The Official Misc. Villians Reboot Thread

[SuperDaniel]

Luthor, Brainiac, Mercy and Intergang in the first movie in my script.

 

[Sub-Zero]

i was watching the new spider-man cartoon, and they did something pretty interesting. they set up all the villains in the first few episodes.like some were bank robbers, scientists, friends, and "the big man" made them into super-powered villains.the superman animated series did something similar too. i think they should do the same for a superman movie. easy set ups could be used for john corbin(metallo), rudy jones(parasite), intergang leading to darkseid, hell even bizarro.

the studio(and the comics kinda) just needs to get out of this mindset that zod and luthor are superman's only threatening villains.

 

[bulletbillx]

i was watching the new spider-man cartoon, and they did something pretty interesting. they set up all the villains in the first few episodes.like some were bank robbers, scientists, friends, and "the big man" made them into super-powered villains.the superman animated series did something similar too. i think they should do the same for a superman movie. easy set ups could be used for john corbin(metallo), rudy jones(parasite), intergang leading to darkseid, hell even bizarro.

the studio(and the comics kinda) just needs to get out of this mindset that zod and luthor are superman's only threatening villains.

this would be cool, but i think even if he isnt a main villain/focused on that Lex should be at least a member of the supporting cast who is constantly planning things, and even sometimes reluctantly helps superman/earth against the huge threats like darkseid/intergang. he is superman's greatest foe after all and if written properly is a very complex character.

they should abandon using zod as the only physical threat though. darkseid is a better extraterestrial tyrant to be fighting anyway.

 

[Sub-Zero]

this would be cool, but i think even if he isnt a main villain/focused on that Lex should be at least a member of the supporting cast who is constantly planning things, and even sometimes reluctantly helps superman/earth against the huge threats like darkseid/intergang. he is superman's greatest foe after all and if written properly is a very complex character.

they should abandon using zod as the only physical threat though. darkseid is a better extraterestrial tyrant to be fighting anyway.

well since the 80s lex has been very kingpin-like, but with more to do. i just want them to stop trying to make a story about an alien that comes to earth so "realistic."

 

[bulletbillx]

well since the 80s lex has been very kingpin-like, but with more to do. i just want them to stop trying to make a story about an alien that comes to earth so "realistic."

I actually agree. Keep the realism for more street level heroes like batman, daredevil, and maybe spider-man.

 

[Sawyer]

I just dont want Hackman's Lex...

 

[DavidTyler]

well since the 80s lex has been very kingpin-like, but with more to do. i just want them to stop trying to make a story about an alien that comes to earth so "realistic."

yeah ...about that....

Superman is a SCIENCE FICTION character.

He needs to be handled in an intelligent and semi-plausable way.

His interactions with other characters need to be realistic (at least as realistic as people get in a movie). The interactions in Batman Begins and Iron Man are very much along the lines of what I'm talking about.

The supporting cast needs to be realistic as well. Again - as realistic as those other films I mentioned.

I don't want to see another implausable plot like Luthor's land scheme in SR. Just so this doesn't start another flaming - the reason it's unbelievable is that the flooding in other countries by the water displacement of Luthor's new land mass would wipe out the very customers that he's planning on letting buy into his island.

oh... and having said that ... I want corporate shark Luthor.. that is a lot more realistic than 'mad scientist Luthor'. It makes the character a lot more complex and interesting as well.

So - when you complain about people trying to make Superman realistic, you really need to define what aspects of the character you're talking about.

For me, I want Superman as realistic as the concept will allow. I don't want to see him act like a cardboard, 2-dimensional cartoon. I don't want the plots to seem ridiculous. I want his supporting cast to be as up-to-date and believable as any other movie out today.

 

[SuperDaniel]

I want corporate Lex and scientist at the same time, like in Birthright. In my script, Luthor develops new technollogy using a kryptonian pod(aka Eradicator/Brainiac) that fell in the artic and with that, makes advances in the field and creates LexCorp becoming the big star of the city and the world.

 

[Sub-Zero]

yeah ...about that....

Superman is a SCIENCE FICTION character.

He needs to be handled in an intelligent and semi-plausable way.

His interactions with other characters need to be realistic (at least as realistic as people get in a movie). The interactions in Batman Begins and Iron Man are very much along the lines of what I'm talking about.

The supporting cast needs to be realistic as well. Again - as realistic as those other films I mentioned.

I don't want to see another implausable plot like Luthor's land scheme in SR. Just so this doesn't start another flaming - the reason it's unbelievable is that the flooding in other countries by the water displacement of Luthor's new land mass would wipe out the very customers that he's planning on letting buy into his island.

oh... and having said that ... I want corporate shark Luthor.. that is a lot more realistic than 'mad scientist Luthor'. It makes the character a lot more complex and interesting as well.

So - when you complain about people trying to make Superman realistic, you really need to define what aspects of the character you're talking about.

