The Official Pirates of The Caribbean: World's End Thread!

[L0ngsh0t]

Well I thought AWE was better than DMC, so technically my opinions differed from those of the critics.

You mention IMDB but even Curse barely breaks the top 250. DMC or AWE aren't even listed, yet all 3 Rings are in the top 25. So if you think IMDB are giving DMC or AWE what it's worth, then don't you have to agree that LOTR being as high as it is are what they are worth?

But, you ask the question. You say those numbers should be 30 to 40% higher. But who's to say they shouldn't be 10 to 20% lower? It's all a matter of concensus. For so many critics to low ball their review as to fit in, 30 to 40% as you say is a lot. I may have given you 5-10% but it's hard to fathom that many reviewers who edited their reviews because of others.

Like I said, is it so bad to say, DMC & AWE, 2 movies that get lukewarm or slightly disfavorable reviews, exceled despite the critics? I just find that more likely than dozens of critics too scared to print what they really wanted.

Now I am just saying I think what I laid out happens alot in movies especially blockbusters, and I think it happened with these two

now yes, you are correct DMC and AWE are two movies that audiences loved, and critics where whatever to, that is fine with me, I'll take that

LOTR is my personal opinion I realize that they are highley regarded and what not, I think it is a load of crap just cause I review movies on how entertained I am during the movies (and its not all blockbuster action flicks I like, I think Memento is one of the most entertaining movies I have ever seen) and LOTR pretty much put me to sleep except for Two Towers (which is without a doubt the best movie of the three imo).

In saying that I still think without the books they would not be as loved as they are, I think people love the books, and likewise love the fact the movies are a great adaptation of the books, more so than the fact that they simply love the movies.

but in turn, LOTR has died from pop culture since the movies have come out, so like you say talk to me in 10 years, I agree, I think the iconicness and originality of POTC will carry it through to being the more popular

and I am not naive enough to think it would top Harry Potter, or Star Wars ether, I can't wait to see what they do with the next two Harry Potter movies, if they are as good as the last I will probably like them more than Pirates anyways, cause Harry Potter is bad ass, and that will probably end up being the 21st century star wars in terms of post saga sales (i.e. theme park, which is gunna rule)

 

[Darth Elektra]

Will the commentaries be on regular dvd format?

I believe so.

 

[Erzengel]

Now I am just saying I think what I laid out happens alot in movies especially blockbusters, and I think it happened with these two

And I personally don't that THAT many critics would be lemmings and just follow the crowd.

LOTR is my personal opinion I realize that they are highley regarded and what not, I think it is a load of crap just cause I review movies on how entertained I am during the movies (and its not all blockbuster action flicks I like, I think Memento is one of the most entertaining movies I have ever seen) and LOTR pretty much put me to sleep except for Two Towers (which is without a doubt the best movie of the three imo).

In saying that I still think without the books they would not be as loved as they are, I think people love the books, and likewise love the fact the movies are a great adaptation of the books, more so than the fact that they simply love the movies.

but in turn, LOTR has died from pop culture since the movies have come out, so like you say talk to me in 10 years, I agree, I think the iconicness and originality of POTC will carry it through to being the more popular

Just as people are clamoring for Pirates 4, there are people who are clamoring for the Hobbit. But as much as you are on me for being out of touch with Pirates, you seem to be just as out of touch with Rings. Oscars, AFI, WW highest trilogy gross. I mean there may not be a Hobbit for a long time. Think about it, so many people wanted the Hobbit and it's already been 4 years. The same thing could happen with Pirates 4. It may never be made and Pirates could fade.

 

[L0ngsh0t]

And I personally don't that THAT many critics would be lemmings and just follow the crowd.


Just as people are clamoring for Pirates 4, there are people who are clamoring for the Hobbit. But as much as you are on me for being out of touch with Pirates, you seem to be just as out of touch with Rings. Oscars, AFI, WW highest trilogy gross. I mean there may not be a Hobbit for a long time. Think about it, so many people wanted the Hobbit and it's already been 4 years. The same thing could happen with Pirates 4. It may never be made and Pirates could fade.

I say you are out of touch with general movies goers, who are the ones who make trends "in touch", you say I am out of touch with old people who are the ones who make things "out of touch"....it's all a matter of perspective, I will gladly side with the movie goers though

 

[Mr. Socko]

Pirates could definitely die out. LOTR certainly did, yes, after all of those awards and best picture lists, where else do you see LOTR these days? Star Wars has been out for 30 years, and you still see it all in the media, everyone wants to spoof it, Star Wars celebrations, Star Wars exhibits, etc. Pirates nor LOTR are nor ever will be as famous.

