Comics The Official O.M.I.T. thread...

[Meehaul]

Imho, BND has produced the best spidey-stories in years. I much prefer the here & now to the pre-BND status quo.

 

[SpideyInATree]

I read # 639 today and, honestly, I kind of enjoyed it. Quesada's artwork was a little better than in the first part. Still putting his own image into Peter but I think that's just gonna be a given, heh. However, Paolo Rivera's artwork dominated the issue and, man oh man, was it absolutely beautiful.

It was good to finally get a final verdict on the whole "Baby May" stuff. All this, is she in or out of continuity, was getting a little old. I'm glad that now we are getting cemented answers.

So, basically, they didn't get married but they stayed together all that time and just weren't married. I was always to the understanding that was the whole plan to begin with. It was nice to see it in print and everything. The flow of it has been well done, but isn't this a little redundant? And isn't it a little late? I mean this is something that maybe should have been done like a few months into Brand New Day as opposed to 2 and a half years later, haha.

There are still two more parts to go in the story arc so I'm sure that we're going to get some more answers. Definitely the unmasking situation is going to get dealt with and I am wondering if the "Eddie" character is going to be making anymore appearances. Also, wondering when the whole "Peter/MJ" breakup comes into it all. We shall see...

 

[mre]

I agree. This storyline is waaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyy too late.

 

[SpideyInATree]

Seriously. Like two years too late. So far it's making sense as to the outcome that was Brand New Day but, man oh man, I'm just getting that "too little too late" feeling from this.

I'm interested in seeing how the unmasking gets put back into the box.

And I've noticed that people are fired up about the Aunt May thing. Mary Jane did make a deal with Mephisto to save her life. If you notice at the end of the book Peter had given up on the chest compressions and then the heart monitor started up again out of nowhere. Sounds like that was some divine intervention.

 

[iloveclones]

Sounds like that was some divine intervention.

Non-divine, actually. Man, the haters are gonna eat you up for that.

 

[SpideyInATree]

Non-divine, actually. Man, the haters are gonna eat you up for that.

Haha, right non-divine intervention. I mean...MJ did make the deal with the devil for a reason. I don't know what people were expecting with this story.

 

[ben_reilly_s_s]

I read # 639 today and, honestly, I kind of enjoyed it. Quesada's artwork was a little better than in the first part. Still putting his own image into Peter but I think that's just gonna be a given, heh. However, Paolo Rivera's artwork dominated the issue and, man oh man, was it absolutely beautiful.

It was good to finally get a final verdict on the whole "Baby May" stuff. All this, is she in or out of continuity, was getting a little old. I'm glad that now we are getting cemented answers.

So, basically, they didn't get married but they stayed together all that time and just weren't married. I was always to the understanding that was the whole plan to begin with. It was nice to see it in print and everything. The flow of it has been well done, but isn't this a little redundant? And isn't it a little late? I mean this is something that maybe should have been done like a few months into Brand New Day as opposed to 2 and a half years later, haha.

There are still two more parts to go in the story arc so I'm sure that we're going to get some more answers. Definitely the unmasking situation is going to get dealt with and I am wondering if the "Eddie" character is going to be making anymore appearances. Also, wondering when the whole "Peter/MJ" breakup comes into it all. We shall see...

They never said anything about Baby May.

 

[SpideyInATree]

They never said anything about Baby May.

It didn't come right out and say, "Baby May is done". She said that she wanted a baby and that came with being married. Well, they didn't get married, right?

 

[stillanerd]

Seriously. Like two years too late. So far it's making sense as to the outcome that was Brand New Day but, man oh man, I'm just getting that "too little too late" feeling from this.

Yeah, I think it would have been much better handled if they not only tackled this earlier, but also treated it as two separate flashback stories that answered "What really happened during Peter and MJ's wedding day" and "Why Peter and MJ are no longer together" respectively.

The first could have easily been a one-shot or better yet an issue of the Amazing Spider-Man Annual--appropriate since the Wedding itself was an Annual--sometime before or during issue #600. However, you have it begin right around the time Peter is thinking about Gwen on the Brooklyn Bridge the night before his wedding and then has to stop a crook (and no not in the exact same way as what happened in part 1 of OMIT) and then rest of the story deals with the aftermath and how Peter and MJ decided to stay together while also choosing not to get married.

