The Official Michael Shannon IS General Zod - Part 1

[Silvermoth]

Oh great Zod again. I'm hoping they use him in a way similar to Superman 1 where he makes a cameo at the start and then gets most of his work for a sequel. I can handle that and I want to see someone new.

Warner Brothers must think Superman only has two enemies.

 

[DrMylesOBoogie]

Truth be told, I don't think they'll be capitalizing on who's Superman's antagonist in this film, so much as how they will on possibly exploring parts in Clark's journey towards becoming Superman that the GA has never seen before.

The thing that I remember people being excited about Batman Begins the most was how the film would actually have its titular character be the central focus of the film for once, and not the villains. And most, if not all of the villains weren't well known by the GA as they were by comic book fans.

The thing that made BB great was that it was the first film that gave audiences a reason to really care about Batman and what made him into the man that he's famously known for being by the GA.

I think MOS may be trying to approach that route as well.

True but Superman's character has been explored ALOT in film and moreso TV over the last 30 years but we havent seen him fight the big sci-fi villians on the big screen. I think that's what an audience has been crying out since the technology of the Matrix films teased what we might get. Zod does offer action but he doesn't offer anything new. He's just another kryptonian which I find dull and uninspired for a new film. Even as a Superman fan I want to see something new.

 

[Superman 1265]

So......




...if Zod is Kal-El's real father....

Then my whole life has been a lie.

 

[SuperDaniel]

Once people see a superfight in Metropolis, they will shut up with the complaints and forget about being pessimistic.

 

[Herolee10]

True but Superman's character has been explored ALOT in film and moreso TV over the last 30 years but we havent seen him fight the big sci-fi villians on the big screen. I think that's what an audience has been crying out since the technology of the Matrix films teased what we might get. Zod does offer action but he doesn't offer anything new. He's just another kryptonian which I find dull and uninspired for a new film. Even as a Superman fan I want to see something new.

The Superman that the GA has been mainly exposed to has been the Golden Age version, where Superman is presented as the 'Real Persona', not Clark Kent.

Truth be told, in the manner that Superman was presented in the Donner and Singer's films, he's hardly someone who audiences can really relate too.

And plus; the main inciting incident that led to Clark becoming Superman in the films was because his father (who was dead by the way) told him that it was his destiny to be Earths' savior.

Did we see him making that choice for himself, let alone coming to that decision on his own? Did we really see why he felt compelled to step out of the darkness and exposed himself to the world as Superman when he could have very well chose to stay in the shadows and just save people whenever he could quietly?

The only thing that we got was basically Clark going into the FOS not knowing what his purpose was in life, to just come out of it after 12 years as Superman after having one talk with his father.

I want to see something different from the Donner films. I want to see the journey of how the man of steel became Earth's greatest Hero, and I'm sure I'm not alone in this desire.


And from a story standpoint, since I'm a screenwriter myself, it makes more sense to introduce a villain like Zod imho given this stage in Superman's life. If he's just become Superman and had to learn on how to control his powers on his own, then he would definitely find it difficult to fight someone who's as strong as him. Given that Clark has probably never encountered anyone as strong as him before Zod, who is likely a trained fighter, Zod would probably end up owning him at times in the fight before Superman comeback with a victory, and that's more of a inspired fight for me than him fighting off several robots, etc.

 

[Zionite]

Well for Metallo; given that his main source of strength comes from kryptonite, we really wouldn't get a fair fight between Superman and him. Plus, there could be some criticism on him being more of a terminator rip off if anything from some viewers.

It depends on how he is potrayed.In recent comics he looks nothing like the Terminator and has more powers than just Kryptonite.And we have seen Supees throwdown with Metallo in animated movies and they were quite cool.That being said Metallo wouldnt be my first choice but he is possible choice

Plus, given that they're trying to introduce Superman in a realistic way at first, using Zod instead of someone like brainiac and Metallo at first, would be easier to swallow on the believability of the world that Superman's presented in before introducing factors of the unknown in future sequels imho.

