The Official Marvel Team Up Thread

[Dread]

Just read it and loved it! Have to admit; when i read the premise a few months back, i was unimpressed, but Kirkman definitely pulled me in from the get go with the actual debut.

Minor nitpicks; Chronok is ok, but his soldier's outfits look almost exactly like the original Wonder Man costume Simon Williams wore back in the day...and i cant help but think that Kang would have been a more logical antagonist for this story.

All in all though, a very good start.

Kang already had a go in YOUNG AVENGERS, and I am glad to not see him again. I am not a fan of characters who spent years in limbo suddenly showing up in about 2-7 damned books within four months, like "enhanced Skrulls" and Silver Samurai and Rhino and the Wrecking Crew have done. Besides, time travel is a wiggy subject and Kang is very complicated. Plus, maybe Kirkman feels it is easier to create new villians than to risk using old ones that he may "get wrong" (I noticed some people not caring for his Doc Ock from last issue, for instance). He can do anything to characters he creates and not get flack for it.

And, well, Marvel needs new characters to keep older ones from being reused a hundred times. For instance, the next time someone wants a super-skrull, they can maybe just use Titannus.

Besides, since Chronok seems obsessed with data of past heroes, maybe the resemblance to the original Wonder Man is intentional.

It is a good story, and damn if he isn't efficient. He doesn't preach or preen, until AFTER he wins the battle, not before, or during. I haven't seen an efficient rogue like that outside of DAREDEVIL or PUNISHER in ages.

 

[Zoken]

maybe Chronok is Kang... you never know.

 

[Dread]

maybe Chronok is Kang... you never know.

I know Kang's had a few alternate time travel identities/ancestors such as Rama-Tut and Immortus, but would he really pose as a whole new character?

Titannus proved that Kirkman's ready and willing to add new baddies to the MU, and I'm kind of hoping that Chronok continues this trend. True, as a bad guy he seems rather simplistic, but we'll have a few issues to delve into him as the heroes assemble about him.

Now; any possible theories on our andriod lady?

Still, this book easily has me more rivetted right now than most of Marvel's official "event" books. Shame MTU doesn't sell well.

 

[Zoken]

I can't wait to see how he brings in Dagger (Especially since in Runaways she's been beaten into a coma so is this before or after that?). no clue on the android lady.

Kang is a tyrant from a great deal in the future... couldn't Chronok be an earlier persona he set up for himself, before he became Kang, after he was Ironlad, he was CHRONOS... sorry, that got away from me there.

 

[iloveclones]

Yeah, I hope he truly is just a new character. There would be no reason for it to be Kang. Chronok is a pretty silly name, though.

I have to admit, Dread, I have no idea who the android might be, although I like your Livewire guess.

 

[deemar325]

Just read it and loved it! Have to admit; when i read the premise a few months back, i was unimpressed, but Kirkman definitely pulled me in from the get go with the actual debut.

Minor nitpicks; Chronok is ok, but his soldier's outfits look almost exactly like the original Wonder Man costume Simon Williams wore back in the day...and i cant help but think that Kang would have been a more logical antagonist for this story.

All in all though, a very good start.

You might have offered up a peice of the puzzle with your post, I noticed the WM look also.

 

[Dread]

I can't wait to see how he brings in Dagger (Especially since in Runaways she's been beaten into a coma so is this before or after that?). no clue on the android lady.

Kang is a tyrant from a great deal in the future... couldn't Chronok be an earlier persona he set up for himself, before he became Kang, after he was Ironlad, he was CHRONOS... sorry, that got away from me there.

I am also wondering about Dagger myself; it certainly raises the head of continuity issues as she's been in a coma for the last 2 months of RUNAWAYS. I didn't forget to mention it in my earlier review. Even if Kirkman does well with her, an error is an error, even if it wasn't intentional. If I'm hard on Bendis, I have to be hard on everyone else. Otherwise posters will think I have an "agenda". Of course, Bendis is Marvel's #1 writer writing their #1 selling books, while Kirkman here is on one of their worst selling titles (MTU is barely in the Top 100).

Good thinking on Kang, but I just don't care for Kang and I would rather Chronok be an original character. I mean, can't there be other dangerous time-travellers other than Kang? Two members of RUNAWAYS' Pride were some. Besides, isn't Chronok black? I've never seen Kang take on the form of a black guy, even if with his armor, he likely could. But we'll see what Kirkman makes of it.

Chronok's no better or worse a name than I have heard from countless other comic book characters.

As for my LIVEWIRES guess, that was only a stretch as I never read the series, but considering it's manga style, I was figuring it could have been a fun reference to the 12 people who bought it.

 

[iloveclones]

As for my LIVEWIRES guess, that was only a stretch as I never read the series, but considering it's manga style, I was figuring it could have been a fun reference to the 12 people who bought it.

I bought the first one

 

[DBM]

I bought the first one

I bought the first two issues and they seemed to be pretty much the same thing in each issue. So I dropped it. I picked up the digest when it came out and overall teh story turned out to be pretty good.

 

[Doc Destruction]

I bought them all...LOVED the ending. Very cool use of the scientific baddies in the MU. And if the person mentioned in MTU turns out to be Gothic Lolita, I may wet myself.

 

[iloveclones]

I bought the first two issues and they seemed to be pretty much the same thing in each issue. So I dropped it. I picked up the digest when it came out and overall teh story turned out to be pretty good.

I'm glad you mentioned that it came out in digests. I was going to get some for some of my nieces and nephews (Gravity, Runaways, etc.) and might just add this if I can find it. Has the digest been out a while?

