The Official Michael Shannon IS General Zod - Part 1

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But my concern is, even though we're going to have a movie where two superpowered guys are fighting each other, it's not going to be that spectacular. They both look basically normal, and their powers, while fantastic, are tough to make visually stunning in the age of Avatar, (Abrams) Star Trek, and now Green Lantern. Whereas I think a villain like Brainiac, Darkseid, Metallo or even Lex in a Kryptonite battlesuit might have provided that.

Two super-strong guys flying around fighting? I saw that in The Matrix Convolutions. Hopefully this will be better, but who knows?

And lastly, it makes me worry that someone at WB or DC is still stuck in this mindset that "all of Superman's villains suck except Zod and Lex." That is the most simplistic attitude you could take towards this. Superman's villains don't "suck" any more than Green Lantern's or even Batman's as long as they're written well. And if you can't figure out how to write Superman's rogues well, then maybe you shouldn't be penning a Superman script.

It just irritates me that the closest we might ever get to seeing Brainiac or Doomsday or Metallo on film is f**king Smallville. And that sucks.

You see, I honestly think that choosing Zod from Nolan's and Goyer's POV was based mainly on the fact on what a character like Zod could add to Clark Kent's/Superman's journey in the story/origin.

And truth be told, were Ra's, Scarecrow, Falcone really that much better to look at in BB? Like I had mentioned in a previous post, I honestly don't think that this film will be capitalizing on who Superman's villain is in this film, so much as capitalizing on the factor of exploring the inner core and foundation of Superman's character, and by the end of the day, isn't that much better?


If they were to use Lex in a Kryptonite battle suit, then there's no doubt that comparisons would be made between that and Iron Man. That and if you include Metallo, Superman wouldn't be allowed to fight at his fullest since he'd be at the handicap of kryptonite being present, which was one of the main gripes that I've read fans having with SR.

Darkseid is just WAY too big of a villain to use for a Origin story imho. And Nolan has stated several times that his inspiration for a lot of his scenes in TDK as far as I remember reading were based off of "Heat", and I don't seem to recall people complaining about that or saying that since they saw Heat that they don't need to see TDK.

And for all we know, Zod may not be the only villain in this film. We may have side villains who may be making their big screen debuts here as well. Zod may just be used as a stepping zone towards getting more into Superman's rogue gallery.
 
Zod will not be the only villain in this movie (and I am not referring to Luthor or the other Kyrptonian villains.)
 
Maybe Michael Bay should direct this right?
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Yes I said MICHAEL BAY!!!!
He's been brought up before...and from an action standpoint, there's a lot of merit to it.
 
He's been brought up before...and from an action standpoint, there's a lot of merit to it.

I will admit that Bay does have a thing for creating some great and memorable action sequences, but aside from his poor story telling and character developments, I think another issue that he's had imho is that he tends to over-dramatize some of his action sequences at times.

Be that as it may, I honestly wouldn't have mind if someone like Peter Jackson or even Steven Spielberg had been chosen to be the director for this film.

Can you imagine on what a superman film would be like if it had both Nolan and Spielberg at the helm of it?
 
I will admit that Bay does have a thing for creating some great and memorable action sequences, but aside from his poor story telling and character developments, I think another issue that he's had imho is that he tends to over-dramatize some of his action sequences at times.

Be that as it may, I honestly wouldn't have mind if someone like Peter Jackson or even Steven Spielberg had been chosen to be the director for this film.

Can you imagine on what a superman film would be like if it had both Nolan and Spielberg at the helm of it?

I've always said that the 'ideal' director would be like a Spielberg or Cameron at the start of their big careers, not now....Like when Cameron did Aliens, or even Nolan w/ BB, Singer w/ XMen....or Jackson before LOTR. A lot of these better franchises start with a director going for broke and making a name for themselves. That's why I was hoping that Superman would bring us that next filmmaker.
 
I've always said that the 'ideal' director would be like a Spielberg or Cameron at the start of their big careers, not now....Like when Cameron did Aliens, or even Nolan w/ BB, Singer w/ XMen....or Jackson before LOTR. A lot of these better franchises start with a director going for broke and making a name for themselves. That's why I was hoping that Superman would bring us that next filmmaker.


The only reason why I'm not as worried about the film having Snyder at the helm of it is because he wasn't the person in charge of creating the idea behind the story.

If he was actually allowed to come up with the entire story, then I'd be worried.