I dont understand how Braniac an Alien is less believable than Superman who is also an Alien.Especially if he is potrayed as the Kryptonian Braniac.
Metallo isnt any less believable than an extraterrestial either.

Parasite, from what I've read, I honestly can't think of anything interesting for him to be doing other than being vengeful for what he became due to a freak accident.

Good piont

Isn't Kalibak Darkseid related, and he's not someone who I'd honestly consider to be big enough for a main antagonist for any film for Superman. Supporting villain sure, but not main villain.

Kalibak is the son of Darkseid.Heir to a god!Throw him in with a film and Interhgang and you habve one hell of a threat as well settting up for eventually using Darkseid in a sequel

I'm a bit iffy on brainiac since he brings a lot to the table and I think someone like him would be better off being used in a sequel after all of the main characters in the franchise have been established.

I already pionted ut how Branaic could work in an origin film and he works just as much as Zod.The question biols down to preference Zod or Branaic?I choose Braniac since he is a new villain for a new franchise in a new direction.Zod is what you call a safe choice

Another thing I fear is Zod being the reason for Clark to become Superman.Clark didnt become Superman to fight Alien invasions he became superman to help the earths problems which sometimes include Alien invasions

 

[SuperDaniel]

I swear to god. You guys are a BUCH of ungrateful *****es.

STOP COMPLAINING, FOR GOD'S SAKE! Im fed up of all this reaction and BS.

 

[KalMart]

Then my whole life has been a lie.

Now you know how Superman would feel

 

[Herolee10]

Another thing I fear is Zod being the reason for Clark to become Superman.Clark didnt become Superman to fight Alien invasions he became superman to help the earths problems which sometimes include Alien invasions

I honestly don't think that it'll happen that way.

In fact, I think that it's very possible that it'll go down like this:


After Clark finally introduces himself to the world as Superman for the first time, the public reaction is mixed as they don't know what to make of his presence.

Zod gets wind of this and discovers that Superman is a member of the house of el due to the crest that he wears on his chest.

After meeting with Superman in order to get him to join his side, Zod goes around causing havoc, and the public automatically assume that it's Superman who's doing it since they can't think of anyone who could do those things since Superman is the only person that they've seen and are aware of having those types of powers. This would lead towards the public turning against Superman slowly at first.

 

[roach]

yet no one is complaining about Catwoman and Bane in the next Batman movie

 

[KalMart]

Oh great Zod again. I'm hoping they use him in a way similar to Superman 1 where he makes a cameo at the start and then gets most of his work for a sequel. I can handle that and I want to see someone new.

Warner Brothers must think Superman only has two enemies.

Might as well address it now....


...if there's a sequel......


Jamie Fox as Gus Gorman!!

 

[Project862006]

Having Superman take on Branaic or darksied in the first film imo would be unfair since Clark is still young into his years he would be in a mismatch against extremely powerful villains.

did we see this Bruce Wayne take on the joker?Nope because he was'nt read for such a powerful foe yet

 

[Herolee10]

I swear to god. You guys are a BUCH of ungrateful *****es.

STOP COMPLAINING, FOR GOD'S SAKE! Im fed up of all this reaction and BS.

lol..well unfortunately, it looks like you may need to get some Aspirin since I have a feeling that we'll be hearing a lot more posts like these when more info comes in. It's just the nature of the business, especially when it involves a revered character such as Superman.

 

[KalMart]

yet no one is complaining about Catwoman and Bane in the next Batman movie

Because it's Batman...and he treats complaints like he treats criminals.

 

[Herolee10]

Having Superman take on Branaic or darksied in the first film imo would be unfair since Clark is still young into his years he would in a mismatch against extremely powerful villains.

did we see this Bruce Wayne take on the joker?Nope because he was'nt read for such a powerful foe yet

Thank you! Finally, someone who's said the same thing that I've been trying to say.t:


I mean, I can understand as to why there's a good amount of fans that want to see new villains on the screen. i want to see them as well. But we really shouldn't place the fault on Nolan or Snyder for this.

If anything, just blame the Salkinds, Canon Films, and Singer for not having used proper Superman villains when they had the chance to.

