The Official Pirates of The Caribbean: World's End Thread!

[The Dark Defender]

well if people hate DMC like you suggest than how come people came out in waves to see AWE?

it's the same thing people where less than satisfyed with BnR and they didn't come out right away to see BB

weather the franchise is dead or fresh off a movie, if people don't like the movie they won't go to its sequel

People go to see films they don't expect to like all the time. I thought Transformers was going to be terrible, and I was right; but I still saw it.

I thought Spider Man was terrible but still saw Spider Man 2.

Much smaller films, but in the case of Jeepers Creepers a ton of people hated the first one, but the second one still opened bigger and worldwide made more money, plus grossed more on video and dvd.
Box office is a good indicator of how many people seen a film, not necessarily as good as indicating how many actually liked it.

BB wasn't looked at as a follow up to Batman and Robin, atleast not directly; AWE was obviously viewed as a direct follow up to DMC, it's not the same comparison (and again I'm not saying that there aren't plenty of people that liked the Pirates sequels, but there are also quite a few that seen them, and bashed into oblivion, far more than did so with LOTR. On a broad scale, Pirates isn't considered to be anywhere near the calibur of LOTR).

 

[L0ngsh0t]

People go to see films they don't expect to like all the time. I thought Transformers was going to be terrible, and I was right; but I still saw it.

I thought Spider Man was terrible but still saw Spider Man 2.

Much smaller films, but in the case of Jeepers Creepers a ton of people hated the first one, but the second one still opened bigger and worldwide made more money, plus grossed more on video and dvd.
Box office is a good indicator of how many people seen a film, not necessarily as good as indicating how many actually liked it.

BB wasn't looked at as a follow up to Batman and Robin, atleast not directly; AWE was obviously viewed as a direct follow up to DMC, it's not the same comparison (and again I'm not saying that there aren't plenty of people that liked the Pirates sequels, but there are also quite a few that seen them, and bashed into oblivion, far more than did so with LOTR. On a broad scale, Pirates isn't considered to be anywhere near the calibur of LOTR).

I guess I have a little higher standerd in what I see, for instance unless Ghost Rider 2 gets rave reviews from people whos opinions in movies I like I will not see it unless it is for free cause I thought the first was so unbelievabley bad.

Movies that people don't lgenerally make money, and if they do they don't make 300 million dollars...look at all the movies that made 300 million or more and your gunna sit here and tell me Pirates movies fluked twice?

I am looking at the top 50 highest grossing films ever...pirates has two movies in the top 5...and really outside of Sherk 2, ROTK and DVC there isn't a movie I don't like, and most people tend to like those

you used the Mummy for an example, the Mummy 1 isn't that bad its solid entertainment certianly not on the level of Pirates, but it is a fun quick movie worthey of eight dollars, the Mummy Returns is not, but people liked the first one enough to give MR a excellent opening weekend in which it was able to make like 65 percent of its total gross

I don't really take critical review, and AMC into account cause both are bs, I like hearing what critics have to say but I trust people I have a common intrest in movies with review over what some guy thinks, who thinks Citizen Kane is the best movie ever (there is a huge line between most influential and best movie ever)

And com'on both Transformers and Spider-man are terrible?

 

[The Dark Defender]

I don't think they fluked, alot of people like, alot of people hate them.

I think I'd probably put Mummy 2 ahead of one (I agree neither is at the level of Pirates), and to call Transformers and Spider Man terrible is generous.

Transformers is overflowing with lame comedy bits, Shia LeBeaof playing himself again with the same regurgitated puppy love story crap I already saw a few months ago in Disturbia, the fights are unimaginitive, the Transformers themselves almost feel like a subplot...I've loved them since childhood and that film raped everything that made them great.

Spider Man has some of the worst CGI I've ever seen in a film that cost more than $100, awful score, action is mediocre at best, pointless puppy love story that isn't worth investing an ounce of interest in (it has that in common with Transformers, although atleast in SM it fit better) a Power Ranger baddie as a villain, some of the worst dialogue ever written for the screen (just thinking about "You're the one who's out Gobby! Out of your mind!" is enough to give me a splitting headache)...
Spider Man almost works as one of those so horrible that it's a great unintentional comedy movies, but just as a film, it's beyond terrible.

Oh, and I agree that more influential hardly means better, and they're often confused for being the same.

 

[Erzengel]

I am looking at the top 50 highest grossing films ever...pirates has two movies in the top 5...and really outside of Sherk 2, ROTK and DVC there isn't a movie I don't like, and most people tend to like those

You are putting so much emphasis on "gross". Take a step back and look at tickets sold.

