The Official Michael Shannon IS General Zod - Part 1

[KalMart]

Perfect and what I wanted all along. And Kal, sorry to say that but your idea for Superman being a genetic experiment is terrible. HATE IT. No offense but Superman doesnt need that much of a drastic change.

It's more of an alternate idea than something I could see working for an 'official' Supes movie. Or one great big lie that Zod tries to pull on Supes.

 

[RoughNTumble]

if zod/ursa/whoever dies in this movie, the sequel could be called 'last son of krypton'

unless they introduce kara

oh wait she's a girl. so I guess he'd still be the last son.

 

[RoughNTumble]

I'm reading through superman: last son right now--and even though it really is kind of an expansion of donner's zod, it's really got me interested in seeing that rumored 'expansive kryptonian mythology.' How they dress, krypton's look, the language, the technology, all of it. And if they are focusing so heavily on krypton, zod is certainly a solid choice of villain. Sure, some people might think the idea of revisiting zod is tired, but I really can't wait to see just how different it's gonna be.

 

[KalMart]

if zod/ursa/whoever dies in this movie, the sequel could be called 'last son of krypton'

unless they introduce kara

oh wait she's a girl. so I guess he'd still be the last son.

Which would make her the last daughter? Would they be the last cousins...twice removed?

 

[RoughNTumble]

Kara...we must attempt to procreate....for the sake of our race!!!

 

[KalMart]

Kara...we must attempt to procreate....for the sake of our race!!!

Would that be a commentary on how close most comic fans get to having a girlfriend, if that's a running theme? Wonder Twins and all that?

 

[jthom19802]

Kara...we must attempt to procreate....for the sake of our race!!!

I've seen that sex scene you perv.

 

[RoughNTumble]

It could be the next major DC event.

 

[Mig-El]

Another Sunday, another casting news. I don't know much about Michael Shannon, but I love Zod.

 

[DrMylesOBoogie]

I'm very worried about this film now. I really don't wan't another Superman movie to fail but I fear that this like SR is not going to grab the general publics interest. SR (despite being awful) was released to over enthusiastic, glowing reviews but that didn't translate box office wise. Reason I credit for that is because it had nothing new to offer an audience. Take Star Trek for instance. Had a kick a** trailer and was a massive hit.

A different villian with a cool power that the general public haven't seen in the trailer would grab an audience better. I hope I'm wrong and this films a big hit but right now I'm getting a bad feeling.

 

[KalMart]

I'm very worried about this film now. I really don't wan't another Superman movie to fail but I fear that this like SR is not going to grab the general publics interest. SR (despite being awful) was released to over enthusiastic, glowing reviews but that didn't translate box office wise. Reason I credit for that is because it had nothing new to offer an audience. Take Star Trek for instance. Had a kick a** trailer and was a massive hit.

A different villian with a cool power that the general public haven't seen in the trailer would grab an audience better. I hope I'm wrong and this films a big hit but right now I'm getting a bad feeling.

'Glowing' reviews for SR?

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/superman_returns/

 

[Dark_Lord]

I'm very worried about this film now. I really don't wan't another Superman movie to fail but I fear that this like SR is not going to grab the general publics interest. SR (despite being awful) was released to over enthusiastic, glowing reviews but that didn't translate box office wise. Reason I credit for that is because it had nothing new to offer an audience. Take Star Trek for instance. Had a kick a** trailer and was a massive hit.

A different villian with a cool power that the general public haven't seen in the trailer would grab an audience better. I hope I'm wrong and this films a big hit but right now I'm getting a bad feeling.

Zod was in a Superman movie....31 (32 when MoS gets released) years ago. I don't think the general public remembers him that much and if they do, I doubt they care. Besides, this is going to be a different version of Zod and not the same one from Superman II. As for cool powers...Zod has the same powers as Superman. Then there's also the technology that they didn't have back then.

IMO, the choice of villain isn't what's going to make this movie good or bad. It's only the fans that complain about Zod.

 

[elgaz]

I don't really understand much of the Zod dislike.

He's one of the big Superman villains, up there with Luthor and Brainiac. Luthor has been done to death, but Zod hasn't.

Did people complain when Nolan chose to have Joker, Harvey Dent or Ra's Al Ghul in his Batman films? In the Superman world, Zod is every bit as important a villain as they are to Batman.

In fact, he's arguably the perfect Superman villain - pretty much identical to Superman on a power level, but with none of his compassion or love for the human race. They have this unique bond that they're both survivors of the same race, but one is power hungry and military minded whilst the other has been raised on a farm with strong moral values and whose only hunger is for peace and liberty. They are polar opposites in their approach to things, and it's always been this which has provided the intense friction between Superman and Zod ......... yet also a unique understanding of each other.

