The Official Michael Shannon IS General Zod - Part 2

[Rockstar]

Loki?

I'm telling you that Stamp's Zod was a cartoony ego-driven stereotype.


I did not say that about Loki. I just said Loki doesn't strike me as a villain from a Nolan/Goyer script. I expect Zod to be drastically different.

 

[GREEN =w= DAY]

i love Michael Shannon's work on Boardwalk Empire. i think he will make a badass Zod.

 

[N7 Joseph Shepard]

The thing is - if this rumour that Superman is a 'kryptonian prince' is true, that implies there will be some form of Royalty in Kryptonian society, or at least different classes. And if that's the case, the 'kneel before Zod' line suddenly doesn't seem as cheesy as it did - even to this day, it's expected that many people will bow or kneel before royalty. Zod may reason that as one of the last remaining Kryptonians, he should elevate himself to king.

Oh yea thats a good one, I could picture it like this....

If Jor-El is some kind of royalty and we already know Zod has some kind of fight with Jor-El (thanks to Shannon and Russel over twitter msgs).

Zod could have this grudge to over throw Jor-El and since he's dead and Supes is well next in line, he some how gets the upper hand and says something like

"he *laughing not saying he* well now son of Jor-El........Kneel........Kneel before Zod *insert creepy ass smile that only Shannon can pull off lol*"

It would be more like a "**** you" to everything the House of El stands for instead of Zod merely wanting to have ppl worship him.

As for the Loki thing, I thought it was a rip off of Zod when I heard him say it in the theater, even said it out loud and a guy beside me agreed.....I dont even know the guy lol

 

[Rust]

i love Michael Shannon's work on Boardwalk Empire. i think he will make a badass Zod.

He will own the movie and every single CBM-villain out there. That's Shannon for ya.

 

[hopefuldreamer]

I don't understand how Zod would be reduced to a campy, one-dimensional character if he commanded those he felt inferior to him to kneel. It worked for Loki.

If anything, I think it'd help to reinforce that he's nothing but an egotistical, power-hungry SOB.

Not for me... I kind of hated it. It came off really cheesy. Only thing that saved it was the old guy standing up to him.

You're suggesting Loki was a ego driven stereotype? If so that demonstrates a fundamental misunderstanding of the character.

Zod should tell those to kneel not because of ego, but because he's a military man, it is all that he knows. That's the kind of character he should be.

You don't think there's an element of ego stroking to Loki's character in this film?

I'd say that was his absolute downfall, and it was his big fat ego that eventually got him wacked around by Hulk too.

He will own the movie and every single CBM-villain out there. That's Shannon for ya.

Truth

 

[The Morningstar]

Of course Loki had an ego. But to say that was the only thing which was driving him is wrong. It was more insecurity and a quest for validation i think. Along with revenge. And also ego which made him think he was above humans.

 

[Micromind]

Not for me... I kind of hated it. It came off really cheesy. Only thing that saved it was the old guy standing up to him.

That scene reminded me of Joker crashing Bruce's party and the old guy standing up to Joker and telling him that he is not afraid of him from TDK, so it was a ripoff as well.


I am getting tired of Marvel movies ripping off DC movies (Spider-man shirt rip scene and the whole trilogy based on Donner superman movies and TASM taking from Batman Begins.) and getting praise and their ripoff characters (Thanos, Hawkeye, I am looking at you.) posing as original one while the original DC ones are still waiting.

 

[The Morningstar]

How is it a rip off? You think TDK is the first film to have done that? Don't make me laugh.

You think that "you crave subjugation" speech was in Germany by mere coincidence? That old man was talking about Hitler.

 

[Micromind]

Are only old men supposed to do brave acts in comic book movies ?

 

[Herolee10]

Are only old men supposed to do brave acts in comic book movies ?

No, but it made sense for a old veteran in Germany to respond to Loki's speech considering that they were trying to reference Hitler's reign and the whole Nazi occupation thing, and given how old that guy was, he looked like someone that would have lived back then to have seen the horrors of one man's ambitions like how Loki was trying to do in the present.

