The Official Marvel Team Up Thread

TheCorpulent1 said:
Also, that line about Wolverine being "the only one strong enough to survive that explosion" very nearly made my blood boil. It's not a big deal, I know, but come on. Sentry? Iron Man? Anyone remember them? I would think a man with the power of a thousand suns could survive an explosion better than an otherwise normal guy with a healing factor and a second-rate imitation of Cap's shield bonded to his bones. :(
I may have mentioned this above, but yeah, I agree. Sentry and Iron Man are both physically tougher than Wolverine. The problem is that his "healing factor", or ANYONE's healing factor who isn't the Lizard within the past 10 years has been redefined as either "miraculous regeneration" or "pseudo invulnerability", or in some instances both.

Maybe Chronok deemed Wolverine as the "toughest" because perhaps even in the future, he's overrated. :p

It did seem odd that Chronok's men easily gave up on Speedball while they more actively persued Darkhawk, but there are some factors to explain it:

1). As Cyclops and others have stated, and as some of those men in LA stated themselves, any hero who wasn't on their data files they are dismissing because, they assume, that if they weren't powerful or popular enough to "make history", then they can't be much of a threat.

2). Darkhawk obviously looks more menacing than Speedball does, and therefore may elicit more of a hostile response.

3). Even under the "nameless clone rule" of Chronok's expendable henchmen, not everyone is the same; maybe Excelsior got a group of more aggressive, professional sort of people while the New Warrior's squad got some slackers.

4). As to whom is more "powerful" is a debateable point, but a moot one, as neither Speedball or Darkhawk offered much resistance before retreating Which, if you've been reading RUNAWAYS, seems slightly OOC for Darkhawk, as in the first few issues he seemed to "break down" and instantly get hostile whenever his allies got attacked (such as when Nico used a spell to dismantle Turbo). Therefore, seeing him instantly flee rather than fight after his WHOLE TEAM was slaughtered seemed a little iffy, even if it was needed to further the plot. But enjoying Bendis works requires suspending a lot more disbelief than that, so I'll forgive it from Kirkman. For now.

5). The squad of Chronokian soldiers (can I use that term?) that attacked the New Warriors were based in New York, the NEXUS of Marvel superheroes, and therefore they were likely overworked. How much time could they spend chasing down Speedball (an unknown hero) when about 90% of all of Marvel's heroes, including their bigger listers, are in NY and are presumably launching counterattacks off panel (something mentioned to Chronok personally). Meanwhile, the squad that attacked Excelsior was in LA, an area that is MUCH less superhero dense. They had more time to pursue Darkhawk because there were less general heroes in the area to oppose them. I mean, aside for Excelsior, the Runaways and maybe the Shroud (who poses as a supervillian and was last seen moving to New York anyway), how many heroes are around California? Are there nearly as many as in New York? No.
 
that whole thing about Killing Sentry with a f**king bomb was the only thing that I didn't dig about the issue.
 
Anubis said:
that whole thing about Killing Sentry with a f**king bomb was the only thing that I didn't dig about the issue.
Uh...maybe it was some kinda FUTURISTIC bomb?

Yeah, I agree. The bad-arseness of Chronok and his minions is cool, it is just a shame that going about it with simple laser blasters and bombs sort of looks boring by typical comic standards. The only "creative" death was Cage's, which was downright disturbing to see.

Maybe some explaination like, "all our 27th century tech is designed specifically to evaporate your DNA" or something, it would have swallowed a little better.

Of course, weapons from the future are always "jacked".
 
The bomb thing didn't bother me. I could've easily understood it under the logic of, "Ok, it's a futuristic bomb that's capable of destroying even the Sentry and Iron Man in one fell swoop." But that Wolverine line ruined the whole thing.
 
TheCorpulent1 said:
The bomb thing didn't bother me. I could've easily understood it under the logic of, "Ok, it's a futuristic bomb that's capable of destroying even the Sentry and Iron Man in one fell swoop." But that Wolverine line ruined the whole thing.
Yeah, I won't disagree, because it did. Wolverine's not THAT tough. Hell, I remember when well aimed bullets could cause him problems. Of course, that was back before he became "big" and morphed into a parody of what used to make him cool, but I digress.

Like I said, maybe Wolverine was just "overrated" in the future. :p It would make a good in-joke, much like the one with the X-Men.
 
Heh, yeah, the X-Men joke was funny. :D Anyway, I'm looking forward to the rest of the arc despite the rough patches in this issue. I'm not even a big fan of time travel stories that will obviously end in retcons, but the losers should make this one worthwhile. I'm just waiting for Terror, Inc. to show up.
 
Not usually a fan of time travel stories, either, especially since they are all predictable in that they are excuses to go on slaughtering sprees with impunity, something not even Young Avengers could get past (seemingly Cap, Iron Man and Jewel would have died, along with most of the other Avengers, with Iron Lad mucking the timestream). But, again, there have been good and bad time stories, so I'll give Kirkman a chance. Plus, the book's usually a hoot about 90% of the time, so I'll let some things slide. If it was Marvel's #1 book like NEW AVENGERS is, I'd be harder on it. But it's selling in the 90's every month. No need to kick it while it's down.
 
