The Official Pirates of The Caribbean: World's End Thread!

[L0ngsh0t]

So enlighten me, what wasn´t I paying attention to? What´s the grand plan I´m missing, other than yet another cursed pirates tale pretty similar to the first movie, and the same basic conflict from the first movie about whether Sparrow is a crook with a good heart or just a crook? I´m not saying nothing happened, but little happened in the middle of a lot of goofy action, slapstick and one-liners.

Well, the people who say the plot is incomplete and the characters do nothing etc. normal beef with the movie, etc. The movie is about Jack Sparrow turning from a cowardice pirate, into a noble hero, and Elizabeth and her infactuation with Sparrow versus her love for will. Both of those characters go through a complete arc ending with Sparrow saving the day, and Elizabeth sending her lust to its doom by tieing Sparrow up. There are arcs left unfinished, true but the issues with will and his father are no different then those left between Luke and Vadar at the end of Empire.

 

[Maximus One]

Well, the people who say the plot is incomplete and the characters do nothing etc. normal beef with the movie, etc. The movie is about Jack Sparrow turning from a cowardice pirate, into a noble hero, and Elizabeth and her infactuation with Sparrow versus her love for will. Both of those characters go through a complete arc ending with Sparrow saving the day, and Elizabeth sending her lust to its doom by tieing Sparrow up. There are arcs left unfinished, true but the issues with will and his father are no different then those left between Luke and Vadar at the end of Empire.

i agree with all of this but after watching this movie for like the 15th time im left just saying WTF seriously i love this movie but it is literally all over the place the story is exactly like the first and well **** i honestly dont know im drunk but this movie just literally jumps all over the freaking place for 2 1/2 hours that said i love this movie i really do but looking at this movie with an honest non-biased opinion i have to say its just all over the place and **** i dunno like i said im drunk **** it goodnight

 

[ultimatefan]

Well, the people who say the plot is incomplete and the characters do nothing etc. normal beef with the movie, etc. The movie is about Jack Sparrow turning from a cowardice pirate, into a noble hero, and Elizabeth and her infactuation with Sparrow versus her love for will. Both of those characters go through a complete arc ending with Sparrow saving the day, and Elizabeth sending her lust to its doom by tieing Sparrow up. There are arcs left unfinished, true but the issues with will and his father are no different then those left between Luke and Vadar at the end of Empire.

Ya see, the problem with me is not that the plot is incomplete, but that I don´t feel the plot needs something like five hours of movie to be told. Look at the story, okay: Jack made a deal with Davy Jones to be captain, now Davy is collecting the debt and Jack needs a way out of the hook, which apparently is taking the heart of Davy Jones. Will and Elizabeth are being hunted for helping Jack, so they need to get a way to get off the hook too, which apparently is Jack´s compass (not sure the spell is right). It´s actually a plot that any decent writer can develop in a single movie, that´s why people feel that the movie feels all over the place and incomplete, cuz they keep throwing stuff that actually is non-sequitor and just stalls it and makes it unnecessarily confusing, you can cut that movie in half and still make sense of it.

 

[DACrowe]

The problem with POTC2 is, while it may be very entertaining, is nothing but filler. It is just a set-up so there can be a third one so it can be called a "trilogy" and line Disney's pockets that much more. The first 90 minutes outside of the opening scenes (Bootstrap visiting Jack and will and Elizabeth being arrested and making their deals), NOTHING happens.

I mean sure they are cannibal island and run away, but it is all pointless. It does not serve the story at all. It is only kind of funny and visually it is eye-candy but outside of the first frew jokes by Depp it is just literally 30 minutes of filler. Then Will gets captured and Elizabeth joins Jack. Then for another half hour or more little happens. Will has some development with his father but let's face it, without Jack and Elizabeth (the far two more interesting characteres of the trio, Jack obviously moreso) Will is a boring character blandly performed by Bloom. So no one cares.

Meanwhile Jack and Elizabeth aren't really developing, just going through the same motions we saw before on the island in the first movie. Then finally as we reach the climax the movie picks up steam. The characters are reunited and the action sequences are fun like the first movie nad actually propell the story so they don't feel like a waste of time.

Albeit, it is a climax so then it ends, and on a very good, but unfullfilling note.

So in the end the second movie is 2 hours of nothing happening and half an hour of set-up for the third. That is why it was disappointing because the first never had a dull moment and while ridiculous and mindless popcorn fare, it did it with such style that it all seemed important and so engaging. The second didn't bother and just coasted on Johnny Depp's performance.