For me, I want Superman as realistic as the concept will allow. I don't want to see him act like a cardboard, 2-dimensional cartoon. I don't want the plots to seem ridiculous. I want his supporting cast to be as up-to-date and believable as any other movie out today.

nah. i mean i'm for a faithful interpretation. science fiction doesn't always have to be battlestar galactica, which was more social commentary than sci-fi, imo. your examples of batman begins and iron man are good, but they aren't super-powered. they rely on science and technology and are easily incorporated into a realistic setting b/c with progress in technology they could eventually be real. but we're far from having some psycho running around in a costume actually fighting crime without getting arrested, let alone an alien saving us from cosmic threats.

when i say "realistic" i'm more leaning toward luthor being the only villain b/c he's human, or superman having a son out of wedlock with lois b/c it's societal problem today. it just does make sense.its like they are so afraid to use an alien villain that's not kryptonian, or transform a human into a super-powered villain.

i kinda liked how the animated series did it. like it used a semi-realistic tone, and still stayed pretty faithful without bastardizing things too much. i thought the introductions of metallo, parasite, bizarro, brainiac, and superman's origin were done fairly well. those stories could be incorporated into live action movies easily too. i'm not saying it should be exactly like it but they could use the show as a benchmark.

 

[SuperDaniel]

**** no. Superman is a fantasy character and that's the approach needed for the movie. I want to see alien threats and all. It's about dreams and fantasies. It's about flight and imagination.

Singer screwed himself over with this reality BS. It doesn't work for Superman.

It's like saying Green Lantern without the corps, OA, aliens.

Superman has all the ingredients in his story. Why foccus on just one when you can have it all?

Luthor's plot problem is not that it wasn't realistic. It was just plain stupid, his motivations were stupid and so was the character.

 

[GreenKToo]

I want a corporate Lex with eyes on the Whitehouse. He's Ruthless, powerhungry, and has a touch of the mad scientist Lex.

I want most of the villains to have been created by Lex in his attempts to destroy Superman, ie parasite, Bizarro, metallo.

Brainiac should be working for Darkseid. He's sent to earth first to test the M.O.S.'s strength and resolve. Its later discovered that he (Brainiac) and Darkseid were responsible for the destruction of Krypton.

 

[SuperDaniel]

I like your ideas except the Last one. Hell no to Darkseid connected to Krypton. He should be just an intergallatic Hitler.

 

[GreenKToo]

I kinda like it. What if Krypton were somehow connected to Apolkolips like new genesis is?
I know its waaay out there. Still tho, its fun to think about.

 

[SuperDaniel]

If it was up to me:

1 - Braniac, Luthor and Intergang.

2 - Parasite, Metallo, Inergang with weapons from Apokolips, Luthor in the run for president.

3 - President Luthor, Darkseid, Metallo, Parasite, Intergang and World War III.

 

[MadVillainy]

^^^Each movie is way too stuffed
Limit it to 1-2 villains each time especially with Darkseid

1- Brainiac and Luthor
2- Metallo and Luthor
3- Darkseid/Apokolips

 

[Nightwing1977]

If it was up to me:

1 - Braniac, Luthor and Intergang.

2 - Parasite, Metallo, Inergang with weapons from Apokolips, Luthor in the run for president.

3 - President Luthor, Darkseid, Metallo, Parasite, Intergang and World War III.

I think that way too much villians per film. It kinda remind me of Spider-Man 3 & Batman and Robin with having too much villians. Let just go with one major villian & a minor villian (like Luthor) that doesn't have too much screen time.

 

[The Guard]

Like Mercy, Intergang can be a constant presence throughout the films, their influence and role building from film to film. They don't need to be a "villain", per se.

SUPERMAN
Luthor and Bizarro

SUPERMAN 2
Luthor and Braniac, who creates The Parasite and Metallo

SUPERMAN 3
Luthor and Zod. An amazing, world-ending version of Zod. One that doesn't suck.

Don't think we need to see Doomsday. Don't think we ever need to get that far into things, ditto Lex Luthor as President. It's fine to mention political ambitions or a larger design, but Lex needs to end the series as a psychotic mad scientist, not Presidential material. Darkseid is a JLA villain at this point, despite his origins, and Intergang can exist without him. He's way, way too big to waste in a Superman movie, though I would go to see him there in a heartbeat.

 

[Webhead2006]

if bizarro was to be used i rather see him show up in a second film of a trilogy. I would go with luthor(corp) and brainaic for 1st. Then luthor/bizarro for second. Then intergang/darkseid for 3rd.

 

[SuperDaniel]

^^^Each movie is way too stuffed
Limit it to 1-2 villains each time especially with Darkseid

1- Brainiac and Luthor
2- Metallo and Luthor
3- Darkseid/Apokolips

Well...that's basically it. It is not that it is stuffed...Intergang is not really a villain. It is just a link between more important things. You have to realize a movie is like 2 hours long. You have to create enough story for this time frame and still make a nice transition and make everything important. The Dark Knight had Joker, Sacrecrow, all those goons, Two-face, Moroni and they all fit the story. When i write them, you'll see that i'll make them fit perfectly. The 3rd has a lot of villains because it is basically World War III. Everyone has to chose a side. So far i'm halfway into the first one.

 

[SuperDaniel]

Like Mercy, Intergang can be a constant presence throughout the films, their influence and role building from film to film. They don't need to be a "villain", per se.

