The Official Mitt Romney Thread II

[enterthemadness]

He's on the side that believes the two party system is a giant facade to distract the public from what's really going on. It's the same small group of people at the top controlling everything regardless of which puppet politician happens to be in office.

Well to be fair...the Commission on Presidential Debates is controlled by former Democrats and Republicans...after Perot got in the debates, it was either in 96 or 00 that the 5% polling for 3rd parties to get into debates...got raised to 15%.

The bright side is pressure has already forced ONE SPONSOR of the debates to drop it's sponsorship until a 3rd party is included.

And there is no difference between parties...they both suck.

We need the Libertarians to rise. Not the Greens, don't care much for their nominee Stein. Libertarians are more popular, their are more of us already...but if rich people backed Green Party and not Libertarian, I be pissed, but would watch the debates if Greens got in. I watch if any 3rd party got in really, just rather it be the LP.

 

[Excel]

My favorite Obama accomplishments is the "surge" in Afghanistan (look how well it is doing aka NOT), raising health premiums for families as a part of his health reforms, encouraging young people not to buy insurance, increasing inequality, and NOT PROSECUTING ONE SINGLE MOTHER****ER AFTER THE 2008 FINANCIAL CRISIS.

Outside of the 2007 bit, which is pathetically true, the rest are half truths. I.E. the cost of premiums is worth helping to ensure that everybody gets health insurance; allowing children to stay on their parents healthcare till their 26 is a good thing.

Increasing inequality is a highly debatable and subjective point.

Seems rather premature to discount the Republican party as a whole. They have the house, and have a good chance at taking control of the senate.

There are several reasons to have little faith in the Republican parties future chances at taking the White House.

1) The problem is, the economy IS getting better. Barack Obama has an approval rating over 50%, he is slated to get 300+ electoral votes....and his 2nd term is a near lock to be far better statistically than his 1st term. If for no reason other than that it is the economic cycle, the economy will continue to improve in the next four years, and Obama will be the one receiving the credit.

2) They just don't have anybody. We've heard this for years now; "Oh, Bobby Jindal! He is our version of obama!", than it was Palin, now its guys like Paul Ryan and Marco Rubio. They *say* that these guys are charismatic, youthful Republicans who lead the next generation.

Then you watch these guys speak, and its "Thats it?". Bobby Jindals kindergarten teacher-esque state of the Union Response. Paul Ryan creepy, awkward smug smiles and weird delivery. He excites hardcore conservatives, but nobody else. Rubio is not nearly as well spoken as they made it sound like; he doesnt hold a candle to Clinton or espec. Obama, and he certainly doesnt seem to be the powerhouse candidate who could take on a Hillary Clinton type of candidate. None of these guys, as personalities or as politicians, have the MASS APPEAL needed to win, an thats largely due to their biggest problem:

3) The establishment just DOES. NOT. GET. IT. They are turning off more and more voters every year; the harder they stick to the religious /cheap principles, the more people they are alienating. They continue to prove they are better at running their mouths than running campaigns, or god forbid, the country.

The consumers are leaving the business because they do not like the product. Before they are to become competitive again, they need to reexamine their business model.

As long as these problems exist, the democrats can run even the most incompetent of candidates with the worst of records for the time...and still win healthily.

See this years election.

 

[enterthemadness]

I don't wan to be 26 and living at home and on parents health insurance.

But I guess if Obama says it's okay....

-_-...

 

[Anita18]

I don't wan to be 26 and living at home and on parents health insurance.

But I guess if Obama says it's okay....

-_-...

Truth is that a lot of jobs straight out of college don't have health benefits. Not anymore. So there's that...

 

[Excel]

I think theyll have to better than "ignore the unemployed that it helps, focus on the few it makes lazy!"

 

[Atom Ant]

I don't wan to be 26 and living at home and on parents health insurance.

But I guess if Obama says it's okay....

-_-...

then don't stay at home and go get your own insurance. no one is forcing you to stay at home and on your parent's insurance. but most people welcome the chance to keep their kids on their insurance.

 

[Atom Ant]

In other words, Adelson is spending millions of dollars to curry political favor in the United States, hoping to fend off charges that he spent millions of dollars to curry political favor in Asia.

