The Official Mighty Avengers Thread

Pym and Jocasta seems weird to me because Jocasta's been so compliant. Yes, Jan died and Hank knows Jocasta possesses her brain patterns, so he gets closer to her out of grief as a way of getting closer to Jan; I get that. What I didn't get was why Jocasta was so happy to go along with the charade. But those panels seem to indicate that Jocasta is not too happy about the Jan revelation, so hopefully Slott will delve into that issue a bit now.
 
Jocasta for a long time just wanted to be accepted. The Avengers in the past actually took a very long time to accept her. Back in the 70's or 80's she hung around them for quite a few years and adventures and they never made her anything beyond a probationary member...y'know, like D-Man the Hobo Hero. So now that Pym is more than "accepting" of her, Jocasta is probably very happy. Heck, not only is Pym accepting of her, she's critical in many of his experiments and tactics. She's taken the role of Vision on his team, basically.

(And didn't everyone but Quicksilver just smile and nod as Wanda slept with Vision? Granted, the Avengers smiled and nodded when Marcus date-raped Carol Danvers across time to impregnate her with himself, but I digress...)

In some ways I see the Pym/Jocasta bit as a very weird reworking of Pygmalion, although of course Jocasta was actually made by Ultron, not Pym himself, but Pym made Ultron so it sort of works out.

Jocasta's had very little genuine love and acceptance in her life (used as a tool by Ultron, or often ignored by the Avengers as "just another member"), so I kind of bought that she would go along with it if Pym suddenly started showering her with it, weird as it is. I mean, Janet accepted all of Pym's multiple personalities and nervous breakdowns for a good, long time. Jocasta, of course, is still different even if she has Jan's brain patterns, much as Vision was still different from Wonder Man (and Jim Hammond).
 
I just read #35 (I know I'm late).

What am I missing because for me the team has broken up and Herc has died off panel.
 
The team broke up at the end of #34 after Hank offered Loki membership. Herc died in the "Assault on New Olympus" arc in his own comic, which apparently takes place sometime between Mighty Avengers #34 and 35.
 
Thanks Corp. I didn't actually get that the team broke up after #34 (I knew they were all pissed at Hank but that's not unusual), must have read it when half asleep. I'll have to pick up Assault on New Olympus in trade -I assume Herc isn't gone for long he was one of the reasons I loved Mighty Avengers.
 
Well, Mighty Avengers itself is ending after the current Ultron arc, along with all the other Avengers titles. Hank is moving over to Avengers Academy when the new Avengers line launches.

I'm sure Herc will be back eventually, but for the time being, Amadeus Cho is going to pick up where he left off in a Prince of Power mini-series. Thor is going to be in it, but I'm not really sure in what capacity yet.
 
Prince of Power sounds good! I also didn't know every Avenger title was ending I thought it was just the Bendis ones.

It's kind of irritating though - DC and Marvel seem to have no stability in their team books anymore.
 
Eh, it's a new era for the Avengers or some such. I don't really mind it; we're getting a greater emphasis on the classic Avengers out of the deal, so whatever.
 
Do we know for sure Hank is moving to Academy? Wasn't that a fan speculation rather than a quote/
 
Avengers Academy didn't really excite me, but if that's the book Pym's heading to i'll definately check it out. Who's writing it and on the artwork?
 
Christos Gage is writing with Mike McKone on art. McKone's the only downer for me. He's all right, but his art doesn't really excite me at all.
 
The irony is while apparently the Mighty Avengers all showed up for Hercules' funeral on the cover of HERCULES: FALL OF AN AVENGER #1 and in MIGHTY AVENGERS #35, they weren't shown inside HERCULES: FALL OF AN AVENGER #1's interior art; technically the only Avengers who were there were Wolverine and Thor. Hell, with Archangel and Northstar present in interior art, I'd say the X-Men had just as strong a presence.

I've really enjoyed Gage on AVENGERS: THE INITIATIVE, both alongside Dan Slott and solo, so I'm psyched for AVENGERS ACADEMY. It is shaping up to be what the INITIATIVE should have been, experienced Avengers training wanna be Avengers, only with dark secrets, Nazi mad scientists or cloning cadavers.
 