SUPERMAN
Luthor and Bizarro

SUPERMAN 2
Luthor and Braniac, who creates The Parasite and Metallo

SUPERMAN 3
Luthor and Zod. An amazing, world-ending version of Zod. One that doesn't suck.

Don't think we need to see Doomsday. Don't think we ever need to get that far into things, ditto Lex Luthor as President. It's fine to mention political ambitions or a larger design, but Lex needs to end the series as a psychotic mad scientist, not Presidential material. Darkseid is a JLA villain at this point, despite his origins, and Intergang can exist without him. He's way, way too big to waste in a Superman movie, though I would go to see him there in a heartbeat.

He is obviously going to get dethroned in my script at least. I doubt a JLA movie is happening and i loved the way it was done in TAS so Darkseid is for me a Superman villain.

 

[GreenKToo]

i'd have Darkseid in the background for all 3 films.
The first film
Just a hint or two of Darkseid in the first, just enough to let you know he is there in the background. Brainiac would be the main villain with Lex there as well....


The 2nd.
`actually show Darkseid in the second film. He'd be preparing an invasion of Earth. Show Apolkolips in all its hellish fury. Darkseid sends Kalabac s/p? to Earth to test the M.O.S.
Lex, Metallo, and Kalabac are the villains. Lex and Metallo have no connection to Kalabac.
Metallo would be defeated at the first of the film just to show that Lex will NEVER give up in his bid to destroy Superman

The 3rd. A full on invasion of Earth lead by Darkseid and all his armies.
All the countries of the world unite against this threat.
Reports appear from throughout the world about other superpowered beings rising up and taking on Darkseid's armies as well. It never actually shows them, it just hints at them from news reports.

The fight between Superman and Darkseid would be nothing short of amazing.

 

[SuperDaniel]

^That's basically what i'm going to do with my scripts.

 

[manofsteel4life]

i'd have Darkseid in the background for all 3 films.
The first film
Just a hint or two of Darkseid in the first, just enough to let you know he is there in the background. Brainiac would be the main villain with Lex there as well....


The 2nd.
`actually show Darkseid in the second film. He'd be preparing an invasion of Earth. Show Apolkolips in all its hellish fury. Darkseid sends Kalabac s/p? to Earth to test the M.O.S.
Lex, Metallo, and Kalabac are the villains. Lex and Metallo have no connection to Kalabac.
Metallo would be defeated at the first of the film just to show that Lex will NEVER give up in his bid to destroy Superman

The 3rd. A full on invasion of Earth lead by Darkseid and all his armies.
All the countries of the world unite against this threat.
Reports appear from throughout the world about other superpowered beings rising up and taking on Darkseid's armies as well. It never actually shows them, it just hints at them from news reports.

The fight between Superman and Darkseid would be nothing short of amazing.

that would be an awesome sight to see....it saddens me that wb is not willing to have a trilogy like this...well maybe times will change

 

[Mutagen]

i'd have Darkseid in the background for all 3 films.
The first film
Just a hint or two of Darkseid in the first, just enough to let you know he is there in the background. Brainiac would be the main villain with Lex there as well....


The 2nd.
`actually show Darkseid in the second film. He'd be preparing an invasion of Earth. Show Apolkolips in all its hellish fury. Darkseid sends Kalabac s/p? to Earth to test the M.O.S.
Lex, Metallo, and Kalabac are the villains. Lex and Metallo have no connection to Kalabac.
Metallo would be defeated at the first of the film just to show that Lex will NEVER give up in his bid to destroy Superman

The 3rd. A full on invasion of Earth lead by Darkseid and all his armies.
All the countries of the world unite against this threat.
Reports appear from throughout the world about other superpowered beings rising up and taking on Darkseid's armies as well. It never actually shows them, it just hints at them from news reports.

The fight between Superman and Darkseid would be nothing short of amazing.

That's pretty much how I'd do Darkseid as well. Just make sure he has nothing to do with him destroying Krypton, and it's all golden.

Good ideas otherwise though.

 

[bulletbillx]

i'd have Darkseid in the background for all 3 films.
The first film
Just a hint or two of Darkseid in the first, just enough to let you know he is there in the background. Brainiac would be the main villain with Lex there as well....


The 2nd.
`actually show Darkseid in the second film. He'd be preparing an invasion of Earth. Show Apolkolips in all its hellish fury. Darkseid sends Kalabac s/p? to Earth to test the M.O.S.
Lex, Metallo, and Kalabac are the villains. Lex and Metallo have no connection to Kalabac.
Metallo would be defeated at the first of the film just to show that Lex will NEVER give up in his bid to destroy Superman

The 3rd. A full on invasion of Earth lead by Darkseid and all his armies.
All the countries of the world unite against this threat.
Reports appear from throughout the world about other superpowered beings rising up and taking on Darkseid's armies as well. It never actually shows them, it just hints at them from news reports.

The fight between Superman and Darkseid would be nothing short of amazing.

That sounds awesome. Make the fight show Superman at full power vs nothing short of the god that is Darkseid. Basically if done right it could be one of the best fight scenes in cinema.