 

[hopefuldreamer]

Of course Loki had an ego. But to say that was the only thing which was driving him is wrong. It was more insecurity and a quest for validation i think. Along with revenge. And also ego which made him think he was above humans.

No one said it was the only thing driving him in the film

But it was certainly what made him tell a crowd of humans, in a theatrical way, to kneel before him.

And I don't want Zod to be a villain with an ego in need of stroking in that fashion.

I want him to be above that kind of thing.

That scene reminded me of Joker crashing Bruce's party and the old guy standing up to Joker and telling him that he is not afraid of him from TDK, so it was a ripoff as well.

I suppose so.

Although in TDK, there was actual tension in the scene... Like I really thought Joker might cut that guys face up for standing up to him.

You pretty much knew the old guy would be okay in Avengers just from the tone of that scene. It was very clearly not a serious scary moment... Unlike the eye gouging scene, in which it was pretty clear something bad was coming (I really liked the way they built that up)

 

[The Morningstar]

Are only old men supposed to do brave acts in comic book movies ?

No. But the point of that scene is that the old guy had lived through Hitler's reign. Loki obviously reminded him of Hitler hence the line "there are always men like you".

 

[Herolee10]

Given the rich opportunity that we have here, I wouldn't mind seeing the days where General Zod acted like a general on Krypton. In previous films, viewers or fans never got a chance to see the General in his element where you saw him lead a group of soldiers like a general would normally do. Instead, we already saw him during his villainous days where he was already an outcast with just Non and ursa at his side.

And I wouldn't mind seeing the General use his intelligence when in a battle instead of just relying on brute force alone.

 

[Rust]

Given the rich opportunity that we have here, I wouldn't mind seeing the days where General Zod acted like a general on Krypton. In previous films, viewers or fans never got a chance to see the General in his element where you saw him lead a group of soldiers like a general would normally do. Instead, we already saw him during his villainous days where he was already an outcast with just Non and ursa at his side.

And I wouldn't mind seeing the General use his intelligence when in a battle instead of just relying on brute force alone.

Which I can only hope we'll get with Goyer and Nolan who usually show their villains from more sides. The better villain is one you can relate to and possibly even sympathize with and they know this I think.

I too wanna know where Zod comes from and what his motivations are. What drives him down that dark road.

 

[Herolee10]

Which I can only hope we'll get with Goyer and Nolan who usually show their villains from more sides. The better villain is one you can relate to and possibly even sympathize with and they know this I think.

I too wanna know where Zod comes from and what his motivations are. What drives him down that dark road.

Agreed; heck, some have theorized here that the trauma from having lost his home planet may be a factor towards his path down villainy.

And I'm still hoping that Zod will have some super powered thugs/soldiers to help him in his conquest to take over Earth. idk why, but the thought of seeing the general actually leading a group of super powered aliens, whether they be kryptonian or not, against superman and the world has its appeal to me.lol

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

That scene reminded me of Joker crashing Bruce's party and the old guy standing up to Joker and telling him that he is not afraid of him from TDK, so it was a ripoff as well.


I am getting tired of Marvel movies ripping off DC movies (Spider-man shirt rip scene and the whole trilogy based on Donner superman movies and TASM taking from Batman Begins.) and getting praise and their ripoff characters (Thanos, Hawkeye, I am looking at you.) posing as original one while the original DC ones are still waiting.

Be tired all you want. Get mad at Warner Bros for not making their DC movies fast enough.

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

Agreed; heck, some have theorized here that the trauma from having lost his home planet may be a factor towards his path down villainy.

And I'm still hoping that Zod will have some super powered thugs/soldiers to help him in his conquest to take over Earth. idk why, but the thought of seeing the general actually leading a group of super powered aliens, whether they be kryptonian or not, against superman and the world has its appeal to me.lol

I'd want Zod to maybe have a group of rogue Kryptonians, if anything. I'd save the larger group of super powered aliens for another movie with Darkseid, since the Apokoliptians are more well-known like Kalibak, The Female Furies, Mantis, etc. His main invading force would be Parademons, with other Apokoliptian forces as well.

