good that they'd amp a writer who deserves it for a change.
Amazingly, MTU #19, as in an issue after this arc ends, was solicted for April, so it does look like Marvel may end up continuing to publish this book a little longer. Of course, a solict is one thing; the issue actually seeing print is another. I remember a 10th issue of the X-MEN EVOLUTION comic from about 3 years ago being solicted, and never actually getting made. Some screenshots of that solict can still be found on a Google search. But it does look promising that MTU seems fit to continue, and hopefully last at least one more arc.
I most definately agree. While most of their attention is duely focused on those "blockbuster" selling titles, such as New Avengers, X-books, Spider-books, "Event" books, Ultimate books and "Holy Crap, we have ____ writing/drawing ____ now"-books, but I and others have seemed to wish that Marvel would attempt to promote some of their poorer selling titles too, rather than leaving them to fate or message board fan-drives.
I'm sure someone could repost the solict for April's MTU #19, but basically it involves a team-up between Cable and Wolverine in a story that Kirkman jokingly calls "1991", which was about the last time the appearence of either character dramatically effected the sales of a struggling book (if Kirkman wants to continue this theme, appearences by Punisher, Ghost Rider and Venom are due soon. ). The story supposedly sets up a new arc, which implies that MTU will be around another 4-6 issues, which is about how long arcs last these days.
Im not sure on the sales of the first trade, though, and another for Titannus War is likely upcoming. Kirkman's also been a writer that Marvel's been courting with projects lately, such as his well-selling MARVEL ZOMBIES, which may also be why MTU is being kept around. Either way I don't mind.
But Marvel should promote this and other books more; MTU has the sort of mainstream superheroics and tight continuity that many fans crave, but one wonders if many in the "silent majority" even know this book exists.
You'd think that they would put a little more effort into promoting Marvel Team Up. From what I've seen of it so far there have been lesser known characters appearing in the book with the more popular guys. Now, as a business man, wouldn't you want to promote this book that could maybe get a reader who bought it to see Spider-Man but would end up digging Moon Knight...and would want to learn more about Moon Knight. Then you've got interest in a character you didn't expect.
And what's really crazy is that Marvel Team Up is consistently one of Marvel's better books. You'd think they would know quality when they would see it.
You'd think that they would put a little more effort into promoting Marvel Team Up. From what I've seen of it so far there have been lesser known characters appearing in the book with the more popular guys. Now, as a business man, wouldn't you want to promote this book that could maybe get a reader who bought it to see Spider-Man but would end up digging Moon Knight...and would want to learn more about Moon Knight. Then you've got interest in a character you didn't expect.
And what's really crazy is that Marvel Team Up is consistently one of Marvel's better books. You'd think they would know quality when they would see it.
We mentioned this earlier in the topic; how MTU serves as a function to not only provide simple "outside of current event" sort of stories with some big-name characters, like Spider-Man, Wolverine, Daredevil, X-23, etc, but also provides looks at other heroes and villians of the Marvel universe, and can lead some not-in-the-know fans to seek our their series, or digests, trades, or back issues.
Moon Knight is a good example; while he had a cameo in DISASSEMBLED, it was MTU #7 that provided his first real comic appearence in years (followed closely by a cameo in GLA #2). Now he's set to get his own series again in April. Speedball is also in this arc, and was in NEW WARRIORS, which should be coming out with a trade of their last series soon. If Marvel would promote the book, there could be some carryover.
But, yes, MTU is a decent book that derserves to sell better. It provides a good smattering of Marvel Universe stuff. Superheroes to magic, aliens to mutants, time travel and back again...
I think the art work has been great and the cameos and team-ups have been great its a comic i looke foward to when i see on the shelves i hope it sticks around past 1991 arc
Yes, he is. He appeared in MTU #15 fighting alongside Luke Cage before the latter hero succumbed to agents of the time-faring warrior Chronok, who has come back in time to take out history's greatest heroes, while heroes who seem to have been left off the records of history (such as Gravity, Darkhawk, Terror, Arana, Speedball, Dagger, X-23, and Sleepwalker) are all that is left to stop him. Gravity would have suffered a simular fate to Cage had this cabal not aided him during a battle in NYC, where he is currently travelling with the team to the future via Chronok's stolen time-device.
Out of that ad-hoc squad,
Arana
has perished so far.
If you liked Gravity, I would recommend picking up this arc. Or heck, pick up MTU as a whole. It's one of Marvel's great unsung titles.
I figured I would post my thoughts on MTU #17 from the BOUGHT/THOUGHT topic. Heavy Spoilers!
Dread said:
MARVEL TEAM-UP #17: My favorite book of the week, easily. I've been eagerly looking foward to this issue, and it didn't disappoint. It is a bit of a slower issue compared to the hectic action of the first two installments, but the story needed the lull to at least try to focus on some of the characters here. Basically, our cast of misfit heroes (Darkhawk, Dagger, Gravity, X-23, Terror, Sleepwalker, and Arana's ARM) escape to the future to stop Chronok's assault on Earth before it began, and meet Mutant 2099 and come face to face with the MARVEL KNIGHTS 2099 reality (which is not the same as the 2099 reality that EXILES just visited; the ALTERNATE DIMENSIONS handbook is really a must for Marvel fans). Of course, Kirkman created Mutant 2099 and all the MK 2099 books two years ago, so it is no surprise he's using it as canon in MTU.