Go to a LOTR forum and they're likely to be dead as hell, head over to theforce.net forums and you will find legions of very active posters. Pirates and LOTR(films) are trends. Star Wars is a part of history.

 

[Erzengel]

I say you are out of touch with general movies goers, who are the ones who make trends "in touch", you say I am out of touch with old people who are the ones who make things "out of touch"....it's all a matter of perspective, I will gladly side with the movie goers though

Heh. Liking LOTR makes me in touch with old people or the fact my opinions reflect those of the critics?

By gross and by ticket sales, more people have went to see Lord of the Rings. Those people ARE the regular movie goers.

 

[Lady Stormcrow]

Pirates could definitely die out. LOTR certainly did, yes, after all of those awards and best picture lists, where else do you see LOTR these days? Star Wars has been out for 30 years, and you still see it all in the media, everyone wants to spoof it, Star Wars celebrations, Star Wars exhibits, etc. Pirates nor LOTR are nor ever will be as famous.

Go to a LOTR forum and they're likely to be dead as hell, head over to theforce.net forums and you will find legions of very active posters. Pirates and LOTR(films) are trends. Star Wars is a part of history.

Hmm, I can see what you're saying, because Star Wars has a fan base of the like that is overshadowed by none other. Though,when you consider that LOTR is also a book, and has been around for far longer than SW, the concept of 'popularity' becomes far more blurry. I'd say that SW are some of the most popular and well loved films ever, but LOTR has a mythology that is ingrained into culture. True, LOTR has far far less 'die hard' fans than SW, but thats because most fans of LOTR are interested in the literary lagacy of Tolkien, and enjoy the films as a bonus on top of these.

As for Pirates, which is more relatable to SW than LOTR is, I think only time will tell with this one. The biggest fans of SW grew up with it, because most were mere younglings when the first one came out, so will modern culture have a different effect on how the child fans of Pirates attach to those films? Probably. I think, despite their quality, the Pirates films may be quickly forgotten by children, who live in a world where every day brings a new fad.

So, to bring an end to this lengthy post, I think that it is impossible to compare SW and pirates's endurance through the ages, because you're talking about two very different films, from two very different eras.

 

[Reek]

Star Wars came out in a time where no one had seen anything like it...it was 100% fresh. Switch Pirates/LOTR whatever with the late seventies star wars, and Pirates/LOTR would be exactly how SW is. and SW would be fading out now. its all about the time period it came out...not to mention the late seventies all the hippies wanted to get high and see the cool "green sword fights" lol

 

[Mr. Socko]

Star Wars came out in a time where no one had seen anything like it...it was 100% fresh. Switch Pirates/LOTR whatever with the late seventies star wars, and Pirates/LOTR would be exactly how SW is. and SW would be fading out now. its all about the time period it came out...not to mention the late seventies all the hippies wanted to get high and see the cool "green sword fights" lol

Lol. Very good point. Star Wars changed the entire industry, just about every big budget 'epic' blockbuster follows in it's footsteps in the way it's done. These days, LOTR and Pirate movies are cool and look good, but it's nothing brand new and nothing we haven't seen before(like SW was).

I'm still waiting on that next big piece that blows us away and shows us something we've never seen before(as impossible as that may seem). I'm waiting on the next Star Wars to come. I'm sorry but The Black Pearl swirling in a whirl pool and a CG Legolas jumping on a giant elephant just don't cut it(even though I like these films)

Oh and well put Mrs. Richards.

 

[Darth Elektra]

Star Wars came out in a time where no one had seen anything like it...it was 100% fresh. Switch Pirates/LOTR whatever with the late seventies star wars, and Pirates/LOTR would be exactly how SW is. and SW would be fading out now. its all about the time period it came out...not to mention the late seventies all the hippies wanted to get high and see the cool "green sword fights" lol

Good point.

 

[Mr. Socko]

So basically, back in the 70s, a big budget epic was just yearning to be made. George Lucas just got to it first(he could have adapted LOTR or create POTC and it'd still have the same popularity)

 

[PowersOfMind]

Star Wars came out in a time where no one had seen anything like it...it was 100% fresh. Switch Pirates/LOTR whatever with the late seventies star wars, and Pirates/LOTR would be exactly how SW is. and SW would be fading out now. its all about the time period it came out...not to mention the late seventies all the hippies wanted to get high and see the cool "green sword fights" lol

That is a really good point.