Mighty Avengers #36 Preview

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SALVATION Pt. 2 of 2 "WWJVDD"
SIEGE BLOCKBUSTER TIE-IN!! SERIES FINALE! While the Mighty Avengers are fighting on the front lines of SIEGE, can HANK PYM and JOCASTA stop the Avenger's greatest enemy, ULTRON, by themselves? Or will Pym-Space become the ultimate staging ground for a cybernetic-assault on all of reality? See SIEGE through the eyes of the Avengers with the most to lose! The Dark Reign is ending, the Age of Heroes is coming, but before that can happen...there's a wedding? And more than one character is thinking, "What would Janet Van Dyne do?" We can't be any more cryptic than that. Trust us, you don't want to miss this one.
 
Yes, jilted robot lover! Looks like Slott had a f***ing awesome payoff in mind for all the creepiness of Pym and Jocasta's relationship. I take back everything bad I ever said about them. :D :D :D
 
Genius explanation of Jan's condition and the importance of the infinite mansion. I just hope Hank has a good explanation for Jocasta so she isn't just a cog in the machine. Though neither Jan nor Jocasta have appeared in any previews for anything so far...
 
I get the feeling Jocasta's right and Hank really did just use her to some extent. The guy can be kind of a dick sometimes...
 
I'm thinking maybe the Jocasta we see here is the only one that Hank hasn't tied into the grand plan, and that making her more human is to try and make up for some past wrongs and for using her design at least as the basis for Jan's stability. He has often been a dick in the past; but Slott has been doing a good job at his redemption
 
the whole ten billion robot brides thing still kills me.
 
Yes, jilted robot lover! Looks like Slott had a f***ing awesome payoff in mind for all the creepiness of Pym and Jocasta's relationship. I take back everything bad I ever said about them. :D :D :D

Yeah, imagine that, Dan Slott is a good writer and has a plan. :p I didn't lose faith. I didn't even mind the "creepiness". Pym's a weird guy and always has been. I mean, who REALLY wants to ride on an ant? The only difference is before Pym would try to deny it or cease being so, and during Slott's run he just lets it all hang out because it's how his imagination works best. And, to be fair, a lot of people in real life are not far removed. The smarter many are, the more bat-crap insane they seem to most normal folks.

Naturally, Pym wouldn't let Janet die without a fight, not when the Red Skull of all people has cheated death for 60 years. And poor Jocasta, this isn't the first time she has felt used or under-appreciated.

The issue looks like it ties well in with THUNDERBOLTS, and I am glad that Quicksilver will be heading back. He needs to get back to some position where it seems rational he'd want to side with Pym to teach probies in ACADEMY in May. ;)
 
He already seems to be there to me. "Once an Avenger..." and all. What else is he really gonna do at this point, anyway? He was just randomly checking Transia to see if Wanda might be there in this issue. Teaching new heroes is a lot more productive than just crisscrossing the globe searching at random for his sister, plus the guilt of his lie still weighs on him and I think deep down he wants to atone for it.
 
First thing's first, it's nice to see Jocasta/Jan slap Hank around for once.

Second, Hank wants his love Jocasta to be human and all he changes are her limbs? Dude, if he's gonna have carnal relations with her, why exclude the chest and babymaker? The best Hank is gonna get is an hj...
 
I've really enjoyed Hank's character since he's been back from SI. I'm way excited for Avengers Academy. Speedball (yes he's back!), Justice (reunited with Speedball) Tigra, Hank, and Quicksilver. Plus I hear that Finesse has the photographic reflexes ability which is one of my favorite abilities of all time. So I'm pretty stoked.
 

Slott's Farewell to “Mighty Avengers”

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CBR: Dan, you began your run on “Mighty Avengers” a year-and-a-half ago when you brought together Hank Pym, Hercules, U.S. Agent, Quicksilver, Amadeus Cho, the female robot Jocasta, and the Young Avengers Stature and Vision to form the Mighty Avengers. How does it feel now that book is about to come to an end?

DAN SLOTT: “Mighty Avengers” has been a very strange book. In the beginning, I was trying to put together the most Avengers-like team I could from all the available pieces in the Marvel Universe. It was very hard to find and assemble those. It's like someone says, “You get to write the Avengers” and in your heart of hearts you think, “That's great. I'll have Hawkeye and Wonder Man and Beast.” Then you find out almost all of those guys are taken. So that kind of became part of the fun of the book. I really associated with Hank as the leader of the team, that’s why, throughout the book, he’s constantly saying things like, “This is the best team that I could put together.”



And I think it's a credit to Khoi, the rest of the team and myself that we kept the book going with the cast we had: Hank Pym, Jocasta, and two Young Avengers whose stories we couldn't move along too much because Allan Heinberg had stuff that he wanted to do with them in “ Avengers: The Children's Crusade.” So it was a very bizarre cast to manipulate and move around. I'm very proud that we kept this book in the top 30s without guys like Cap, Iron Man, Thor, Wolverine, and Spider-Man.