 

[Herolee10]

Because it's Batman...and he treats complaints like he treats criminals.

meaning, he sleeps with some while beating up and scarring others for life.lol

 

[KalMart]

Having Superman take on Branaic or darksied in the first film imo would be unfair since Clark is still young into his years he would be in a mismatch against extremely powerful villains.

did we see this Bruce Wayne take on the joker?Nope because he was'nt read for such a powerful foe yet

A 'second film' is pretty questionable for Superman, though (not that it was guaranteed for BB)....with all the legal stuff et al. The best way to get a second film is to make a huge first one, and some wonder whether 'holding back' with what's basically a one-off is wise. In that respect, I don't think there's any such thing as being 'to big' for a first (and maybe only) film.

 

[KalMart]

meaning, he sleeps with some while beating up and scarring others for life.lol

Or both.

 

[Herolee10]

A 'second film' is pretty questionable for Superman, though....with all the legal stuff et al. The best way to get a second film is to make a huge first one, and some wonder whether 'holding back' with what's basically a one-off is wise. In that respect, I don't think there's any such thing as being 'to big' for a first (and maybe only) film.

Perhaps, but I've seen films that have fallen victim towards trying to make it as big as they reasonably could at the expense of good storytelling.

It's more like a double edge sword in a way.

On one hand, you can't be sure if you'll come back for a second round, but on the other hand, you could very well endanger the quality of the film if you try to stuff in a factor that may not belong in there.

 

[KalMart]

Perhaps, but I've seen films that have fallen victim towards trying to make it as big as they reasonably could at the expense of good storytelling.

It's more like a double edge sword in a way.

I'd say with Superman...and its recent past...'going big' should be a priority, no?

On one hand, you can't be sure if you'll come back for a second round, but on the other hand, you could very well endanger the quality of the film if you try to stuff in a factor that may not belong in there.

I don't think they need to be mutually exclusive, though. In a lot of ways...every film is made as if it's the last film that ever will be made...unless you've already got a multi-installment deal in place.

 

[FilmNerdJamie]

For those hoping for DDL as Luthor: You are aware that he begins shooting Lincoln this fall (the same time as MoS), right?

No guarantee at this moment Lincoln will happen by then. I'd ****ing loooove to see that, Luhrmann's The Great Gatsby and TMOS all together for next Christmas, mind you.

But the original version of Lincoln with Liam Neeson and Sally Field had official press releases stating a February 2009 release date that came and went. Ditto Trial of the Chicago 7 with Sacha Baron Cohen as Abbie Hoffman.

Spielberg is known for working incredibly fast though (Munich and Saving Private Ryan come to mind). So it's possible the production could mount up and still be ready for a fall shoot. But since we've heard radio silence since Day Lewis' casting, and it's almost summer, I don't think so.

 

[SuperDaniel]

So a battle in Metropolis done like Battle of LA or Avatar isnt huge enough?

Seriously. Lets hear more about the plot of the film before complaining this or that villain is going to be used or not.

 

[Excel]

Superman vs. Zod is perfect from a marketing stand point, quit playing homies. I do wish they had gotten someone more famous, though.

Zods role would have been the perfect Joaquin Phoenix comeback role, for instance...

 

[RoughNTumble]

shannon is such a better actor than phoenix

 

[Herolee10]

I'd say with Superman...and its recent past...'going big' should be a priority, no?



I don't think they need to be mutually exclusive, though. In a lot of ways...every film is made as if it's the last film that ever will be made...unless you've already got a multi-installment deal in place.

Perhaps, but my problem is wondering as to whether introducing someone like brainiac might be a bit much for an origin film, let alone if he could provide anything significant for Superman's journey in a film covering his origins.

I mean, like I had mentioned above, I can't think of any other villain that could both challenge Superman mentally and physically without the need of kryptonite.

Lex has been done to death, and he would need kryptonite. Metallo needs kryptonite and what's fascinating about Parasite?lol

Intergang, meh....still a human based organization and not really a singular entity.