The Official Misc. Villians Reboot Thread

[8wid]

I want Metallo's origin something like this...

John Corben is Luthor’s pit viper for manipulation of global politics. His record is spotless, leading him to focus himself as a narcissist with his unstoppable nature. With Luthor‘s blessing, Corben initiates black market arms deals with Congolese warlords of American heavy and automatic weapons for a new genocide. LexCorp’s secret cut is permission to examine remains of meteorite ore in the Congo‘s rainforests. As civil unrest distracts international attention away from the smaller, illegal operations of LexCorp, Corben’s crew discover fragments of an unknown new element. Things are not stealth any longer as the Man of Steel intervenes in the initial onslaught of the mass murder, and gradually scares the thugs involved to reveal the supplier of their armory. Once Superman traces Corben’s operations to the conflict, he is nothing short of furious in destroying the dig site. Workers on the dig flee into the jungle. A clear gas releases from set traps set by Corben in order to make sure the facts of the expedition vanish. Luthor’s arsenal supply fails utterly to stop the Man of Steel, until Corben spots Supes weakened when exposed to the new element. Only an experienced mercenary like John Corben sees his chance. While, being pursued through the Congolese brush, he slips a fragment into a long-range sniper and breaches the Man of Steel’s skin, revealing his mortality. An incredibly stunned Superman must flee as his body bleeds immensely; he never thought any manmade weapon could injure him. Luthor never leaves another man with his prize, and learns the new potential weapon he will later dub kryptonite. Not wanting anyone aware of this knowledge, an embedded chemical toxin set in the pit viper’s rifle releases as part of measure to kill him in case of such a discovery. Instead, it he falls from his perch unconscious. He somehow confuses an injured Man of Steel for this action when LexCorp later rescues him.

 

[Frodo]

I'd actually have Metallo and intergang be the villians in part one. Morgan Edge would be the head of intergang and John Corbin would be his top guy. Toyman would work for Edge helping him with his product. Intergang would basically grip Metropolis in fear before Superman arrives .Lex would actually be a target of intergang and Corbin . I'd have Brainac make an apperance at the beginning during the Krypton sequence but bring him back as the villian in part 2.

 

[The Guard]

In one version of my SUPERMAN script, Corben worked for Intergang (it just makes sense). I would use Braniac to create Metallo, though (With Luthor's blessing). Let's face it, that's some high end technology, and I just don't see Luthor simply turning a man into a cyborg with Kryptonite when he has the Kryptonite. It just seems like a bit much. Now, an alien demigod robot who can manipulate technology? He might.

In my SUPERMAN 2 script, Braniac brings Kryptonite to everyone's attention when he arrives on Earth, and creates and uses Metallo as an "experiment" of sorts, to test Superman's limits and emotional stability. He also looses The Parasite on Metropolis.

The idea was that not only did Braniac want to collect specimens and knowledge, he wanted to leave parts of himself behind on Earth when he left. Hybrids, of a sort.

 

[fabman]

Okay, I know I might get flamed for opening this thread, but I want to ask you:

Do they have to go the supervillain route in the Superman Reboot?

You know, what I mean by supervillains is characters such as Metallo and Brainiac.

I mean, if we see Superman for the first time in the Reboot, I think that he should be seen as a threat by the citizens, with Lex Luthor going after him and trying to show the people that he's nothing more than a threat to humans.

Of course, Superman should kick some ass. They could go after him with advanced / alien technology, ultimately transforming Metropolis into a war zone.

I don't know it the reboot could work without supervillains such as Metallo and Braniac. What do you think?

 

[dark_b]

the reason why there is a reboot is because there was no cliche ending . not cliche fight for the masses.

everyone is getting a fight. even batman. superman not?


meeeh.

 

[fabman]

I don't find Superman Returns all that interesting. Maybe that's why there's a reboot.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Yes they do have to go the Supervillain route. I'm not going to flame you but I'm shocked you are asking this question as I find it to be a real no brainer.

