The Official Pirates of The Caribbean: World's End Thread!

[L0ngsh0t]

I mean the two Mummy movies together haven't made what AWE has made I don't really think that argument works

 

[The Dark Defender]

I do, since as I said the sequels are bashed frequently.

 

[L0ngsh0t]

True, but juding from how often they're bashed, I think the same could be said about them as the Mummy movies, except in this case more people went and didn't like it enough to see it again (and the Mummy sequel still made more than the first).

Well then people are paying to see a movie they bash more than once when unlike last summer there is plenty more to watch, and people are dummer than I think

I don't really believe the audience are paying repeat money to a movie they don't like, especially in a year like this where there is so much to watch, I don't believe they would do it last year ether cause 10 bucks to see something you hate is way to much

 

[The Dark Defender]

They don't have to pay to see it more than once...
True, but juding from how often they're bashed, I think the same could be said about them as the Mummy movies, except in this case more people went and didn't like it enough to see it again (and the Mummy sequel still made more than the first).
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And the Mummy films came out quite a while ago, with inflation considered, I really doubt that AWE has made as much as two Mummy films combined.

I'm not saying that they aren't getting repeat business, naturally there are still plenty of people that like them, but there seem to also be plenty of people that saw them and hated them.

 

[L0ngsh0t]

They don't have to pay to see it more than once...
True, but juding from how often they're bashed, I think the same could be said about them as the Mummy movies, except in this case more people went and didn't like it enough to see it again (and the Mummy sequel still made more than the first).
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And the Mummy films came out quite a while ago, with inflation considered, I really doubt that AWE has made as much as two Mummy films combined.

I am gunna be honest there is no way Pirates has grossed almost 2 billion dollars off one time views... you are foolish to think so

and also there is no way AWE would have made anything if DMC is as hated as you suggest

 

[The Dark Defender]

I am gunna be honest there is no way Pirates has grossed almost 2 billion dollars off one time views... you are foolish to think so

and also there is no way AWE would have made anything if DMC is as hated as you suggest

I'm suggesting that alot of people hate them and they're bashed quite often, I'm not suggesting that there aren't alot of people that like them.

 

[L0ngsh0t]

I'm suggesting that alot of people hate them and they're bashed quite often, I'm not suggesting that there aren't alot of people that like them.

I know there are a lot of people that don't like them, but its probably like 8 to 1 in favor of people who like them

but I think how strongly AWE opened to shows that DMC was liked very much by people it is proof that people liked DMC enough to show up opening weekend to see how it ends

Batman Begins is proof that fans won't come out in full force if they where dissapointed with the previous installment, BB only grossed what 50 million for a tentpole movie...that isn't terrible, but it is far less than the numbers they where hoping for

 

[The Dark Defender]

I don't think a reboot of a franchise that had been dead for years is a very good comparison to a trilogy that just had a movie out.

AWE did open strong yes, but not as strong as DMC.

 

[L0ngsh0t]

I don't think a reboot of a franchise that had been dead for years is a very good comparison to a trilogy that just had a movie out.

AWE did open strong yes, but not as strong as DMC.

actually DMC opened to 130, and I believe AWE is 150, and really the only difference is the extra 8 pm showing that AWE had, beisdes that both opened on a Friday

 

[Erzengel]

correct but the built in fandom of LOTR gaurnteed its success before a reel of film was ever made, it didn't have to be as good (in the eye of the beholder) as they where for them to be monumental success, if they where even considered average movies they still would have made a fortune

the idea of Pirates of the caribbean was scoffed at originally and most people where chanting bust, for it to make the 625 it did is more impressive than fellowship getting the insane amount it did imo cause of the fact they are possible sans the bible, and maybe now harry potter, maybe, the most popular series of books ever

so the way I see it is DMC and AWE's 2 billion dollar gross just shows the true popularity of the movies cause there is nothing that they come from just plain old original movies that people love, i.e. they don't love the books for the reason they are going, they just love the movies

But your whole basis on Pirates being more popular than LOTR was intiially the fact of how much the Pirates movies made?

But now that I told you LOTR made more, it's now that Pirates wasn't based on any books and more of a semi original idea and didn't have a built in fanbase that now you are saying it's more popular?

I mean your original statement was if AWE made a billion you would think that would make it more popular than the LOTR movies?

If you are just basing it on gross, the LOTR made that much money when ticket prices were cheaper? In 2001, average ticket price was $5.66 in 2007 is $6.58, that's almost a dollar which means obviously more people saw LOTR movies than Pirates at least in # of tickets sold.

Okay, I'm not going to get into a LOTR vs. Pirates which one is better because obviously, it's a matter of opinion. However, if you just don't like LOTR and because you like Pirates, you shouldn't let that bias your opinion?

Pirates isn't my favorite trilogy, not even of this decade but I won't discount it's popularity.

 

[L0ngsh0t]

But your whole basis on Pirates being more popular than LOTR was intiially the fact of how much the Pirates movies made?

But now that I told you LOTR made more, it's now that Pirates wasn't based on any books and more of a semi original idea and didn't have a built in fanbase that now you are saying it's more popular?

I mean your original statement was if AWE made a billion you would think that would make it more popular than the LOTR movies?

If you are just basing it on gross, the LOTR made that much money when ticket prices were cheaper? In 2001, average ticket price was $5.66 in 2007 is $6.58, that's almost a dollar which means obviously more people saw LOTR movies than Pirates at least in # of tickets sold.