I have higher hopes for the third, however I've read the first half of the screenplay and it seems to share the randomness of the second too much, at least early on with stupid wrapping up of plot threads without explanations. And I have a feeling when the third movie ends, we'll be back right where the first movie ends except

Spoiler

with Elizabeth's father poorly removed, she can guilt-free join the seas as a full-fledged pirate with her hubby, Will[//spoiler] Which to me makes the sequel seem kind of....pointless.

 

[L0ngsh0t]

Ya see, the problem with me is not that the plot is incomplete, but that I don´t feel the plot needs something like five hours of movie to be told. Look at the story, okay: Jack made a deal with Davy Jones to be captain, now Davy is collecting the debt and Jack needs a way out of the hook, which apparently is taking the heart of Davy Jones. Will and Elizabeth are being hunted for helping Jack, so they need to get a way to get off the hook too, which apparently is Jack´s compass (not sure the spell is right). It´s actually a plot that any decent writer can develop in a single movie, that´s why people feel that the movie feels all over the place and incomplete, cuz they keep throwing stuff that actually is non-sequitor and just stalls it and makes it unnecessarily confusing, you can cut that movie in half and still make sense of it.

They did develop it into a single movie, its called Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest

This is what you aren't getting, the compass is needed to find the heart, the heart of Davy Jones controlls the ocean Cutler Beckett wants the heart so he can controll the ocean, Jack Sparrow wants the heart to make Davy Jones call off the Kraken and to settle his debt. Cutler Beckett inslists will to find the compass for him, and he will grant will freedom, Elizebeth is not looking for the compass, she is looking for Will. The cannibal island scene, despite how unessicarly long it is, serves the purpose of the meeting point between Will, and Jack, Jack can't be at sea, so that was the best way to make them meet. Everything has a purpose you just aren't pay close enough attention, yes true there are something left unsaid, but that is the whole point of carry over movies, How will Norrington play into all this? What really happened to Jack? Why is Barbosa back? What does William think about the kiss? unanswered questions true, but they will get covered in AWE. Everything in DMC is connected, everything serves a purpose you just have to pay close attention to it. It is actually excellent writting, by excellent writers, sans the rehased jokes, which are angled to keep it kid friendly anyways, no different than the Ewoks

 

[terry78]

The movie itself pokes fun at how convoluted it is, when Ragetti explains to Pintel why the three are fighting on the beach.

 

[CAH]

The movie itself pokes fun at how convoluted it is, when Ragetti explains to Pintel why the three are fighting on the beach.

GREAT sequence!


CAH

 

[PowersOfMind]

The movie itself pokes fun at how convoluted it is, when Ragetti explains to Pintel why the three are fighting on the beach.

It really does poke fun at itself.

 

[BloodyWolverine]

Its quite clear to me Elizabeth will be the near ruin of Jack and Wills friendship in my opinion. I hated Elizabeths character from day one. For when Jack saved her then a few moments after she was repulsed he saved because he was a pirate. But in secret she lusts for a real Pirate. Which i think Jack at first was like Will not a pure blooded pirate.

Sure Jack kinda threatened Elzabeth to get away in the first movie but i just have not liked Elizabeth since that scene. Annamaria now she was a better women pirate.

 

[ultimatefan]

They did develop it into a single movie, its called Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest

This is what you aren't getting, the compass is needed to find the heart, the heart of Davy Jones controlls the ocean Cutler Beckett wants the heart so he can controll the ocean, Jack Sparrow wants the heart to make Davy Jones call off the Kraken and to settle his debt. Cutler Beckett inslists will to find the compass for him, and he will grant will freedom, Elizebeth is not looking for the compass, she is looking for Will. The cannibal island scene, despite how unessicarly long it is, serves the purpose of the meeting point between Will, and Jack, Jack can't be at sea, so that was the best way to make them meet. Everything has a purpose you just aren't pay close enough attention, yes true there are something left unsaid, but that is the whole point of carry over movies, How will Norrington play into all this? What really happened to Jack? Why is Barbosa back? What does William think about the kiss? unanswered questions true, but they will get covered in AWE. Everything in DMC is connected, everything serves a purpose you just have to pay close attention to it. It is actually excellent writting, by excellent writers, sans the rehased jokes, which are angled to keep it kid friendly anyways, no different than the Ewoks

I see everything you´re saying, and again, all stuff that could be developed in a single movie, maybe a long one, but nothing that justified the breaking in two. There are several moments that feel elongated, like they´re stretching the movie for lack of more story to tell: the canibal island, the kraken attacks, the wheel scene, etc. All the questions could have been answered in DMC if it was a tighter and more concise movie.

 

[Hunter Rider]

I think this is a new pic but i don't follow this thread that closely and i didn't check back anyway it's a cool pic at leastt:

 

[Speedball]

dang it hunter!!!
You beat me to it!

 

[Hunter Rider]

dang it hunter!!!
You beat me to it!