MTU sales went slightly up last month.

MARVEL TEAM-UP #13 $2.99 21,048
MARVEL TEAM-UP #14 $2.99 26,200

October sales
November sales

Sadly I don't think that will hold up, even I dropped the title (at least for the duration of this time travel silliness). :o
 
That bump was due to the Invincible crossover. The more interesting number will be next month when we see if any of those people stuck around. I kinda doubt it, but we'll see.

And c'mon euroq, take one for the team (I'll buy something you like!)
 
iloveclones said:
And c'mon euroq, take one for the team (I'll buy something you like!)

You probably already get every book that I do. :)

How many issues is this current arc anyway? I'll be back after it's over.
 
euroq said:
How many issues is this current arc anyway? I'll be back after it's over.

It was only for that one issue! Since it's a time travel story, they're going to do the ending in 10 years, and figure no-one will mind. So go ahead and buy the next issue. You should be fine.........

Bad 'clones!


:O
 
MTU sold at #93 in October and #79 in November, huh? I sure hope that "bump" lasts, because a 14 point gain is notable for a non-blockbuster title (even if it should be).

I don't like time travel stories a whole lot either, but I'm definately jazzed! Especially if Kirkman doesn't cave and make Chronok into Kang...can't we have TWO time-travelling warrior guys? Besides, Chronok's actually efficient. :rolleyes:
 
Well, either way it's a good thing. So, hopefully Marvel Team Up keeps it up in the sales department and maybe one of the crack smoking people over there will finally realize, "Oh, maybe we should be writing all our Marvel books like this instead of 'Internet breaking and earth shattering events'".

We'll see. But I doubt it. But I can hope. :(
 
It would help if Marvel actively promoted MTU, RUNAWAYS and some of their other low selling books at least HALF as much as they promoted HOWLING COMMANDOES for Halloween Month.
 
Yeah, I'm with you on that one. That Howling Commandos preview was one of the single most annoying things in the entire world. It made me NOT want to buy the book. Same thing with that Franklin Richards book. They need to...you know...preview SOMETHING GOOD!!! :eek:
 
Bumping this topic because MTU #16 came out today, and I REALLY enjoyed it!
MARVEL TEAM-UP #16: Very easily the best comic out this week, Kirkman really kicks it up a notch in "Legue of Losers" Part 2, with solid art from Medina, who seems better at drawing the sort of high paced action that Kirkman wants than Collins was, at least to me. The full "League" is assembled as
Terror, Inc is introduced in the middle of the fray between Chronok's soldiers and Speedball & Gravity. Kirkman's dialogue with Terror is darkly hysterical and easily makes him memorable. The cast is quickly assembled (Arana, X-23, Sleepwalker, and Dagger, along with fresh-from-California Darkhawk) and they quickly are overwhelmed by their enemies as they struggle to stay alive in the heat of war. The action is about as tense as one would expect from this sort of senerio. Chronok finally gets in his moment to brag, which I guess is understandable about how he's beaten every single hero in MU already, but thanks to Terror and Speedball, they manage to escape into the sewers. Surprisingly, one member of the roster is quickly dispatched with as Speedball shockingly tries to save her, only to be left with her arm (which Terror quickly attaches to his body to replace his own arm, and gaining whatever powers or skills it had). The general plotline is pretty typical, however; Speedball's grabbed Chronok's time device and they all figure to travel into the future before Chronok invaded to stop the mess from ever happening. Standard time stuff, really. The enjoyable part of the story is in the cast of D-listers present and seeing them united for survival, or lack thereof. Purists may note that Kirkman seems a little off with writing X-23, if only because he has her react emotionally like a normal teenage girl when the "hook" of the character is that she is almost emotionless and expressionless due to genetic tampering, which says leagues about the "character" herself. Y'know, when a writer can have her react emotionally like a real person might and that's considered INACCURATE? The band of miscasts are quickly met in the future, presumably MARVEL KNIGHTS 2099 from about 2-3 years ago, by another Kirkman creation, Mutant 2099. Way to toot your own horn, pal.
Anyway, this was easily worth the anticipation for me, and I eagerly await the next issue like no other before. MTU has really grown on me since I hopped on at issue #7 and has improved greatly since the first 6 issues, a shame it sells so terribly.

So, let's get chattin'!
 
Again, I don't get s**t until Tuesday. I gotta start going to comic shops agian. :( The wait is killing me.
 
Anubis said:
Again, I don't get s**t until Tuesday. I gotta start going to comic shops agian. :( The wait is killing me.
I'll bet. Oh, well, I can wait. ;)
 
So, anyone who read this feel like commenting? That's what this topic is for.
 