Okay, I'm not going to get into a LOTR vs. Pirates which one is better because obviously, it's a matter of opinion. However, if you just don't like LOTR and because you like Pirates, you shouldn't let that bias your opinion?

Pirates isn't my favorite trilogy, not even of this decade but I won't discount it's popularity.

LOTR is way popular, but because they are decent books (with a cheap ending imo), but most people love those books, they are also considered great works of film too.

But, do you honestly think the movies would have hit that high of a gross without the books? And whatever you truely believe I think is your answer to which is more popular, cause I don't for a second believe they would come close to 900 million each without the books, 6-7 mabey if people where willing to sit through tediously long and gloomy movies that they had no connection with the source material.

 

[The Dark Defender]

They wouldn't be willing to sit through tediously long and gloomy movies, but that's irrelevant, since most audiences didn't find LOTR to be that (and me and many, many other hardcore fans hadn't even read the books prior to the films, the book sales soared after the films were released).

 

[The Dark Defender]

actually DMC opened to 130, and I believe AWE is 150, and really the only difference is the extra 8 pm showing that AWE had, beisdes that both opened on a Friday

Fair enough, none the less a reboot of a dead franchise isn't a very good template to a trilogy that just had an installment out, and AWE did drop off financially from DMC.

 

[Erzengel]

Does it matter though that LOTR was adapted from the books?

As opposed to one adapted from a Disney Ride?

Does it make it less popular?

Either way, there's no way to guage that. If LOTR was an original idea, maybe it wouldn't have or maybe it would have still been popular? But there's no way to honestly tell.

And this all goes back to opinion.

In terms of popularity? I would choose the one with the gross, Oscars, critical acclaim and the AFI nod.

You seem to want to argue soley the gross and that it wasn't based on any books.

 

[Erzengel]

By the way, I never read the books. And I love LOTR. Best Trilogy of at least the past few years.

Of course behind Star Wars and Indiana Jones.

 

[Erzengel]

Fair enough, none the less a reboot of a dead franchise isn't a very good template to a trilogy that just had an installment out, and AWE did drop off financially from DMC.

Domestically, yes but foreign gross looks the same.

 

[Darth Elektra]

Fair enough, none the less a reboot of a dead franchise isn't a very good template to a trilogy that just had an installment out, and AWE did drop off financially from DMC.

Not really...

Dead Man's Chest:

Domestic: $423,315,812
Foreign: $642,863,913

Worldwide: $1,066,179,725

At World's End:

Domestic: $302,822,845
Foreign: $624,933,000

WorldWide: $927,755,845

Considering the stiff competition (Three 300-million dollar movies all opening in a period of three weeks, ofcourse the domestic take was going to go down.)

 

[L0ngsh0t]

Does it matter though that LOTR was adapted from the books?

As opposed to one adapted from a Disney Ride?

Does it make it less popular?

Either way, there's no way to guage that. If LOTR was an original idea, maybe it wouldn't have or maybe it would have still been popular? But there's no way to honestly tell.

And this all goes back to opinion.

In terms of popularity? I would choose the one with the gross, Oscars, critical acclaim and the AFI nod.

You seem to want to argue soley the gross and that it wasn't based on any books.

and you seem to think the disney ride is as popular as one of the best selling books of all time

 

[L0ngsh0t]

Fair enough, none the less a reboot of a dead franchise isn't a very good template to a trilogy that just had an installment out, and AWE did drop off financially from DMC.

well if people hate DMC like you suggest than how come people came out in waves to see AWE?

it's the same thing people where less than satisfyed with BnR and they didn't come out right away to see BB

weather the franchise is dead or fresh off a movie, if people don't like the movie they won't go to its sequel

 

[Erzengel]

and you seem to think the disney ride is as popular as one of the best selling books of all time

In my opinion? I think LOTR is more popular than Pirates for the same reasons I stated earlier.

 

[L0ngsh0t]

In my opinion? I think LOTR is more popular than Pirates for the same reasons I stated earlier.

wait you make it sound like it is close?

The books are far more popular than the ride is, far more popular and it isn't even close

 

[Erzengel]

No I don't think it's close. Just cause I say Pirates is popular doesn't mean I think it's in the same level as LOTR.

 

[L0ngsh0t]

No I don't think it's close. Just cause I say Pirates is popular doesn't mean I think it's in the same level as LOTR.

I think the popularity of the films it is more popular, but LOTR has the books which have been around for decades of course it is going to be the more popular franchise, but films alone I think Pirates has it beat, which brings me back to the point of this Pirates made 2 and a half billion dollars on the sheer popularity of the movies, where as LOTR made over 2 and a half on the popularity of the books, plus the fact the movies where pretty good i.e. it needs both to get to as high of a gross as it did, without the books if they where just original movies you would not be looking at as high of a gross

 

[Erzengel]

If you want to just go by the films, I'd still say it was more popular.

And LOTR made that much money, not soley on the books, I never read the books and I saw them more than once and even bought the DVDs.

So even with out the gross, you have the critical acclaim, each movie being reviewed very well, you have the Oscars, and you have AFI.

 

[The Dark Defender]

Domestically, yes but foreign gross looks the same.

I doubt AWE will surpass a billion.

We don't know how much LOTR would've made if it weren't for the books, but regardless of whether the popularity of the films stems from the books or not, the popularity is still there and those films are praised more often and bashed less than the Pirates films.