 

[hopefuldreamer]

I agree with everyone.

I know it's difficult in a superhero origin movie, to also pack in the villains origin as well - but since their origins are actually linked through Jor-el and Krypton, I don't see why they couldn't do it.

The potential for Zod is incredible. A villain who believes in what he's fighting for so strongly, who has a whole lifetime of experience of war and the nasty sides of 'humanity' (obviously the kryptonian kind), and who would see someone like Clark as nothing more than a naïve child, who knows nothing of krypton or war, and therefore has no idea the things Zod has seen and what is and isn't right or neccesary.

I mean, I have no idea why he'd be fighting Jor-el on krypton. I have no idea what this supposed battle scene on krypton will be, or what side he'll be on in that. I have no idea what Faora's role in all this will be. I have no idea what his actual objectives/motivation for confrontation with Superman will be, and why he'll be wearing a mo-cap suit, and what that other dude in the mo-cap suit has to do with it either!

We can only guess his 'villainy' has something to do with taking over, or using force to change things in the world.

But whatever it is, I'm finding Zod the most intruiging aspect of the film right now. And I'd have never wanted him to be the villain initially.

 

[The Morningstar]

That scene reminded me of Joker crashing Bruce's party and the old guy standing up to Joker and telling him that he is not afraid of him from TDK, so it was a ripoff as well.


I am getting tired of Marvel movies ripping off DC movies (Spider-man shirt rip scene and the whole trilogy based on Donner superman movies and TASM taking from Batman Begins.) and getting praise and their ripoff characters (Thanos, Hawkeye, I am looking at you.) posing as original one while the original DC ones are still waiting.

Green Arrow was a rip off of Robin Hood. Batman was a rip off of Zorro and The Shadow.

Get over it. Thanos and Hawkeye only resemble their DC counterparts in the most superficial of ways.

And Darkseid hasn't done **** in the comics since the Great Darkness Saga. Thanos has taken over the universe multiple times, actually has a real motive for doing what he does and isn't similar to Darkseid in anyway apart from them looking slightly similar.

 

[Herolee10]

I'd want Zod to maybe have a group of rogue Kryptonians, if anything. I'd save the larger group of super powered aliens for another movie with Darkseid, since the Apokoliptians are more well-known like Kalibak, The Female Furies, Mantis, etc. His main invading force would be Parademons, with other Apokoliptian forces as well.

If they have the budget for it, I'd say, go for it.lol

One thing that I also wouldn't mind seeing IF Zod is accompanied by more than one rogue kryptonian is further showing on how Superman represents hope to everyone, which is like the opposite of what Zod is giving off, by showing on how Superman is able to win over the trust of Zod's subordinates to the right path, which will end up further bruising Zod's ego and such.

What would you guys think of that?

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

They'd better have the budget for it. I'm picturing Superman and the Forever People with possibly Supergirl or Superboy facing off against Darkseid and his soldiers.

 

[terry78]

I sense Shannon is going to play Zod extremely scary, in contrast to how everyone else may act a little, I don't wanna say lighter, but you know. It is Superman.

 

[superman2090]

Thanos has taken over the universe multiple times, actually has a real motive for doing what he does and isn't similar to Darkseid in anyway apart from them looking slightly similar.

Thanos is also lame because he has "A subconscious desire to lose."

http://www.cracked.com/article_19434_the-6-most-ridiculous-superhero-weaknesses_p2.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thanos#The_Infinity_Gauntlet

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I don't even know who **** Thanos is to be honest. When his cameo came in The Avenger's I asked my bro and sis, "Who the hell is that?" And some guy who was sitting next to us relayed who it was.

Seems like a rip off character to me but that's what Marvel is good at. Believe me, I love the Marvel adaptions more than the DC ones so I'm not trying to engage in a Marvel v DC, I am just telling it like it is.

 

[terry78]

Thanos is just one of those villains who is literally crazy. Not crazy like most of them are, he needs a shrink, big time.