You're ready to give your cast a hell of a send off in issue #36, especially Hank Pym. Much of your work on “Mighty” has been about the redemption of Hank Pym as he's worked through a lot of issues from his past. How does Hank feel now that he's being forced to confront his greatest mistake, Ultron?

This story isn't about Hank taking on his mistake. It's more about Ultron assuming the role of Hank's son. He's the heir apparent. He wants to take over all of Hank's new great achievements. He's attempting to seize control of the Infinite Avengers Mansion, which we now know is Hank's attempt to bring back Janet Van Dyne, the original Wasp. Ultron is out to corrupt that for his own nefarious purposes.


Does Ultron have an Oedipus Complex?

His relationship with Hank is very Oedipal, especially when you add Jocasta and her history with both characters into the mix. That whole family tree it's just a wonderful and entertaining mess.


Speaking of Infinite Avengers Mansion, in “Mighty Avengers” #35 you reveal that the Mansion exists in a realm known as Underspace. What else you can tell us about this dimension?


We know what Underspace is, it's the space below the Microverse. Dimension-wise, it's the lowest spot you can reach in the Marvel Universe. Overspace, where Eternity manifests, is the highest spot. So it's a sister dimension to Overspace and through it you can reach any spot in the Marvel U if you fashion a door for it.


The rule governing travel through Underspace was going to be revealed but I believe it ended up on the cutting room floor because we didn't want to give away the reveal that Janet was trapped in it. That rule was you could only use Underspace to travel to places that Janet had been to -- though you could establish another door to it once you’d been there. Does that make sense? So there are limitations even though we didn't quite tell everybody. Hank has been exploring this other dimension with the ultimate goal of restoring Janet, who was transported here at the end of “Secret Invasion.”


The other Mighty Avengers have also been featured recently in Jeff Parker's “Thunderbolts” series, where they've been trying to keep the title characters from stealing one of Asgard's most powerful weapons. Will their “Siege” tie-in adventure continue in “Mighty” #36?

Definitely. I think one of the fun things is looking at just how well Jeff and I have coordinated these stories. It fits together like a nice little puzzle, which is neat. There's some really tight back-and-forth going on here between what's going on with the Thunderbolts and the Mighty Avengers, who now have just gone, “Screw you, Hank Pym! We're going off to Asgard.”


The stories in both books are totally independent, but at the same time if you read both of them it fleshes out to this bigger, richer story, which I think is pretty cool too. Also, by the time you get to the end of “Mighty Avengers” #36, you'll see tie-ins to “Siege” #4. Because of the way books are coming out, there may be a spoiler for something that happens in “Siege” #4 in “Mighty” #36. So a slight heads-up about that. It doesn't tell you how “Siege” ends, but there is a beat in “Siege” #4 that you will see. It does not spoil the final conflict, though.


It's easy to see what Hank has to offer the next generation of Avengers, but what do you think Quicksilver has to offer the students of “Avengers Academy?”

In a kind of Goofus and Gallant way, Pietro has probably seen all the worst things that can happen to an Avenger [laughs]. Though he was lovingly raised by gypsies in the shadows of Mount Wundagore, he was trained by the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants under Magneto. Here's somebody who had a pretty nasty taskmaster when it comes to training a super powered kid.
On the flip side, he was also someone who, by becoming a member of the Avengers, was given a second chance and trained by Captain America. So between Magneto and Cap, that’s a pretty broad range of experience. If there are any troubled kids in Avengers Academy, Quicksilver is someone who may have a sympathetic ear for them.


A bigger question is why would Pietro want to be a teacher in the first place? He's not exactly known for his patience and understanding.

Look at the arc that Quicksilver has had since coming into “Mighty Avengers.” First he's used by Cthon. Then, when he comes out of it, he thinks his sister is back and he's constantly using the Mighty Avengers as a way to try and find his sister. That's forcing him to run these paces and be an Avenger again. Then, when he has his falling out in #34 and he's left to his own devices, he thinks, “I was doing good! I had purpose as an Avenger. This is what I should be doing.” And I think we've got a very nice beat in issue #35 with him going to join his teammates in Asgard and he's thinking, “I'm going to the fight. The Avengers need me. Once an Avenger always an Avenger.”


