The Official Pirates of The Caribbean: World's End Thread!

[Erzengel]

the difference with Pirates vs Comic book characters which is why I think it has the closest chance of getting to the star wars level of staying power is comic book characters have a set world that they live in and set hero's, we read about them all the time, Batman is the hero yadda yadda, Gotham is his world

where Pirates and Star Wars is different, and it will remain to be seen how Disney plans on exploiting this like SW and Harry Potter have, with books, games, and possibly other movies, is that with the tinsey bit we've seen of other Pirating colonies, like Singapore and what not, there is obviously a lot more out there that we don't know about, and a lot more that has come before it

with Superhero's what is out there is out there, yes we add a villain and a storyline here and there (which is why I like X-men comic book wise the best cause it is a never ending universe) but you can only do so much in the world of Batman

With Pirates it's obvious the chance for more great adventures with (even without Jack Sparrow though I and most people wouldn't recommend it) out anyone from these movies returnning, we could do a prequel on early days of pirating with Blackbeard, and Red Beard, and Long John Silver etc, or Treasure Island, or continue the adventures of Jack Sparrow, and maybe find another fan favorite who may one day replace him

yes you are right it is a trend for now, but I think the excellent writting of elliot and russo have lent them the single best chance in the last 25 years since star wars of even coming close to the post trilogy success that franchise has had

And this brings us back full circle, wait 10 years and see what happens.

Will there be other series, movies, etc.? Have to wait and see. Speculation and $1.25 will get you a coffee.

Lastly, Potter by the time the last movie is released will be out for 10 or so years longer than the 4 years of Pirates. They are even making an addition to Universal just for Potter. Speculation for that is it'll be around for a while.

 

[Erzengel]

More so what I was trying to get at is this

Critics do what is popular, and in the last 2 years it became popular to bash Pirates, all negitive reviews are all the same, all this crap about the plot being confusing and stuff that a more single minded person like yourself doesn't think the movies where bad for

Critics want to maintain the images they think for themseleves, but no critic wants to be the guy to praise Battlefield Earth, or pan Star Wars, so with big movies that is why the reviews all tend to be the same

this can be seen in the Matrix trilogy for starters

Matrix 1 turned out to be a phenomenom that swept the country and pretty much change action and special effects since then

Matrix 2 has a 81 percent (last time I checked) on RT, critics where afriad to pan it, in fear of a negative reaction to them from fans. I dunno about you, but even people like myself who think that movie gets to much of a hard time from fans, would still think that movie is worthy of such a high raiting (I would say like 65 would be good for it),

Matrix 3 comes out, and from the bad taste left in most peoples mouths fomr the second, and this movie plumets to the lower 40's of a raiting, cause most critics assume pan is the popular vote, I don't think Revolutions is great by any means, but a visual effects stopper like that deserves a raiting in the high 50's at least of effects alone imo

I like small releases a little better cause normally critics don't get a chance to see what others have said yet, and you'll get a couple critics that pan Babel (68 percent for a movie up for best picture?) or what not, but with big movies like this, no chance, what the popular critics do is what the majority of critics will do

So you think that critics will eventually change their minds about Pirates?

 

[L0ngsh0t]

So you think that critics will eventually change their minds about Pirates?

I think it is possible, basically if Pirates becomes the next star wars (even coming remotley close to being the next) in terms of post trilogy legacy i.e. books, comics, games, consistent and new action figures sold etc. and the movies become, I think without a doubt the critics will change their minds cause they don't want to be unpopular with people

but moreso what I ment was the 54 and 49 the two sequels scored on RT, I think it was just trendy to bash Pirates, and joe critic didn't want to be the guy to praise them, or at least give them a positive review cause his other colleuges didn't

I think Peter Travers kind of is the epitomey of this, he praised DMC, and then bashed AWE for the same exact things he praised DMC for, i.e. Jack Sparrows falmboyentcy, twisting plot why you ask? I would bet (can't prove it, but per pressure never goes away) he didn't want to be one of the few big critics to praise AWE. In all fairness it is his job, and if there is a movie a bunch of heavy weight critics are bashing, and he isn't it could be viewed as he isn't doing his job properly, it goes back to what I said earlier, no critic wants to stand alone, it's just like all the celebrities who said they where voting democrate in the 04 elections, like really did most of them give a damn? I don't think so, they all just did it cause it was popular

 

[Erzengel]

You make it sound like it's a conspiracy.

And by your other statements of how critics tend to do what's popular? By that rational, shouldn't have AWE got better reviews based on how popular DMC was?

Isn't it just as possible that the Pirates movies will just remain popular with regular movie goers and semi lukewarm with the critics? It doesn't seem out of the realm of possibilities.

Lastly, most of the people here were like gung ho about not caring about what the critics say. So what should it matter if the critics change their minds. Would it make you or anyone else enjoy the movies more? Or are you looking for more justification on the quality of these movies?

 

[Darth Elektra]

Pirates Hitting DVD and Blu-ray Dec. 4

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Captain Jack Sparrow returns in a massively entertaining epic adventure beyond the very ends of the earth in the #1 worldwide box office phenomenon of 2007. Join Elizabeth, Will, and Captain Barbossa as they navigate through treacherous lands, mysterious lore, and supernatural wonders of the Pirate world. Meet the legendary pirate lords as they prepare for a titanic clash with the ruthless Lord Beckett and Davy Jones' fearsome Flying Dutchman.