Eventually, there's going to be a movie that's going to surpass Titanic, even if less people see that movie because movie tickets would be $20.00 each.

 

[The Dark Defender]

And taking into account tickets sold, Titanic isn't even #1 right now.

 

[Erzengel]

It isn't. Gone With The Wind is. A movie from 1939.

 

[L0ngsh0t]

I don't think they fluked, alot of people like, alot of people hate them.

I think I'd probably put Mummy 2 ahead of one (I agree neither is at the level of Pirates), and to call Transformers and Spider Man terrible is generous.

Transformers is overflowing with lame comedy bits, Shia LeBeaof playing himself again with the same regurgitated puppy love story crap I already saw a few months ago in Disturbia, the fights are unimaginitive, the Transformers themselves almost feel like a subplot...I've loved them since childhood and that film raped everything that made them great.

Spider Man has some of the worst CGI I've ever seen in a film that cost more than $100, awful score, action is mediocre at best, pointless puppy love story that isn't worth investing an ounce of interest in (it has that in common with Transformers, although atleast in SM it fit better) a Power Ranger baddie as a villain, some of the worst dialogue ever written for the screen (just thinking about "You're the one who's out Gobby! Out of your mind!" is enough to give me a splitting headache)...
Spider Man almost works as one of those so horrible that it's a great unintentional comedy movies, but just as a film, it's beyond terrible.

Oh, and I agree that more influential hardly means better, and they're often confused for being the same.

we agree and disagree on many things

While I completely disagree with your SM, and TF opinion for some reason putting Mummy 2 ahead of Mummy 1 is what sticks out the most for me lol

 

[The Dark Defender]

Well I think they're pretty close, I wouldn't put either ahead by very much.

 

[L0ngsh0t]

Well I think they're pretty close, I wouldn't put either ahead by very much.

when's the last time you have seen ether?

I consider Mummy solid albeit mindless entertainment, perfect for what it wishes to do, Mummy Returns is kind of a fuddled mess especially in the beginning once the plot starts rolling and the action enters it doesn't become that bad

 

[DieSmiling]

The Lord of the Rings movies are definitley more universally well liked and respected than the Pirates movies, that's for sure.

I think the Pirates movies are kind of "love it or hate it."

I loved the first movie but feel they got progressively worse -- I enjoyed Dead Man's Chest a lot, and was anticipating AWE, but thought it was over convoluted and unimpressive. And the ending completely sucked. There's nothing wrong with a cliched ending as long as it's a good ending...

 

[Darth Elektra]

144 days till AWE is released on dvd.

 

[Darth Elektra]

Cover-art of the dvd could look something like this:

 

[Darth Elektra]

Thursday:

$234,829

 

[L0ngsh0t]

The Lord of the Rings movies are definitley more universally well liked and respected than the Pirates movies, that's for sure.

I think the Pirates movies are kind of "love it or hate it."

I loved the first movie but feel they got progressively worse -- I enjoyed Dead Man's Chest a lot, and was anticipating AWE, but thought it was over convoluted and unimpressive. And the ending completely sucked. There's nothing wrong with a cliched ending as long as it's a good ending...

The general opinion I have gathered from people, I know it isn't everyone but it isn't like I just talk to my firends about movies, I'll talk to anyone, action buff, comedy guy, horror nut, art house fan, has told me that LOTR is viewed as long and boring, where Pirates is fresh albeit silly and much lighter

granted it is such a small number of people, and is not to be taken as direct fact, but I rarely run into someone who would rather watch LOTR than Pirates, they may respect LOTR more, but what the individual would rather watch is hardly ever LOTR


and you wanna talk ending?

how about a story that for all three books foreshadows its main characters death, and at the last minute goes bull balls on us, and *****es out to give us the happy ending

I love the balls Pirates had by not giving us the completely satisfactory ending we where all thinking, its happy but its scewed happiness

its the difference between writers with no balls, and writers with the biggest pair in blockbuster movies

 

[The Dark Defender]

when's the last time you have seen ether?

I consider Mummy solid albeit mindless entertainment, perfect for what it wishes to do, Mummy Returns is kind of a fuddled mess especially in the beginning once the plot starts rolling and the action enters it doesn't become that bad

It's been years since I've seen either. I think Sommers makes pretty looking, mindless action romps with great scores that are worth seeing if nothing else.
I prefer Van helsing to either Mummy film.