Heh

Well we finally get to see Chowup:

 

[Speedball]

Those Chinese pirates look vicious.

 

[DACrowe]

Yeah....

 

[L0ngsh0t]

I see everything you´re saying, and again, all stuff that could be developed in a single movie, maybe a long one, but nothing that justified the breaking in two. There are several moments that feel elongated, like they´re stretching the movie for lack of more story to tell: the canibal island, the kraken attacks, the wheel scene, etc. All the questions could have been answered in DMC if it was a tighter and more concise movie.

Well see here is the thing, the third movie is going to be a different plot, but it has a carry over story line, that is why they made it the way they did. I can understand how you may not like it that way, but DMC is a complete movie, with little stuff that will more than likely smoothly crossover with AWE. AWE obviously will not have the same storyline, or even main villain (Feng) it is going to be a storyline that while it has a lot to do with the first two, will still be it's own entity. So we have three sepearte movies, each with their own storyline, but there will be a common link that all three will share (The compass crossing over both movies for example, or Davy Jones heart)

 

[TheComicbookKid]

My problem with DMC was that it brought back storylines from the first that didn't need revisting.

Will and Elizabeth(Knightley is hot!) were done. They added Will's father into Davey Jones' crew.

The two pirates from Barbarossa crew. WTF!

Barbarossa, I'm use to main villains coming back so that was less annoying.

Norrington, even though it wasn't set up in the first, it made sense. He could have been the villain of the second movie with Davy Jones.

On top of that, Davy Jones didn't actually do anything besides look cool.
The rehashed jokes. How the hell did Norrington know about the heart in the jar. Overly long fights(wheel and savages). It added up to a less enjoyable experience. Jack wasn't as smart as he appeared in the first movie.

I'm not sure I'll fight the crowds to see AWE.

 

[Darth Elektra]

Chow is going to kick ass in the movie!

 

[L0ngsh0t]

Chow is going to kick ass in the movie!

You know he is gunna do something sweet

Barbosa was a skeleton
Jones was a squid type thing

what do you think Feng will be?

my bet is it has something to do with fire, cause they are supposed to be demons or somethign

 

[Maximus One]

are they supposed to be demons? i thought they were just chinese will be kinda kool if they are some what demonic though

 

[LostSon88]

Sure Jack kinda threatened Elzabeth to get away in the first movie but i just have not liked Elizabeth since that scene. Annamaria now she was a better women pirate.

You've gotta be joking?! Anamaria was one of the most pathetic pirates throughout the movies. Do you even remember the first POTC? All she wanted to do was run away and/or bargain her way out of trouble! Plus she had her boat stolen from Jack! I akin her to the Captain Panaka of the POTC movies...always negative and never willing to fight.

"Your daft lady, you BOTH are!"
"It was a good plan...until now."
"You STOLE my boat!"
"We'll give them her!"

 

[Ultimate Movie-Man]

My problem with DMC was that it brought back storylines from the first that didn't need revisting.

Will and Elizabeth(Knightley is hot!) were done. They added Will's father into Davey Jones' crew.

The two pirates from Barbarossa crew. WTF!

Barbarossa, I'm use to main villains coming back so that was less annoying.

Norrington, even though it wasn't set up in the first, it made sense. He could have been the villain of the second movie with Davy Jones.

On top of that, Davy Jones didn't actually do anything besides look cool.
The rehashed jokes. How the hell did Norrington know about the heart in the jar. Overly long fights(wheel and savages). It added up to a less enjoyable experience. Jack wasn't as smart as he appeared in the first movie.

I'm not sure I'll fight the crowds to see AWE.

He was already a member of Davy Jones' crew, as was Jack Sparrow, well, he wasn't a member, but intimate with Jones...which is how he knew Bootstrap Bill.

I must admit, I didn't get why they were there, but enjoyed having them.

Well, you can't have Davy Jones' heart (the setup for third movie), or the Kraken, without Davy Jones...so the movie is kinda shoddy without him, hence why he was in it...der.

Nothing to say but they do that for the true fans.

 

[Ultimate Movie-Man]

are they supposed to be demons? i thought they were just chinese will be kinda kool if they are some what demonic though

You mean like the cursed pirates in the first movie? I hope there's something paranormal about them too...at current time, it doesn't appear they do.

 

[terry78]

Maybe they turn into terracota statues.

 

[L0ngsh0t]

are they supposed to be demons? i thought they were just chinese will be kinda kool if they are some what demonic though

It isn't like I exactly have insider information here, so I could definatley be wrong, there are just off hand remarks in certian plot synopsis that adress Sao Feng as "demonic pirates led by the evil sao feng" just little stuff like that is where I picked it up