 

[fabman]

Well, it depends. I'm the first guy who wants the new Superman flick to have action, action, and action (and a great script), but it's not like a supervillain would be the only way to get that. Imagine Metropolis as a playground for Lex Luthor to ruin Superman's imagine. I'm thinking of explosions, massive destruction and maybe Intergang providing alien techonology.

Introducing Superman, the Kents, the Daily Planet staff, Lex Luthor and a character such as Brainiac could be too much. By that I don't mean they should hold back, either, you know?

 

[dark_b]

I don't find Superman Returns all that interesting. Maybe that's why there's a reboot.

peopel can writte all they want but fro mall the movies that i saw in the last 10 years i think there is a summerblocbuster formula.
and if it is true that means that if superman is talking to flying monkeys and has in the same movie some jokes and a super fight it will make money.

 

[Slusho]

Okay, I know I might get flamed for opening this thread, but I want to ask you:

Do they have to go the supervillain route in the Superman Reboot?

You know, what I mean by supervillains is characters such as Metallo and Brainiac.

I mean, if we see Superman for the first time in the Reboot, I think that he should be seen as a threat by the citizens, with Lex Luthor going after him and trying to show the people that he's nothing more than a threat to humans.

Of course, Superman should kick some ass. They could go after him with advanced / alien technology, ultimately transforming Metropolis into a war zone.

I don't know it the reboot could work without supervillains such as Metallo and Braniac. What do you think?

I've also thought about that.

A story like the first episode of Superman TAS could work IMO:
no supervillain, but a lot of action due to Luthors advanced war technology he tried to sell to terrorists.
This also set up Lex as an evil businessman, but only Superman knew it.

 

[fabman]

I've also thought about that.

A story like the first episode of Superman TAS could work IMO:
no supervillain, but a lot of action due to Luthors advanced war technology he tried to sell to terrorists.
This also set up Lex as an evil businessman, but only Superman knew it.

Yeah, something like that is what I was talking about!

 

[BATZARRO WWD]

Well, as an enthusiast, I'd LIKE to see a villain. However, yeah, it doesn't necessarilly have to have a villain to be good.

 

[Slusho]

Yeah, something like that is what I was talking about!

If done right, such a story could lift a Superman Film over regular superhero films and turn it into a crime epic like TDK.

Of course I will now get flamed and be told that Batman is not Superman, but such an approach would work with the "darker films" comments made by the WB executive in WSJ.

 

[Nathan]

Sure, I don't mind having just Superman Vs Lex for the majority of the time, but at the end there should be a super villain for a super punch out. I want to finally see Superman with todays technology punching someone through buildings, getting pummeled into the ground, getting overpowered and brought near his limits.

I don't just want some goons with advanced weapons, I want someone that can go toe-to-toe with Superman as well.

 

[NeoRanger]

I'll tell you that; one of my personal favorite things about Superman is the little things he can do we can't. Generally, I enjoy it a great deal when he's catching falling planes and stops out-of-control trains. Whatever problems I had with SR in terms of action came from lacking enough of those, not a villain. So, really, if a reboot were to take that route, I'd be along for the ride.

Having said that, it's high time they went the super-villain route. For one, an action summer-flick has to have a punch-out and explosions, because it's simply downright fun. And then, even from a fan's perspective, poor guy never gets to punch anyone. Last time he did it was with a quite limited special-effects technology in 1980 (I won't even mention the Nucelar Man- typo intended).

And, you can't expect the general public to either see Superman's coolness (which very much exists, despite what many nay-sayers will say) or get the idea of him being universally untouchable out of their heads, if he doesn't go up against a villain who can take him. Darkseid maybe better left for a JLA film, but it's time we saw someone make Superman bleed without some sort of trick. Not because it's "rad", but because it's part of the character. He's not unkillable.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Well, it depends. I'm the first guy who wants the new Superman flick to have action, action, and action (and a great script), but it's not like a supervillain would be the only way to get that. Imagine Metropolis as a playground for Lex Luthor to ruin Superman's imagine. I'm thinking of explosions, massive destruction and maybe Intergang providing alien techonology.

Introducing Superman, the Kents, the Daily Planet staff, Lex Luthor and a character such as Brainiac could be too much. By that I don't mean they should hold back, either, you know?