This is a character who has always wanted to be part of a family and now, with the Scarlet Witch gone and his daughter distanced from him, he's rudderless. What family does he have outside of Magneto? The Avengers. So I think there's a lot of fun stuff involving Pietro for Christos to play with in “Avengers Academy.”


Another thing to think about: Quicksilver and Hank Pym will be working together at Avengers Academy, but right now everyone he’s got some pretty bad feelings about Hank. So something has got to change for that to happen.


Will any other elements of “Mighty Avengers” be carried over to “Avengers Academy?”


Yes, you see Hank and Quicksilver along with some other surprises. They'll be interacting with the new Avengers Academy characters and some classic Marvel characters like Tigra, Justice and Speedball. This is all new, though. This isn't “Avengers: The Initiative.” This is Chris Gage doing his own thing, which is awesome. I can't wait to read that book!
This is a golden time to be an “Avengers” fan. In addition to “Avengers Academy,” you have these two powerhouse books by Brian Michael Bendis. “Avengers” and “New Avengers” are going to be must-reads! Out of all the Heroic Age titles, I think the book I'm most excited for is “Secret Avengers.” It’s gonna be brilliant! It's got War Machine and Moon Knight and Steve Rogers. Plus, it's from Ed Brubaker and Mike Deodato. All the creative teams on all these books are amazing. I also think of “Thunderbolts” now as an Avengers book because of the upcoming Luke Cage involvement. So you have these very strong Avengers titles coming out and it's going to be pretty darn cool.
Looking back, what are you most proud of and what did you most enjoy about your “Mighty Avengers” run?

I really enjoyed working with such a strong team of artists. It was a real pleasure to work with Khoi and I'm expecting him to move on to bigger things now that people have seen what he can do with these “scrappy Avengers.” Rafa Sandoval, Stephen Segovia, Sean Chen and Neil Edwards did some stunning work for us as well. It was fun working with Khoi and this great big mix of creators. I'm going to miss that.


Also, I loved playing in the big tapestry of the Marvel Universe. Once we got past the first arc and our cast was together I think we had some fun stuff in there. I loved doing the two-part FF/Avengers fight. And the Reed Richards-Hank Pym duel was a blast to write. I had a great time with all of the Avengers coming together to face off against the Unspoken. I especially loved the scene with Clint and Cassie on the arrow. Plus, the recent Hank versus Norman battle for the Cosmic Cube was a hoot. I got to have so much fun on this book, especially once we brought in the big toys.
I'm also very proud of where we moved the bar on the character of Hank Pym. We didn't run away from his craziness.



We embraced it and at the same time, hopefully, we elevated him to where people go, “Wow. I never thought of Hank Pym like that.” He's really carried the burden of the Ultron screw up, his bad break up and abusiveness towards Janet, and the fallout from that. So many people have tried to run from that and I think we embraced it in a weird way. We knew he was a strange, quirky character. And I loved the Scientist Supreme bit that has caused so much, as my grandma would say, “tsuris” in the online community. It was a cool moment for me—Eternity, himself smacking Hank Pym around and then offering him a hand up. Seriously, what says Hank Pym more than the rest of the Universe kicking him when he’s down? That is my favorite sequence in the whole run. I hope people feel that with this book, I've told the story of Hank Pym finding a place for himself an interesting place for himself in the Marvel U and that he can move on to new exciting places from here. This is one of the first books in a long time where you had to have Hank stand on his own and I think that was great for the character. He was able to get the kind of focus that he wouldn't have if you had an Iron Man or a Cap or somebody else on the team to steal focus from him. So I think that was cool. Basically, I had a good 16 months telling the story of Hank Pym and his team.


With “Mighty Avengers” coming to an end, what's next for Dan Slott? Any upcoming projects that you can hint, tease, or talk about?

I'll have a story in all four issues of the upcoming “Age of Heroes” anthology, but I'm telling very, very, very short stories. These are one-pagers, modern day versions of Hostess Fruit Pie ads [laughs]. You're getting a six-to-nine-panel story on one page, but important things will happen in these stories. They'll have some things to say about this new Heroic Age. I've also got a one-shot coming up. I believe it will hit October, and it should be announced very soon.



So I'm off the grid for a little bit, but that doesn't mean I'm not working. In fact I think I’m working harder than ever now! The next step for me is huge, probably my biggest challenge in comics to date! There’ll probably be announcement about it around the time of [Comic-Con International in] San Diego. And when you hear about it, then you’ll know why I’m so pumped for this!
 

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