The second story could have happened after issue #600 and before the Gauntlet. It would follow the same structure as One Moment in Time in which Peter and MJ have a "heart-to-heart" in his apartment and we flashback to events that took place between the end of One More Day and the beginning of Brand New Day, where we focus on how Aunt May was revived, how Peter restored his secret identity and why, and what caused Peter and MJ to break-up.

They never said anything about Baby May.

It didn't come right out and say, "Baby May is done". She said that she wanted a baby and that came with being married. Well, they didn't get married, right?

Actually, Quesada has addressed the whole "baby May" thing before in an interview he gave to CBR around the time One More Day came out:

Q: Specifically, Joe, you say that almost everything that Peter has been through in the last 20 years still happened with the only difference being that we have to substitute Peter and MJ's relationship as husband and wife for a continuing boyfriend/girlfriend thing. So, I guess what I am asking is: Since the marriage was derailed, but so many stories hinge on these two living together, are you saying that Peter and Mary Jane were co-habitating? And that MJ almost had a baby out of wedlock, but (presumably) lost it? In the end, I still plan on enjoying 'Brand New Day,' but I'm curious as to what kind of history these two share now."

A: The question sort of answers itself when you quoted my saying that "almost" everything happened. The funny thing about the pregnancy issue is that Marvel at the time scrambled to derail the story as quickly as possible. I don't know exactly how that story got as far as it did, but they ultimately realized it was a huge mistake. So, taking that into consideration, I personally feel that that's one that didn't happen, chiefly because Peter and MJ now not having been married, would have taken proper precaution to avoid getting in the family way in the first place.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=12395

So taking this quote and applying it to the story in which MJ tells Peter they can never have kids so long as he's Spider-Man and that they lived together and didn't marry for this reason, it sounds like MJ never got pregnant according to the new continuity. Of course, if this is the case, it winds up making the Clone Saga even more of a convoluted mess than it already was.

 

[Themanofbat]

There are so many unresolved issues with the Clone Saga that will probably never get addressed, such as the famous skeleton found in Sensational #2, that what's yet another thing such as the pregnancy that never happened...

... and that's my two cents...

 

[stillanerd]

Anyway, here's a official teaser for the final part of OMIT with Amazing Spider-Man #641 (which has now been rescheduled for a September 1, 2010 release date):

Spoiler

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=27765

 

[Venom 1988]

Interesting, out of all the issues for OMIT (which so MJ being troubled or torn away from Pete), this is the only one that shows them embracing each other. And since this is part 4(?)...hmmm


EDIT just realised it is not a cover, but rather a page from the issues

 

[stillanerd]

Interesting, out of all the issues for OMIT (which so MJ being troubled or torn away from Pete), this is the only one that shows them embracing each other. And since this is part 4(?)...hmmm


EDIT just realised it is not a cover, but rather a page from the issues

Actually, the Paolo Rivera cover for this issue also shows Spidey and MJ embracing:

 

[Venom 1988]

Oh yes thats right, how can I forget about that awesome Rivera cover

 

[C. Pumpkins]

Anyway, here's a official teaser for the final part of OMIT with Amazing Spider-Man #641 (which has no been rescheduled for a September 1, 2010 release date):

Spoiler

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=27765

Jeez... I'm slightly interested, just want this whole thing to be over with already.

 

[mre]

I think they are getting back together.

 

[ben_reilly_s_s]

There are so many unresolved issues with the Clone Saga that will probably never get addressed, such as the famous skeleton found in Sensational #2, that what's yet another thing such as the pregnancy that never happened...

... and that's my two cents...

Actually, they did answer this.
It was a clone that never lived, Norman bought the building and had it torn down so that the skeleton would be revealed.

 

[ben_reilly_s_s]

Also, What the hell is going on with this story arc?
it's now every other week?
are they changiing the story because of the complaints?
why is it not shipping on time?

 

[Spider-Man '92]

I have to say, part of me likes the idea of merging the original pages of Annual #21 with new pages, feels like a time capsule and being able to see something different, but it does at the same time feel very lazy.

 

[C. Pumpkins]

Also, What the hell is going on with this story arc?
it's now every other week?
are they changiing the story because of the complaints?
why is it not shipping on time?

Part three got pushed back, according to Wacker we should be getting four issues next month though. (I'd provide the link, but it would take a while since what I read was his CBR message board post apologizing about it.)