 

[The Dark Defender]

The general opinion I have gathered from people, I know it isn't everyone but it isn't like I just talk to my firends about movies, I'll talk to anyone, action buff, comedy guy, horror nut, art house fan, has told me that LOTR is viewed as long and boring, where Pirates is fresh albeit silly and much lighter

granted it is such a small number of people, and is not to be taken as direct fact, but I rarely run into someone who would rather watch LOTR than Pirates, they may respect LOTR more, but what the individual would rather watch is hardly ever LOTR


and you wanna talk ending?

how about a story that for all three books foreshadows its main characters death, and at the last minute goes bull balls on us, and *****es out to give us the happy ending

I love the balls Pirates had by not giving us the completely satisfactory ending we where all thinking, its happy but its scewed happiness

its the difference between writers with no balls, and writers with the biggest pair in blockbuster movies

The Lord of the Rings ending wasn't completely happy either, Frodo essentially dies, leaving his friends behind to live on the rest of their lives without him. I think LOTR showed more balls than Pirates did, since characters that I loved like Boromir and Theodeon are necessary sacrifices for the greater good, where as Jack and Barbossa just come right back on technicalities.

The LOTR shows that the torch must be passed, sacrifices have to be made, when someone dies you can't just go bring them back; you can keep them alive in spirit until you see them again, but mortality is mortality; not the case in Pirates.

 

[The Dark Defender]

Cover-art of the dvd could look something like this:

Keira is so beautiful it took me a while to notice anybody else was on there.

 

[Erzengel]

The general opinion I have gathered from people, I know it isn't everyone but it isn't like I just talk to my firends about movies, I'll talk to anyone, action buff, comedy guy, horror nut, art house fan, has told me that LOTR is viewed as long and boring, where Pirates is fresh albeit silly and much lighter

granted it is such a small number of people, and is not to be taken as direct fact, but I rarely run into someone who would rather watch LOTR than Pirates, they may respect LOTR more, but what the individual would rather watch is hardly ever LOTR


and you wanna talk ending?

how about a story that for all three books foreshadows its main characters death, and at the last minute goes bull balls on us, and *****es out to give us the happy ending

I love the balls Pirates had by not giving us the completely satisfactory ending we where all thinking, its happy but its scewed happiness

its the difference between writers with no balls, and writers with the biggest pair in blockbuster movies

Wow you don't like anything about LOTR. LOL

 

[Erzengel]

And in the ROTK book Aragorn survives. I don't understand how it's "pussying out".

 

[PowersOfMind]

how about a story that for all three books foreshadows its main characters death, and at the last minute goes bull balls on us, and *****es out to give us the happy ending

Aragorn was fated to die eventually because he was a man, and he survived in the book so how is that pussying out?

 

[The Dark Defender]

I'm not sure if he meant Aragorn or Frodo, if he meant Frodo, Frodo DID die; if he meant Aragorn, his death was filmed as part of the epilogue which will be on a dvd to be released later on with all of the footage shot for all three films that didn't make it into either version (we did see a glimpse of how he would eventually die in TTT).

 

[L0ngsh0t]

I'm not sure if he meant Aragorn or Frodo, if he meant Frodo, Frodo DID die; if he meant Aragorn, his death was filmed as part of the epilogue which will be on a dvd to be released later on with all of the footage shot for all three films that didn't make it into either version (we did see a glimpse of how he would eventually die in TTT).

Where did frodo die?

Last I checked he was floating off into wherever

the proper death should have been he couldn't put the ring in the fire himself so he went in with the ring, self sacrifice

 

[The Dark Defender]

Yes, that's death. The Grey Heavens is leaving this world and passing onto the next; and what you're talking about never happened in the books either, it was hardly pussying out.
It was always Gollum that died with the ring.

Notice Frodo telling Sam that he must not always be broken in two and that his story would go on but Frodo's wouldn't.
Sam was living on while Frodo's story, and his life were over. It was a passing the torch ending.

What was forshadowed IS what happened, and his friends were heartbroken about it and didn't want to accept it, it hardly a 100% happy ending.
Gollum's obsession drove him to his end, which was one of the many messages of the story.

 

[Erzengel]

Where did frodo die?

Last I checked he was floating off into wherever

the proper death should have been he couldn't put the ring in the fire himself so he went in with the ring, self sacrifice

Which while there are differences between the movie and book, the movie copies the book of him going off with the Elves?

 

[Darth Elektra]

Keira is so beautiful it took me a while to notice anybody else was on there.

lol,