 

[DBM]

I'm glad you mentioned that it came out in digests. I was going to get some for some of my nieces and nephews (Gravity, Runaways, etc.) and might just add this if I can find it. Has the digest been out a while?

I month or two I think. I don't really remember when I bought it.

I'm doing the same thing for my nieces and nephews this Christmas.

 

[iloveclones]

I month or two I think. I don't really remember when I bought it.

I'm doing the same thing for my nieces and nephews this Christmas.

I'll accept any recommends in this area outside the usual suspects (Runaways, Spider-Girl, etc)

 

[DBM]

I'll accept any recommends in this area outside the usual suspects (Runaways, Spider-Girl, etc)

Those are the ones I'm going with.

My nephew (13 yrs old) is getting the first three Runaways digests, the Spider-Man/Human Torch digest, and the first two Essential Spider-Man volumes.

My niece (12 yrs old) is getting the first two Mary Jane digests, the first two Spider-Girl digests and the first two Arana digests.

My other nephew (10 yrs old) is getting three of the Marvel Age Spider-Man digests and three of the Marvel Age Fantastic Four digests.

I'm going fairly Spidey-centric because he's the character that they know the most about and Spider-Man was what got me hooked on comics back in the day. I'm buying the Arana digests for my niece even though I didn't think they were that good. Mainly because these kids are half-Hispanic, their mother is Mexican, so it might actually be worthwhile for them to see a hispanic character.

They're also getting the rule that they have to let their siblings read their comics as well.

 

[iloveclones]

I don't read Arana either, but I buy it for my girl-friend's daughter. She loves it, so they may like it more than you think. She loves those MJ titles also.

The Spidey/HT is a good one. I didn't realize that was out in digests either, so I'll have to look for that one.

No Gravity? Nothing real original there, but pretty entertaining, and has a fair amount of MU guest stars.

 

[Dread]

I'd recommend GRAVITY, only because I read it and between it and MACHINE TEEN, the two titles from the "Marvel Next" line that I bought, I preferred the former. Sure, it's predictable, but it's a fun superhero story without all the convelution, the hyper-senstive online debates, "events", or other things that get in the way of these sorts of things. You can only fault it so much for setting out on its agenda and doing it well. I could see young, unjaded, innocent fans really enjoying the story.

Arana will also be showing up in this storyarc, too. Never read the book, but I read her profile in the WOMEN OF MARVEL 2005 Handbook, so I know enough to get by.

My only concern is the timing of this tale for Dagger is really off considering RUNAWAYS. But, it's likely going to be a time travel story, and those always have some sort of errors. Besides, Cloak's been getting a bit of play solo in HOM and RUNAWAYS, so maybe it's "equal time" for Dagger to get some. She's not been solo since that MARVEL KNIGHTS comic from, like, 2-4 years ago.

 

[RockSP]

There's no need to assume this story and the Runaways story take place at the same time...

 

[iloveclones]

And there's always the possibility that Dagger comes out of her coma by the end of the Runaways story (or some other plot twist)

 

[Dread]

And there's always the possibility that Dagger comes out of her coma by the end of the Runaways story (or some other plot twist)

Well, yeah, Dagger's coma won't be indefinate.

I only mention the continuity thing because, well, you know it'd be an issue if it was a bigger event book. Trying to be fair. I mean, yes, we have 90% of Marvel's Heroes being slaughtered both on and off panel, so of course this story sort of has its own continuity.

More interested in the rest of the story than on a minor error or issue, though.

A cover solict for some part of the story in the future seemed to hint that Chad Channing, from MUTANT 2099 may be showing up too; no surprise since he was also created by Kirkman.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Did anyone else find it odd that Speedball apparently got the ******ed future psycho-killer squad? He hides in a building when they're right on his tail and they just give up.

Also, that line about Wolverine being "the only one strong enough to survive that explosion" very nearly made my blood boil. It's not a big deal, I know, but come on. Sentry? Iron Man? Anyone remember them? I would think a man with the power of a thousand suns could survive an explosion better than an otherwise normal guy with a healing factor and a second-rate imitation of Cap's shield bonded to his bones.

The story as a whole seems like it'll be fun when the "losers" eventually meet up, though. Paco Medina's art is a great fit for this book, too. Not too serious but still good enough to be taken seriously when it's called for. He felt really awkward on Thor during the King Thor stuff, but I'm glad he made his way over to MTU.

 

[Cyclops]

I didn't find it odd. He's Speedball, they're seriously not worried about him.

Though I do find it odd that people confuse a burly black man with Kang. Kang is neither burly nor black.

 

[KingOfDreams]

This new arc got off to a great start. I'm even willing to overlook my antipathy towards Medina's art.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I didn't find it odd. He's Speedball, they're seriously not worried about him.

Though I do find it odd that people confuse a burly black man with Kang. Kang is neither burly nor black.

Well, they cared enough about Excelsior to wipe them out pretty completely. It just seemed odd to me that they gave up so easily.

 

[Cyclops]

He's just Speedball. That's the whole point of this arc. That the heroes, the guys who are supposed to save the world, are the guys that nobody thinks much anything of.

Or absolutely hates, like X-23 and Arana.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I know that's the point of the arc, but I'm saying the situation wasn't presented very well. They even chased Darkhawk down, and Darkhawk's even less of a threat than Speedball. Speedball's actually done some pretty decent damage in his time. It would've made more sense to have Speedball come back from a pizza run or something and find the other Warriors dead and the future dudes gone.