Just read 639 and loved it. I was totally into MJ telling Peter why the marriage couldn't possibly work if Pete continued being Spidey. As I was reading it I was thinking, "Right on!". Spidey being married doesn't make sense to me. I normally refrain from typing that, but it's how I really feel, I guess. After that scene, I'm totally a supporter of the new direction now. Even though it took three freakin' years to tell this story!

 

[ben_reilly_s_s]

Part 2 was delayed a week.
Part 3 is delayed a week.
Was there any reason given for the delays?

 

[Dew k. Mosi]

let's keep it civil in here

 

[Donald Thomas]

Part three got pushed back, according to Wacker we should be getting four issues next month though. (I'd provide the link, but it would take a while since what I read was his CBR message board post apologizing about it.)

Just read 639 and loved it. I was totally into MJ telling Peter why the marriage couldn't possibly work if Pete continued being Spidey. As I was reading it I was thinking, "Right on!". Spidey being married doesn't make sense to me. I normally refrain from typing that, but it's how I really feel, I guess. After that scene, I'm totally a supporter of the new direction now. Even though it took three freakin' years to tell this story!

Aloha,
People should really go and check out the JoeQ interview, he tells you a lot. He corrects the interviewer regarding the history of the marriage.In the comic books, MJ turned down Peter's proposal because she knew he was Spidey and all that that entailed. Stan Lee married Spidey and MJ in the comic strips and that's what caused Jim Shooter to make the change in the comic books.

Also, there was never going to be the death of MJ nor the death of some type of relationship between Peter and MJ, just not married.
Spidey rules

 

[Miken Ayers]

Aloha,
People should really go and check out the JoeQ interview, he tells you a lot. He corrects the interviewer regarding the history of the marriage.In the comic books, MJ turned down Peter's proposal because she knew he was Spidey and all that that entailed. Stan Lee married Spidey and MJ in the comic strips and that's what caused Jim Shooter to make the change in the comic books.

Also, there was never going to be the death of MJ nor the death of some type of relationship between Peter and MJ, just not married.
Spidey rules

Actually no. Joe Quesada oversimplified what happened with some revisionist history. Here's how it actually played out.

“The wedding was forced on the creators and editors of the comic-books out of the blue when Stan Lee did it in the syndicated strip. Mary Jane had to be brought back suddenly and rushed to the altar without proper motivation.”
Joe Quesada told a version of this myth at Wizard World in Philadelphia last June – the way he told it, Stan Lee browbeat Jim Shooter into forcing the wedding on the ASM team. You’d think Marvel’s editor- in-chief would know what he is talking about, but for starters, it took a good four years from Mary Jane’s return into Peter’s life (ASM #242, cover-dated July 1983) to her accepting his proposal of marriage (ASM #292, September 1987).

Also, artist Ron Frenz revealed in Comics Creators on Spider-Man, he and writer Tom DeFalco were already working towards a wedding ceremony before they heard from Stan, only they planned MJ to stand the groom up: “Anyway, Jim Shooter decided that Pete and Mary Jane would actually get married and Stan Lee agreed because he wanted them to be married in the newspaper strip. […] I guess when you think about it, the whole marriage was kind of our fault.” This is true in more ways than one, for without Frenz’ and DeFalco’s ASM #257 (October 1984), Stan Lee would not have decided to marry MJ and Peter off in the newspaper strip then.

In Marvel Age #54 he said: “One day I found out that in the comic book, Mary Jane knew Spider-Man’s secret identity, which surprised me. I figured it was silly that she didn’t also know it in the strip, so I decided that she’d discover his identity in the strip too. Then I figured that if she knows who he is, he might as well marry her! […] I’d wanted to marry them off So when Mary Jane learned Peter’s secret identity, it was the perfect excuse!”

 

[SpideyInATree]

Part three got pushed back, according to Wacker we should be getting four issues next month though. (I'd provide the link, but it would take a while since what I read was his CBR message board post apologizing about it.)

Just read 639 and loved it. I was totally into MJ telling Peter why the marriage couldn't possibly work if Pete continued being Spidey. As I was reading it I was thinking, "Right on!". Spidey being married doesn't make sense to me. I normally refrain from typing that, but it's how I really feel, I guess. After that scene, I'm totally a supporter of the new direction now. Even though it took three freakin' years to tell this story!

I feel the same way. My biggest complaint is that it took so long to tell this story. If this would have been told six months into Brand New Day it would have really set a different pace.