Heck, if he didn't return for the sequel, i wouldn't think of it as any big loss...unless Michael Bay or Bret Ratner, or even Singer were chosen as his replacements.lol

Heck, I would have taken Kenneth from the Thor film to helm this film instead given from what I've seen from Thor..well that and Natalie to play Lois, but that's just a small personal preference.lol

Be that as it may, we'll just have to wait and see if Snyder can pull a miracle and surprise us all pleasantly like his casting choices have done overall.lol
 
I think that you're comparing apples and oranges there. Numbers 1 and 2 are stupid, petty gripes from people that possess the combined maturity of a kindergarten class. Number 3 is a different animal.

Granted, using Zod in no way guarantees that we are getting a rehash. (Yes, I know my signature indicates that I believe we are, but I'm only being half serious there.) But there is a bigger issue here that I think a lot of people are missing.

This is Superman's last shot. If this movie fails, that's it.
I hear ya, and I'd hate if we never got to see Brainiac on the big screen either, but honestly, I think this being "Superman's last shot" justifies the use of Zod. Of course WE want to see villains from the comics that haven't been used, but frankly, we don't know what the general audience wants to see in a Superman movie now. That's been a mystery to the WB in regards to Supes for the last decade or so, and they still haven't figured it out. Which WOULD make it the ideal time to gamble on an "unknown" villain...IF this weren't their one and only shot.

WB knows two things: People loved the Donner movies, but they want to see something new. So making a completely new, edgier, modern vision of Superman with a villain that still has name recognition with the general audience (and is infinitely more exciting than Lex Luthor from a visual/action standpoint) actually seems like a smart move to me. As long as it looks and sounds (this includes music!) nothing like it did before, no one will feel like they've seen it before. SR didn't get butts in seats because it didn't look or sound like anything new (because it wasn't), but rather an attempt to recreate the past. And because they didn't use the enormous technological resources Hollywood's disposal to show off what Supes can really do in this day in age (Superman fighting ~physics~ and lifting a big rock was the best they could do?). So the whole venture felt kind of pointless. Zod addresses the latter of those problems (People will remember him fighting Supes 30 years ago, and then see how insane such a superbrawl can look now). This will not be a "chick flick" like SR, but an action flick. Nolan/Snyder/Goyer's new approach to the story/character should address the former problem.

This way, their new approach isn't SO foreign that it alienates the fans whose only exposure to Supes is the Donner movies, but shows them a new vision. Basically, it lures them in with things they think they know: Superman, Lois Lane, Zod, hopefully Luthor... and proceeds to blow their expectations out of the water.

THEN, if the movie's successful and people become attached to this version of Superman's world, it's safer to take chances on villains the general audience is less familiar with, because they'll just want to see a continuation of this universe, whatever it may be.

I realize this is a different strategy than Batman Begins, but it's worth noting that BB was focused on Batman's origin, which had never truly been showcased on the big screen before, so the lesser-known villains played second-fiddle to that. This movie doesn't have that advantage, so it's gonna need a better-known villain to pull more weight. And sadly, for general moviegoing audiences, that basically means either Zod or Luthor (and possibly Bizarro, but you never start a series with the hero's evil doppelganger, that's totally a 3rd-movie move, lol).

All that said, if we STILL don't get Brainiac in the sequel, I'm gonna blow s*** up.

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so to those who don't mind Zod...how disappointed would you be if we reached the end of the movie without the infamous line? i think i'd be a little disappointed if they didn't at LEAST make a reference. i don't think Shannon needs to literally say "KNEEL BEFORE ZOD!!!" but i think something like "Once we find him, he will kneel down and kiss the ground before me." or something of the like would be cool.
 
I think he should just say "...Kneel...", if he does say it at all. But not refer to himself in the third person...that's a bit silly...like "Hulk Smash...".
 
I was gonna comment something but Herolee10 perfectly resumed my views in his response to Rowsdowser.
 
I realize this is a different strategy than Batman Begins, but it's worth noting that BB was focused on Batman's origin, which had never truly been showcased on the big screen before, so the lesser-known villains played second-fiddle to that. This movie doesn't have that advantage, so it's gonna need a better-known villain to pull more weight. And sadly, for general moviegoing audiences, that basically means either Zod or Luthor (and possibly Bizarro, but you never start a series with the hero's evil doppelganger, that's totally a 3rd-movie move, lol).