 

[enterthemadness]

then don't stay at home and go get your own insurance. no one is forcing you to stay at home and on your parent's insurance. but most people welcome the chance to keep their kids on their insurance.

It was really a bad joke, but I am looking for better work so I can move out. As for insurance, I actually believe no one should be forced to buy insurance or face a fine(like we do under ObamaCare starting next year). Let Health insurance companies compete for consumers. I know how to take care of my body if I want to, I would rather pay for Dental and auto insurance than health insurance. Of course in NH, auto insurance is just a option. One day I will move there...via Free State Project.

If I recall correctly...I may be wrong...but it would be cheaper to pay the fine of...I think 600-800 bucks a year...than have Walmart health insurance. Cause before I quit, I was gonna put in for it, but the deductible was like 1200...and I was like...um no, I only make $7.90 full-time.

 

[Smashlilman]

Check out the current issue of Newsweek.

The cover story feature is about Obama being the Democrat's Reagan. There are striking similarities between the two men's first terms--Ronald had mixed reviews in his as well. The article states that Obama winning reelection could be the item that shocks the GOP back to reality. A second defeat could cause Republicans to really take a hard look at what they've become and fix it (much like Reagan pulled the extreme left Dem party back from the edge to balance in 1980s).

That won't happen. When Romney loses they'll just say it was because he was a moderate.

 

[Atom Ant]

It was really a bad joke, but I am looking for better work so I can move out. As for insurance, I actually believe no one should be forced to buy insurance or face a fine(like we do under ObamaCare starting next year). Let Health insurance companies compete for consumers. I know how to take care of my body if I want to, I would rather pay for Dental and auto insurance than health insurance. Of course in NH, auto insurance is just a option. One day I will move there...via Free State Project.

If I recall correctly...I may be wrong...but it would be cheaper to pay the fine of...I think 600-800 bucks a year...than have Walmart health insurance. Cause before I quit, I was gonna put in for it, but the deductible was like 1200...and I was like...um no, I only make $7.90 full-time.

Well it's like this. You have this safety net that has been in place since Reagan and some people who can afford insurance don't get it because they know the net will catch them. They will go to the ER like Romney suggested and let the taxpayer pick up the tab. It's expensive and not very comprehensive. This will at least get the freeloaders to have some skin in the game and give them more coverage than just the ER.
If you make 8 bucks an hour that's about 16,400 yr gross. the first tier flat fee for you to buy a plan would be 95 bucks for 2014. not the fine but an actual policy. that would go up to 325 bucks in 2015. and 411 dollars a year for every year after that.

that's a lot less than the Wal Mart policy they were offering you.

 

[Paradoxium]

This would destabilize everything and smaller regions would get swallowed up by the power of larger regions. Small regions would be prosecuted for ideas and beliefes. The crazies would merge into one region and wed have a state of crazies. Some regions would have more access to the natural resource and would tax other regions put the ass for them. You'd still need an overseeing government to ensure regions don't try to interfere in other regions, extort, and wage wars. Trade would be a mess due to the wildly differing ideas and policies. No that system wouldnt work. Its like a hand. One finger cant do much but unite them into a fist and you have a powerful tool. If anything this world needs to unite under one large system not fracture more.

Good news for you, we already do that.

 

[Paradoxium]

Outside of the 2007 bit, which is pathetically true, the rest are half truths. I.E. the cost of premiums is worth helping to ensure that everybody gets health insurance; allowing children to stay on their parents healthcare till their 26 is a good thing.

Increasing inequality is a highly debatable and subjective point.

Let me get this straight. The youth and young adult population has the biggest employment issue in the entire country. Healthwise, they are probably the most optimal. The fine/tax for not having insurance is smaller than the cost of insurance. Obamacare demands no preconditions.

What do you think will happen?

Intending and wanting one thing, is the not same as executing the ideas. This is the problem.

Besides that, not prosecuting one single ****er tells me everything I need to know.

 

[Hotwire]

So, Romneycare was great and an awesome way to help the people of Massachusetts BUT, Obamacare, which is based on that awesome Romneycare, sucks and should be repealed. Got it!

http://news.yahoo.com/romney-talks-...s-role-mass-014157036--abc-news-politics.html

 

[Kelly]

I'm not sure that something that works well in a small state, will necessarily work well for an entire country. We shall see....