 

[Erzengel]

Star Wars came out in a time where no one had seen anything like it...it was 100% fresh. Switch Pirates/LOTR whatever with the late seventies star wars, and Pirates/LOTR would be exactly how SW is. and SW would be fading out now. its all about the time period it came out...not to mention the late seventies all the hippies wanted to get high and see the cool "green sword fights" lol

I'm big on the "right movie, right time" theory. I think Star Wars and Titanic are prime examples of right movie, right time. I think it's plausable that LOTR or Pirates could of had the same "impact" but there's no way to actually know for sure. Either LOTR or Pirates could just have easily bombed if they were released in 77.

 

[Reek]

Mr. Socko you just hit the nail on the head.

I'm big on the "right movie, right time" theory. I think Star Wars and Titanic are prime examples of right movie, right time. I think it's plausable that LOTR or Pirates could of had the same "impact" but there's no way to actually know for sure. Either LOTR or Pirates could just have easily bombed if they were released in 77.

Couldn't agree more. im just saying pirates could just as easily been the "Star Wars" had it come out in 77. think about it...say the first 3 star wars(New Hope, ESB, Return) never came out at all...and Lucas started fresh with episodes 1,2,3, then onto 4,5,6. Would it be as big as it is now? Absolutely Not.

Just like you said... Right Movie, Right Time.

 

[PhoenixSparrow]

Is there any news on a DVD cover yet?

 

[Bastila]

Is there any news on a DVD cover yet?

Don't think so the only thing we got is that cover DE posted pages back.

 

[The Chris]

http://www.accesshollywood.com/news/ah6221.shtml

I don't know what to think. I never liked this as the main poster because it only had Jack on it, and it looked different than Curse of the Black Pearl and Dead Man's Chest's posters/dvd covers. But then, I loved the fog and color.

 

[Reek]

yea i dont know why its just him on the cover and as the main poster...he wasnt in DMC or AWE nearly as much as he was in CotBP

 

[Bastila]

Please don't say thats the final cover it SUCKS its boring and well boring nothing exciting about it, make a new one Disney!!!

 

[Erzengel]

Mr. Socko you just hit the nail on the head.



Couldn't agree more. im just saying pirates could just as easily been the "Star Wars" had it come out in 77. think about it...say the first 3 star wars(New Hope, ESB, Return) never came out at all...and Lucas started fresh with episodes 1,2,3, then onto 4,5,6. Would it be as big as it is now? Absolutely Not.

Just like you said... Right Movie, Right Time.

See I don't equate Star Wars, LOTR or Pirates as "interchangeable". Saying one would succeed in the other's stead is essentially saying they are pretty much the same movie.

 

[PhoenixSparrow]

http://www.accesshollywood.com/news/ah6221.shtml

I don't know what to think. I never liked this as the main poster because it only had Jack on it, and it looked different than Curse of the Black Pearl and Dead Man's Chest's posters/dvd covers. But then, I loved the fog and color.

Ohhh! Please don't say that's the cover! Pleeeeassseee change it Disney! It can't be just that! What about the other characters?!

 

[PirateLord89]

Actually...this is the cover!!!


SOURCE:http://ultimatedisney.com/coverart.html#dec

 

[BloodyWolverine]

I'm big on the "right movie, right time" theory. I think Star Wars and Titanic are prime examples of right movie, right time. I think it's plausable that LOTR or Pirates could of had the same "impact" but there's no way to actually know for sure. Either LOTR or Pirates could just have easily bombed if they were released in 77.

I see everyon comparing Rings and Pirates to Star Wars but no one is comparing Harry Potter which i think is this era franchise and Pirates is like our versions Indiana Jones movies.

Harry Potter is not done and when it is it will be the second longest franchise next to 007.

To be fare Lord Of The Rings and Tolkien likely inspired Lucas for come on the fire planet looks like Mordor.
To say people have forgotten the Rings movies is unlikely. LOTR will be a part of film history as will Harry Potter , Spiderman and Pirates. As a continence of Lucas success for sure.
But i find it unlikely Rings, Pirates or Harry Potter will be forgtotten.

 

[BloodyWolverine]

Actually...this is the cover!!!


SOURCE:http://ultimatedisney.com/coverart.html#dec

Could the smokey cover be the single dvd release cover for there is the once disc release and then the 2 disc set. And ofcourse i am sure the Blue ray cover could be differant too.

 

[The Chris]

Actually...this is the cover!!!


SOURCE:http://ultimatedisney.com/coverart.html#dec

I'd rather have that. Goes better with the first two's dvd covers, even though the top could look better, unless it's just the picture making it look like that.