See I want a Supervillain fight so the anwser is still no. With all of the moderen technology I think that a Supervillain battle would finally be awesome so I'm saying no. SR already did what you are preposing and it didn't work for me so no, no, no, no, no, no, and finally NO!

Superman has only fought Supervillains in one of his 5 movies and the one movie that he fault them in had to work with 70's technology so once again: Absolutely positively NO!

Honestly, I can't believe you'd perpose this. You think that it would be a good idea to, once again, have Superman fighting nature, and only nature? When would we ever get to a Supervillain? 2020?

 

[Nathan]

I'm getting chills only thinking about how awesome a punch-out could be with today's technology. The earth shaking with every blow, buildings crumbling like card houses, Superman's heat vision unleashed without holding back.

To realize his full potential for a movie, you just need someone that can challenge him physically. No tricks, no weapons, no lame Kryptonite for the umpteenth time. Just bare fists on bone.

 

[fabman]

I don't think Superman Returns did what I'm proposing, I just remember bland characters, a ridiculous Kryptonite island and lots of Peter Jackson-esque cinematography and tons of unneeded CGI. Not at all what I'm talking about. And Superman wouldn't be fighting nature. Actually, do you remember Birthright? Something in that vein, just crazier.

If they're putting in a supervillain just for the sake of it. The Incredible Hulk did that, it was kinda fun... but I had forgotten about that movie after 30 seconds. That flick's fun, but kinda mediocre.

 

[dark_b]

i hate with a passion : ''lets what for the sequel''

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I don't think Superman Returns did what I'm proposing, I just remember bland characters, a ridiculous Kryptonite island and lots of Peter Jackson-esque cinematography and tons of unneeded CGI. Not at all what I'm talking about. And Superman wouldn't be fighting nature. Actually, do you remember Birthright? Something in that vein, just crazier.

If they're putting in a supervillain just for the sake of it. The Incredible Hulk did that, it was kinda fun... but I had forgotten about that movie after 30 seconds. That flick's fun, but kinda mediocre.

I had so many misspellings in that last post.

Anywho: Yes I remember Brithright and I wouldn't disagree with you if it weren't for the fact that Superman 78 didn't feature a Supervillain
and Superman Returns didn't feature one. Those were the start of franchises. This new Superman is supposed to be too why does it have to do the same thing that they did in this regard? Why can't we ever have a Superman franchise start off with a Supervillain? "If they're putting in a supervillain just for the sake of it." By that logic we will never be able to see a Supervillain.

You seem to think that a Supervillain will just waste valuable time and I just can't agree with that.

i hate with a passion : ''lets what for the sequel''

Exactly. I feel like if it were up to some people I'd never get to see Superman fight a Supervillain.

 

[dark_b]

Exactly. I feel like if it were up to some people I'd never get to see Superman fight a Supervillain.

if it would be up to some people here you would get a reboot with : the same krypton from S:TM,theme music ,suit and even a CGI reeve(joke)

 

[fabman]

I'm not talking about "let's wait for the sequel".

if it would be up to some people here you would get a reboot with : the same krypton from S:TM,theme music ,suit and even a CGI reeve(joke)

That's exactly what I do not want. That's also another thing I don't like about Superman Returns.

I hope that they won't just introduce a "supervillain" in the third act, just for the sake of letting them fight a bit, without any regards to the story they actually want to tell. If this turns out to be as memorable as The Incredible Hulk, well, then they've missed the point again.

 

[Nathan]

The only real question is, what super villain should appear first? Brainiac? Metallo? Parasite? Bizarro? etc.

Darkseid is definitely a JLA villain. And I don't know if anyone would want to see Doomsday, but if he were to appear I'd say keep him for the 3rd movie.

 

[The Guard]

Do they have to go this route? No. They will, though.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I'm not talking about "let's wait for the sequel", either.

Thats what it sounds like to me. lol Listen this topic is a can of worms for me. "If" WB were dumb enough to make yet another Supervillainless Superman movie I'd give up on the characters live action persona for good. Luckly I'm 100% sure that they aren't that stupid.