 

[TheLongestDay]

A quickie...sans goatee

 

[KalMart]

I don't really understand much of the Zod dislike.

He's one of the big Superman villains, up there with Luthor and Brainiac. Luthor has been done to death, but Zod hasn't.

Did people complain when Nolan chose to have Joker, Harvey Dent or Ra's Al Ghul in his Batman films? In the Superman world, Zod is every bit as important a villain as they are to Batman.

In fact, he's arguably the perfect Superman villain - pretty much identical to Superman on a power level, but with none of his compassion or love for the human race. They have this unique bond that they're both survivors of the same race, but one is power hungry and military minded whilst the other has been raised on a farm with strong moral values and whose only hunger is for peace and liberty. They are polar opposites in their approach to things, and it's always been this which has provided the intense friction between Superman and Zod ......... yet also a unique understanding of each other.

Aside from Darth Vader, I doubt there are any villains that are as attractive for re-apperances/reinterpretations as the Joker for movie audiences. I don't see Zod as being at that level, despite his comic history/status. Heck, even with Luthor...Supes' main arch-enemy...lots of people are sick of him even though we've only gotten one (basically) potrayal.


circa 2007:

 

[Herolee10]

I'm honestly still trying to figure as to why so many people have a issue with Zod.

As I recall, no one had problems with Joker being used in TDK, and given that this film is a reintroduction towards the General Audience, I would imagine that Zod would be presented in a different light than he was in Donner's film.

Furthermore, IF this film really is a Origin story, then Zod would serve as a perfect villain imho that would present enough of a challenge for Superman as his first main villain that he encounters.

Honestly, the problem with using Brainiac is that he's too big of a villain for Superman to face in his early days imho, and he deserves to have a film where his introduction isn't crowded up with Superman's origin story.

Furthermore, which villain would they use then for the sequel that could top Brainiac unless it was Darkseid? And IF Darkseid was used in the second film, who could they use that would top him in the third film?

If Zod was used in the second film, then it would gain more negative reviews of being similar to SII.

 

[Zionite]

You all are missing the piont.Why are fans against Zod?Its because Superman rogues gallery has been underused.Take a look at Bats.80%of his rogue gallery have appeared on film and thats why Batman is allowed to rehash villains-it kinda has to.Superman on the other hand has only 2 villains appear- Zod and Luthor.Theres a great host of villains that remain underused.
And dont tell me Zod is the only powerful villain that can be tied to supermans origin.Braniac fits the bill perfectly and whats more hes a new villain.Braniac could be potraued a kryptonian AI or Coluan scientist responsible for Kryptons destruction.There hes tied up with Supermans origin.For the life of me i cant figure out why they would choose Zod over Braniac except they wanted to play it safe.So much for staying away from Donner.
My hopes for this movie have dropped considerably.The only thing that would raise them is if this potryal of Zod is drastically different from Donners,Im talking along the lines of Russian Zod.
God?ZOD!
Why couldnt they go the Batman Begins route?use unused villains for the first film and establish it as its own franchise instaed of picing Zod so you can market it with the nostalgic Kneel before Zod.
I dont blame Snyder for this-This is all Nolan and Goyer.Geoff Johns too as he is a Donner fanboy.

 

[Herolee10]

You all are missing the piont.Why are fans against Zod?Its because Superman rogues gallery has been underused.Take a look at Bats.80%of his rogue gallery have appeared on film and thats why Batman is allowed to rehash villains-it kinda has to.Superman on the other hand has only 2 villains appear- Zod and Luthor.Theres a great host of villains that remain underused.
And dont tell me Zod is the only powerful villain that can be tied to supermans origin.Braniac fits the bill perfectly and whats more hes a new villain.Braniac could be potraued a kryptonian AI or Coluan scientist responsible for Kryptons destruction.There hes tied up with Supermans origin.For the life of me i cant figure out why they would choose Zod over Braniac except they wanted to play it safe.So much for staying away from Donner.
My hopes for this movie have dropped considerably.The only thing that would raise them is if this potryal of Zod is drastically different from Donners,Im talking along the lines of Russian Zod.
God?ZOD!
Why couldnt they go the Batman Begins route?use unused villains for the first film and establish it as its own franchise instaed of picing Zod so you can market it with the nostalgic Kneel before Zod.
I dont blame Snyder for this-This is all Nolan and Goyer.Geoff Johns too as he is a Donner fanboy.