We're given enough of a rundown that you really don't need to read those books to understand this reality; most of Earth's heroes and villians perished when the government installed the mutant registration act and policed the nation with Sentinals. Amung the survivors is Reed Richards' brain, who exists in a series of robots (including one based on Thing), and Chad Channing, who is literally branded as "mutant 2099" on his arm, and who appears to have your sort of typical superhero powers of enhanced strength, agility, etc. Given with no active way to find Chronok's army, Reed realizes that the time-machine that Chronok steals is from HIS lab, so they use the 30 days to prepare as a team to stop his eventual assault. Along the way we get some private character moments; Darkhawk easing Dagger's emotional pain at losing Cloak and Arana so quickly, the ghoulish Terror seeming to bond with the equally freaky looking Sleepwalker (who feels ill from being seperated from his host for so long), Chad, Gravity and X-23 bonding over latte (with the latter two eventually seeming to hook up), Terror gaining Arana's mystical armor, and team battles to build experience (such as against Fin Fang Foom, Sentianals with DD 2099), even with Chris Powell becoming a decent field leader and the unnamed team (due to Speedball's comment, I am calling them "Marvel Knights Avengers 2099") having Silver Age-esque uniforms (like the Fan 4 or early X-Men had). The issue, of course, ends with Chronok blasting in to fulfill his dark destiny, and the team standing against him.
As for the poster who claimed Gravity was "cheating on his girlfriend", recall that in his own series, Lauren DUMPED him after he broke a date helping Grenwich Guardian, and while they seemed on friendly terms at the end, she was visibly dating someone else at the time. And I suppose it is a bit sad that I can claim that Kirkman isn't writing X-23 properly because he is choosing to have her act like a real teenage girl actually might, instead of the emotionless, nearly mindless combat machine that she is, but I hate the emotionless type, so be it. I hated this about X-23 since her second episode of EVOLUTION way back in 2003, when I officially became bored of her. I also commend Kirkman for not milking an extra issue out of this team-bonding chapter, and in a way I almost wish I could have gotten that. Leaving the reader begging for more is the true task of a good writer. While the "team uniforms" at the end are a little plain, with minor ways to distinguise each character, the point was to show them unifying, and it was done. I wonder if the ending will be something like GLA #4, with them all basically saving their universe, but no one knowing it. Heck, because this is a time/dimensional thing, the heroes themselves may not even remember.
But y'know what? I got more of a kick out of this MTU arc than I did for HOM, DEADLY GENESIS, heck, even a few issues of INFINITE CRISIS. Few writers would not only base 4 issues on all these C-Listers, but also write them ACCURATELY (or damn close) while still treating them with dignity, but Kirkman does. Slott and Vaughan, in other books, do too. And the fact that despite sales, Marvel seems set to debut another arc of this come MTU is music to my ears.
This is the best run of MARVEL TEAM-UP I have ever read, quite frankly (and trust me, I got enjoyment from the older issues I would raid from back issue bins as a kid), and it doesn't get nearly enough support. Just a great issue of a great arc; Kirkman's best on the title so far. It will be hard to top, and my expectations are high for the climax. Hopefully it will deliver. Oh, and of course, Paco Medina's art was still solid.
It IS slightly "convient" that the assembled heroes just happen to luck out and the Chronometer is not hard to program, happen to run into Mutant 2099 and his mentor Reed, who just happens to have made that device that Chronok would inevitably steal, and so on. As I mentioned, Kirkman's choice to actually write X-23 as a human girl with actual emotions and wit, alas, is "inaccurate", not that I mind. And I suppose fans of Arana would have a right to feel irked that they were jerked around with her getting billing in two solicts and covers, only for her to die rather quickly and only her arm, on Terror's body, being a major factor in the arc.
But I am enjoying the arc so much that none of this matters. Sure, the story's not the most original out there, but it's been very entertaining, and if that verdict was good enough for DANGER, it is good enough here.
- I like how the tone isn't all "goofy" or "dark" but seems varied. Some moments are light and some are dark (like the characters reacting to the chaos, or Reed/Chad mentioning the possibility of them being fated to die). In the end, I'm just looking foward to the showdown with Chronok and I'm rooting for this guys like I never have before. I really do hope they go down as "Marvel Knights Avengers 2099".
Considering that every business report I seem to read claims that Marvel's comic sales barely amount to 35% of their gross every year, they could afford to be a little patient with books at times, to see if they develop an audience. Remember, even THE X-FILES took over a season to find steam.
But, yes, the April solict for MTU #19 indicates that at least at the moment, Marvel plans to keep the book around for another arc, likely because Kirkman's one of their "Ten Terrific" writers they want to amp up. But hey, good that they'd amp a writer who deserves it for a change.
You betcha MTU deserves it. Frankly, considering the start of the next arc has a Wolverine/Cable team up from April's solict of MTU #19, that would be a good time to give it the sort of drive that HOWLING COMMANDOES got; y'know, 3 page previews in a slew of books to remind people the book exists.
It also may help MTU if something really major happened there. Of course, ROGUE ended with some major changes happening to Rogue and no one bothered with that book. I mean like maybe Cable gains a new toy or something that carries over to his own book.
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). The story supposedly sets up a new arc, which implies that MTU will be around another 4-6 issues, which is about how long arcs last these days. 