All that said, if we STILL don't get Brainiac in the sequel, I'm gonna blow s*** up.

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Well tbh, S:TM just gave viewers a general look/a synopsis really of Superman's origin.

All it did was really showing us Krypton blowing up, Superman landing in Kansas and then being founded by the Kents...18 Years later, his father dies, and then he goes out to the FOS and is conveniently told as to what his destiny is.

Audiences are really aware of how much has been ADDED to Clark's journey towards becoming Superman, nor has it been properly shown in any live action media format.

so to those who don't mind Zod...how disappointed would you be if we reached the end of the movie without the infamous line? i think i'd be a little disappointed if they didn't at LEAST make a reference. i don't think Shannon needs to literally say "KNEEL BEFORE ZOD!!!" but i think something like "Once we find him, he will kneel down and kiss the ground before me." or something of the like would be cool.

I wouldn't be surprised if they tweaked it the same way that they did with the "truth, justice, all that stuff.." in SR.
 
Well tbh, S:TM just gave viewers a general look/a synopsis really of Superman's origin.

All it did was really showing us Krypton blowing up, Superman landing in Kansas and then being founded by the Kents...18 Years later, his father dies, and then he goes out to the FOS and is conveniently told as to what his destiny is.

Audiences are really aware of how much has been ADDED to Clark's journey towards becoming Superman, nor has it been properly shown in any live action media format.
I think the Superman-being-a-Superhero part is what needs the most updating, not his growing up et al. That's the part that's become boring and old-hat for a lot of folks. There are lots of characters that fly and have extreme strength out there....people need to see flying and superpowers like they've never seen before, not so much 10 more years on the farm/traveling the world/etc.
 
Well tbh, S:TM just gave viewers a general look/a synopsis really of Superman's origin.

All it did was really showing us Krypton blowing up, Superman landing in Kansas and then being founded by the Kents...18 Years later, his father dies, and then he goes out to the FOS and is conveniently told as to what his destiny is.

Audiences are really aware of how much has been ADDED to Clark's journey towards becoming Superman, nor has it been properly shown in any live action media format.
I'm not gonna lie, though, I'm gonna be disappointed if this movie is as focused on Superman's origin as BB was. I'm sick of seeing Superman's origin story - that is, his childhood and learning/discovering his abilities and origins, family drama, etc. That flashback sequence in SR was all kinds of boring overkill to me. If we get the Birthright stuff - Clark as a journalist traveling the world, etc - I'd be fine with that, since we've never really seen it, but keep it brief. I'm hoping the Zod threat becomes the focus at least by the midway point.
 
I think the Superman-being-a-Superhero part is what needs the most updating, not his growing up et al. That's the part that's become boring and old-hat for a lot of folks. There are lots of characters that fly and have extreme strength out there....people need to see flying and superpowers like they've never seen before, not so much 10 more years on the farm/traveling the world/etc.

I'm not gonna lie, though, I'm gonna be disappointed if this movie is as focused on Superman's origin as BB was. I'm sick of seeing Superman's origin story - that is, his childhood and learning/discovering his abilities and origins, family drama, etc. That flashback sequence in SR was all kinds of boring overkill to me. If we get the Birthright stuff - Clark as a journalist traveling the world - I'd be fine with that. But I'm hoping the Zod threat becomes the focus at least by the midway point.


TBH folks, I'm really hoping that this film does indeed cover the days where he's still traveling around the world instead of seeing him attending SV High and basically everything else that's been covered and shown in Secret Origins.

I mean as far as origins are concerned, if you discount L&C the Series, in almost every other live action version of Superman, his choice to become superman was basically something that was heavily influenced from a voice in the arctic.

Why is Superman considered a symbol of hope when compared against other heroes? Why is it that his actions are the ones that'll resonate with humanity for centuries to come? It's these things that I want to see specifically shown.

Even though the Donner film kept emphasizing on Jor-el's saying on how Superman was the 'light' to show humanity the way, I never once saw something that showed that specifically.

and yeah, i do want to see Superman used in a more effective way when he debuts onto the screen.
 
IMO, there should be a balance of everything. I want to see more thoughts behind his decisions instead of being brainwashed in the fortress of a solitude by an hologram that can tell the future.

Im sorry but the Donner movies, as good as they are, dont hold up anymore. SII is just painful to watch with all the cheesiness and ridiculous scenes. Comparing that Zod to something serious that can be done for today's audiences is just ridiculous.