Other than brainiac, who else could have been used for this film that could challenge Superman mentally and physically?

Darkseid? Mongul? The likes of their characters would solely be appropriate for sequels, not origins films imho.

Plus imho, Zod could be better used to challenge Superman's arrival on the public scene than Brainiac could do imho since he's a kryptonian as well, and could easily warp public opinion to think that Superman is no better than Zod.

 

[DrMylesOBoogie]

The Joker appeals to the masses in a way Zod never will. For this film to capture the general publics imagination it has to offer them a Superman film more exciting then anything they've seen. A new villian would have helped.

 

[Zionite]

Other than brainiac, who else could have been used for this film that could challenge Superman mentally and physically?

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Intergang and/or Metallo and/or Parasite and/or Encatadora and/or Kalibak and/or Neutron.All could be used in origin movies if developed well.
I notice you asked other than Braniac which means you agree that Branaic could be used in an origin movie.So why didnt they use him!Thats what im *****ing about

 

[Herolee10]

The Joker appeals to the masses in a way Zod never will. For this film to capture the general publics imagination it has to offer them a Superman film more exciting then anything they've seen. A new villian would have helped.

Truth be told, I don't think they'll be capitalizing on who's Superman's antagonist in this film, so much as how they will on possibly exploring parts in Clark's journey towards becoming Superman that the GA has never seen before.

The thing that I remember people being excited about Batman Begins the most was how the film would actually have its titular character be the central focus of the film for once, and not the villains. And most, if not all of the villains weren't well known by the GA as they were by comic book fans.

The thing that made BB great was that it was the first film that gave audiences a reason to really care about Batman and what made him into the man that he's famously known for being by the GA.

I think MOS may be trying to approach that route as well.

 

[Nathan]

Good Lord... Zod... out of all people.

 

[RoughNTumble]

Truth be told, I don't think they'll be capitalizing on who's Superman's antagonist in this film, so much as how they will on possibly exploring parts in Clark's journey towards becoming Superman that the GA has never seen before.

The thing that I remember people being excited about Batman Begins the most was how the film would actually have its titular character be the central focus of the film for once, and not the villains. And most, if not all of the villains weren't well known by the GA as they were by comic book fans.

The thing that made BB great was that it was the first film that gave audiences a reason to really care about Batman and what made him into the man that he's famously known for being by the GA.

I think MOS may be trying to approach that route as well.

Yeah, this.

In present day, most of the younger generations have not seen superman the movie, and compared to the standard that most modern day blockbusters live up to, I don't imagine they'd be terribly impressed by it. I know I wasn't. It's campy and outdated. This is going to be the movie that re-connects the public with superman, and makes them actually care about him.

 

[Herolee10]

Intergang and/or Metallo and/or Parasite and/or Encatadora and/or Kalibak and/or Neutron.All could be used in origin movies if developed well.
I notice you asked other than Braniac which means you agree that Branaic could be used in an origin movie.So why didnt they use him!Thats what im *****ing about

Well for Metallo; given that his main source of strength comes from kryptonite, we really wouldn't get a fair fight between Superman and him. Plus, there could be some criticism on him being more of a terminator rip off if anything from some viewers.

Plus, given that they're trying to introduce Superman in a realistic way at first, using Zod instead of someone like brainiac and Metallo at first, would be easier to swallow on the believability of the world that Superman's presented in before introducing factors of the unknown in future sequels imho.

Parasite, from what I've read, I honestly can't think of anything interesting for him to be doing other than being vengeful for what he became due to a freak accident.

Isn't Kalibak Darkseid related, and he's not someone who I'd honestly consider to be big enough for a main antagonist for any film for Superman. Supporting villain sure, but not main villain.


I'm a bit iffy on brainiac since he brings a lot to the table and I think someone like him would be better off being used in a sequel after all of the main characters in the franchise have been established.

 

[Herolee10]

Yeah, this.

In present day, most of the younger generations have not seen superman the movie, and compared to the standard that most modern day blockbusters live up to, I don't imagine they'd be terribly impressed by it. I know I wasn't. It's campy and outdated. This is going to be the movie that re-connects the public with superman, and makes them actually care about him.

Agreed; and plus, I personally like the idea that in a story where Superman is trying to figure out on who he is in life that his first major villain is someone who is probably his only living link to his origins, which could provide for some great drama.

If Clark in this film is especially not given any info on Zod's character like he was in the Donner films, then it could make it more amusing to see as to how Zod would approach Clark, and how their relationship could be like at first before it dissolves into the hate relationship that it's currently known for in the comics.