 

[CaptainCraig]

I'm not sure that something that works well in a small state, will necessarily work well for an entire country. We shall see....

It won't the math alone solves that probability.
I hope we don't have to see. Since SCOTUS screwed up we need it overturned at the Congressional level.

 

[Marvolo]

Good news for you, we already do that.

I don't see crazy states, trade embargoes, wars among states, or any of the other stuff i mentioned in that post. If we were independent states you would see that, but not united states regulated by a single government body. Or was you saying we do something else?

 

[Marvolo]

It won't the math alone solves that probability.
I hope we don't have to see. Since SCOTUS screwed up we need it overturned at the Congressional level.

Our old system wasn't working either. Obviously a wrong doesnt fix a wrong but maybe both parties should have came up with a real fix instead of letting a half assed one get through. We are suppossed to be a melting pot of people and ideas. The world is full of health care systems. Look at them and pick all the best ideas and make one for us.

 

[Lighthouse]

I find it really sad seeing both campaigns trying to severely lower expectations for the first debate. Romney and Obama throw lots of insults at each other, but when it comes to debating it's all "That other guy is a great debater!"

 

[Paradoxium]

I see plenty of crazy sovereign states right now, didn't you listen to Mr. 12th Imam lately? I see trade embargoes and proxy wars. Why the hell do you think Russia shells out crap to Iran?

These de facto Democracies is a one way trip to dishonest accounting. It's how it will always end. That's why the founders were anti-Democracy and "tried" to create a constitutional republic in the first place. The jokers in Europe have been doing a good job proving how awesome dishonest accounting is.

 

[Kelly]

True....but dox you know we've done the same damn thing...

hell at one point we were selling arms to BOTH Iraq and Iran, because them fighting each other was good for us back in the 80s....

 

[CaptainCraig]

Our old system wasn't working either. Obviously a wrong doesnt fix a wrong but maybe both parties should have came up with a real fix instead of letting a half assed one get through. We are suppossed to be a melting pot of people and ideas. The world is full of health care systems. Look at them and pick all the best ideas and make one for us.

I don't think any objective person would disagree our Healthcare system needed some tweaks.

ACA(Obamacare) is an overhaul of the worst design though. So bad Pelosi and co wouldn't allow it to be viewed unless it was voted on and passed. That's a clear sign it's not right. Since it's passing the real costs are being seen which are higher and more impactful on the middle/lower class than they were selling.

I'm a fan of allowing states and private insurers to compete across state lines. Competition always brings costs down for the consumer. I can only guess that lobbying has kept it the way it still is/was.
I'm not saying that's the magic bullet but it's a damn better tweak than ACA.

 

[Kelly]

I don't think any objective person would disagree our Healthcare system needed some tweaks.

ACA(Obamacare) is an overhaul of the worst design though. So bad Pelosi and co wouldn't allow it to be viewed unless it was voted on and passed. That's a clear sign it's not right. Since it's passing the real costs are being seen which are higher and more impactful on the middle/lower class than they were selling.

I'm a fan of allowing states and private insurers to compete across state lines. Competition always brings costs down for the consumer. I can only guess that lobbying has kept it the way it still is/was.
I'm not saying that's the magic bullet but it's a damn better tweak than ACA.

It wouldn't have mattered if they could have read it BEFORE it was passed......it was written by lobbyists and lawyers, in such a way that two of my lawyer friends here in Houston said that it looked like it was purposefully written to not be understood....they were amazed at how it was written.

 

[SV Fan]

Romney finally found an issue he can win with

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/28/mitt-romney-lyme-disease-virginia-voters_n_1923885.html

Mitt Romney Pledges To Control Lyme Disease Epidemic 'Wreaking Havoc' On Virginia In Mailer

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

Ya stick a fork in Mittens cuz he's done. I don't see him getting much of a bump from the debates and his ads are very weak. Obama's ads have been making him look stupid here in Florida. The only way he leads is if you take that guy from unskewed polls who just decided to change all the numbers

 

[samsnee]

October's a long month. A lot can still happen that can tighten the race up. I'm not saying he will take the lead, but the gap will more than likely close again. He's lucky the 47% video came out earlier this month. If it had come out in mid-October, he'd definitely be toast.