I think Brainiac is too big of a villain for Superman to fight in the beginning of his career. I'd rather this movie to focus on Superman done right, why he chose his powers to do good instead of that crap we've been watching on Smallville for 10 seasons. The show is fine but it dragged too long and change the mythos so much, not always for the better, that it became its own entity. Some episodes are really good but, imo, the show didnt do its job in answering these questions in a decent way.

No explanation of why Clark wanted to be a reporter. No explanation of why doing good with this powers. The simple he is a good guy will not cut anymore, imo. I want something more than he was raised well, is Christ reincarnation, sent to do good, etc etc.

I really want to believe in Superman and Clark and care for them as characters.

Earth-One got a little bit into that but Superman was so out of character many times in that story that i didnt like it as much.
 
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Well, that was quick. Shannon goes for a full 3 minutes talking about Superman:

 
IMO, there should be a balance of everything. I want to see more thoughts behind his decisions instead of being brainwashed in the fortress of a solitude by an hologram that can tell the future.

Im sorry but the Donner movies, as good as they are, dont hold up anymore. SII is just painful to watch with all the cheesiness and ridiculous scene. Compare that Zod to something serious that can be done for today's audiences is just ridiculous.

I think Brainiac is too big of a villain for Superman to fight in the beginning of his career. I'd rather this movie to focus on Superman done right, why he chose his powers to do good instead of that crap we've been watching on Smallville for 10 seasons. Some episodes are really good but, imo, the show didnt do its job in answering these questions in a right way.

Agreed; and plus it was just a cruel message to send that Superman had to sacrifice complete happiness just to make sure that humanity could be safe. There's just no logical reason as to why Superman couldn't be allowed to find a balance in his life by being Earth's protector and having a life of his own.

And honestly the fact that Jor-el had intended Clark to become Earth's champion before Krypton exploded is somewhat cruel since I don't know what gave him the idea that he had the right to control his son's future.

Yeah, I agree that Brainiac is just too much of an advance and strong opponent for Superman to face at the start of his career.

I mean, would CB's Batman have defeated the likes of Heath's Joker had he encountered him first instead of scarecrow in BB? Probably not.
 
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Wow, I did NOT expect him to sound like that in real life, lol.
 
TBH folks, I'm really hoping that this film does indeed cover the days where he's still traveling around the world instead of seeing him attending SV High and basically everything else that's been covered and shown in Secret Origins.

I mean as far as origins are concerned, if you discount L&C the Series, in almost every other live action version of Superman, his choice to become superman was basically something that was heavily influenced from a voice in the arctic.

Why is Superman considered a symbol of hope when compared against other heroes? Why is it that his actions are the ones that'll resonate with humanity for centuries to come? It's these things that I want to see specifically shown.
As far as movies go...because audiences enjoy the scope and impact of Super-action and heroism they're watching in front of them. You can preach and extoll his character until the cows come home, but if it's still going to end up being the same ol' Superman again....

That's why I felt they should start with Superman's introduction to the world as a mysterious phenomenon, then let our insight into his past/character unfold as we go along. Let the audience know right off the bat that this isn't the same ol' Superman, and then they'll be that much more interested and invested in finding out more about him....rather than having to sit through his walk down memory lane for 20 minutes before getting to the good stuff.

Even though the Donner film kept emphasizing on Jor-el's saying on how Superman was the 'light' to show humanity the way, I never once saw something that showed that specifically.

and yeah, i do want to see Superman used in a more effective way when he debuts onto the screen.
The key difference should be that becoming Superman is his choice, not some pre-ordained destiny or what have you. It should reflect more on Jon and Marta Kent's upbringing of him, not a genetic disposition or some otherworldly heritage that he never experienced. So no more floating Jor-El ghost and all.
 
That and if you include Metallo, Superman wouldn't be allowed to fight at his fullest since he'd be at the handicap of kryptonite being present, which was one of the main gripes that I've read fans having with SR.

I agree to a point on this. His real enemy and "final battle" was against a big piece of land. I like the movie as I like most Superman things but that part was incredibly underwhelming.

Also, while I know they're trying to separate themselves from every other incarnation and I am in complete agreement that is how it should be, one thing I wouldn't mind is Zod giving his famous "Kneel before Zod" line. That line has transcended the original movies.
 
that totally sounds like snyder lol

ZS:i want him i want him now
WB:we have to screentest him zack
ZS: Oh ok
 
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