I loved it. Along with Slott, Kirkman ranks up there as Marvel's best. I was shocked to see Arana go so quickly... you'd think a longer appearance in this story could have tweaked up the sales on her own book. Chronok taking a bullet to the noggin during his "let the villain rant about his big plan" rant was hilarious. I'm not familiar with Mutant 2099 (I heard he was a Kirkman creation... correct me if I'm wrong), but the next issue looks even more promising. My knowledge of the 2099 Universe is pretty limited to Spidey. Nonetheless, this story is shaping up to be one of Marvel's best stories in a long time, and I don't particularly care for any of these D-listers (ok, ok... I like Speedball :o ). And as usual, the artwork was nice. :)

:)
 
Well, no D-Listers from my favorites here, but we'll see how things turn out. they should have gone to Wisconsin if they wanted to hide from Super-hero hunters. I mean, c'mon. The GLX is probably watching all of this on the news thinking "Huh..." Look out window. "Oh c'mon now, we at least rate one guy!"
 
Themanofbat said:
I loved it. Along with Slott, Kirkman ranks up there as Marvel's best. I was shocked to see Arana go so quickly... you'd think a longer appearance in this story could have tweaked up the sales on her own book. Chronok taking a bullet to the noggin during his "let the villain rant about his big plan" rant was hilarious. I'm not familiar with Mutant 2099 (I heard he was a Kirkman creation... correct me if I'm wrong), but the next issue looks even more promising. My knowledge of the 2099 Universe is pretty limited to Spidey. Nonetheless, this story is shaping up to be one of Marvel's best stories in a long time, and I don't particularly care for any of these D-listers (ok, ok... I like Speedball :o ). And as usual, the artwork was nice. :)

:)
- Yes, Mutant 2099 was made by Kirkman. He wrote the one-shot comic of the same name for Marvel's "MARVEL KNIGHTS 2099" 5th week event back in 2004. The Marvel Knights 2099 universe was apparently not connected to the 2099 Universe that ran during the 90's, as noted in Marvel's OFFICIAL HANDBOOK OF THE MARVEL UNIVERSE: ALTERNATE REALITIES 2005. Both are seperate universes. Kirkman will likely give a run down of that issue and that world in MTU #17.

- I was also surprised that
Arana would die so quickly, but in a way part of her will continue on the adventure; Terror gains whatever abilities, either physical or mystical, of whatever limb/body part he attaches to his body. Arana had enhanced strength and prowess, and her "carapice armor" spread from her spider tattoo, which is the arm Terror has. I am expecting him to use her abilities at some point. Plus, her quick death added some harsh reality to the tense situation, that just because this was a time-travel story didn't mean that the cast for the tale is spared. Plus, Arana's title was also given the axe recently, and MTU sells even lower than that did.

- Kirkman is quickly proving to be one of Marvel's best, in a league that includes Slott, Vaughan, and Heinberg. All writers, curiously, able to handle team dynamics and superhero epics very well, but are given no access to major titles or mini's that are about precisely this. Slott and Vaughan are almost natural with a Spider-title, for instance. Heinberg proved he could hold his own in co-writing a key arc of JLA, but he'll be nowhere near, say, NEW AVENGERS, a title that desperately needs some life.
 
Dread said:
Slott and Vaughan are almost natural with a Spider-title, for instance. Heinberg proved he could hold his own in co-writing a key arc of JLA, but he'll be nowhere near, say, NEW AVENGERS, a title that desperately needs some life.

While I haven't read it, I heard Vaughan's Spidey/Doc Ock Negative Exposure mini was rather weak.

:confused:

But I would LOVE to see Slott on a regular Spider-Man title, especially after reading his Spidey/Human Torch mini.

He does his Spidey homework like Busiek did for Untold Tales... :up:

:)
 
Themanofbat said:
While I haven't read it, I heard Vaughan's Spidey/Doc Ock Negative Exposure mini was rather weak.
I hadn't read that, either. But part of it could have been the art, or the fact that it seemed churned out really quickly like a lot of Doc Ock stories that year to capitilize on the SPIDER-MAN 2 movie.

Expect a few Sandman stories for SPIDER-MAN 3 in 2007, and Venom too if the rumors hold up. Marvel won't be able to help themselves.

But I would LOVE to see Slott on a regular Spider-Man title, especially after reading his Spidey/Human Torch mini.

He does his Spidey homework like Busiek did for Untold Tales... :up:

:)
Agreed!:up:
 
my favorite ultimate marvel team-up is easily #6-8, but that's only cause i'm biased towards the punisher as my favorite marvel character... ever. anyway, it's the first time that spider-man, the punisher, and daredevil cross paths in the ultimate universe and i definitely enjoyed the refreshing take on all 3 of these characters.

but lets move on to BUISNESS. these three team-up issues are very hard to find, but NOT ANY LONGER!! i am selling all three issues for a very reasonable price, so won't you please check it out? i also have ULTIMATE SPIDER-MAN #1, ULTIMATE X-MEN #1, and ULTIMATE SPIDER-MAN SUPER SPECTACULAR #1 up for sale, so there's really no reason for you to not check out these insanely amazing auctions.
 

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