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Enter the Maelstrom is a BD-Java interactive feature that was developed and produced by Disney and programmed by Panasonic Hollywood Laboratory. Panasonic is a key technology provider for BD-Java or Blu-ray Disc Java, which is the interactive platform supporting advanced content for Blu-ray Disc. BD-Java allows bonus content on Blu-ray Disc titles to be far more sophisticated then bonus content provided by standard definition DVD. Panasonic also handled the film's AVC video compression (Advanced Video Coding; a digital video codec standard that is noted for achieving very high data compression) direct from digital intermediates as well as menu authoring for Disc 1 of the Blu-ray 2-disc set.

Just when he's needed most, Captain Jack Sparrow (Johnny Depp), that witty and wily charmer of a pirate, is trapped on a sea of sand in Davy Jones' Locker. In an increasingly shaky alliance, Will Turner (Orlando Bloom), Elizabeth Swann (Keira Knightley) and Captain Barbossa (Geoffrey Rush) begin a desperate quest to find and rescue him. Captain Jack's the last of the nine Pirate Lords of the Brethren Court who must come together united in one last stand to preserve the freedom-loving pirates' way of life. From exotic Singapore, to World's End and beyond, from Shipwreck Island, to a titanic battle, this adventure's filled with over-the-edge action, irreverent humor and seafaring myth and magic. Everything has led to this twisting, turning, wild swashbuckling ride in this final chapter of the Pirates Of The Caribbean trilogy.

2-Disc Disney DVD Bonus Materials

DISC 1

• Feature Film Presentation
• Bloopers of the Caribbean – hilarious outtakes of cast and crew
DISC 2

• Anatomy of a Scene: The Maelstrom – a detailed breakdown of one of cinema's most complex and impressive action set pieces
• Keith & the Captain– A revealing look at the dynamic relationship between living legends Keith Richards and Johnny Depp
• Tale of the Multiple Jacks – an in-depth look at the mind-blowing FX that went into creating multiple Captain Jacks
• Hoist the Colors – reveals the inspiration for the "Hoist the Colors" original composition
• Masters of Design – five individual documentaries highlighting the talented design teams behind this immense production
o #1: Jim Byrkit and The Map
o #2: Crash McCreary and the Krusty Pirates
o #3: Rick Heinrichs and the Singapore Set
o #4: Penny Rose and the Captain Teague Costumes
o #5: Chris Peck and the Pirate Code Book
• Inside the Brethren Court – a closer look at the legendary Pirate Lords and theircostume designs, origins and unique personalities
• The Pirate Code: Revealed – explores the pirate code and the history of piracy
• The World of Chow Yun Fat – a look at the man behind devious Captain Sao Feng, international sensation Chow Yun Fat, and his meteoric rise to fame
• The Pirate Maestro: The Music of Hans Zimmer – meet the renowned composer who created the film's rousing score

Blu-ray 2-Disc Bonus Materials

DISC 1

• Feature Film Presentation
• Jolly Roger Host – BD-Java Exclusive

DISC 2

• Enter the Maelstrom – BD-Java Exclusive
• All Standard DVD Bonus Content – available in high-definition

Single Disc Disney DVD Bonus Materials

DISC 1

• Feature Film Presentation
• Feature Audio Commentary
• Bloopers of the Caribbean

 

[mehdi5]

AWEsome, i will definitly buy the Blu-Ray versiont:

 

[Storm22]

any disc artwork yet?

 

[Bastila]

Nice extras some things worth watching on there.

 

[BloodyWolverine]

Is there gonna be any dvd commentaries if so who will be doing them. The writers again or the cast. Will the commentaries be on regular dvd format.

 

[Bastila]

Is there gonna be any dvd commentaries if so who will be doing them. The writers again or the cast. Will the commentaries be on regular dvd format.

Yeah I wonder if they will have comertary on it.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Only getting because I have the other two already

 

[BloodyWolverine]

I mean common knowledge would assume that regular dvd would sell more because not everyone has blue ray players. Itw ould suck if the regular dvd's didn't have commentaries if teh first two movies did on dvd.

 

[L0ngsh0t]

You make it sound like it's a conspiracy.

And by your other statements of how critics tend to do what's popular? By that rational, shouldn't have AWE got better reviews based on how popular DMC was?

Isn't it just as possible that the Pirates movies will just remain popular with regular movie goers and semi lukewarm with the critics? It doesn't seem out of the realm of possibilities.

Lastly, most of the people here were like gung ho about not caring about what the critics say. So what should it matter if the critics change their minds. Would it make you or anyone else enjoy the movies more? Or are you looking for more justification on the quality of these movies?

to answer nope, I think critics in general, not all but a lot of them have worse opinions in movies than the average movie goer, I respect peoples opinions on boards like these better than I do critics.

and the quality of the movie is so subjective anyways its not even worth getting into, a critic may say the writting sucks, but even movies with the best writting in them are dwarfed by the best written novels, and saying acting is pale, theater features consistently better acting than any film, and then critics pan a film that exsists on a pure entertainment level, when it all comes down to movies being here for our entertainment not to be glorified as the best written movies ever, or best acting. For some one to tell me Citizen Kane is a better movie than a Pirates, or Batman Begins, or Indiana Jones is purpostorus cause I have not met a single person who can stomach sitting through that slop, it may have influnced decades of film since, and is a genuine grand production, I acknowledge, but the fact that it can't entertain a grandparent imo doesn't put it even close, I would rather watch something even more mindless like a Crank than that cause it succeeds in the most important part of making a movie, entertainment

 

[Erzengel]

I guess somewhere we got off topic here.

But, the whole point of our most recent diatribe is that it is impossible to forsee what kinda impact Pirates may have if any 10 years from now. While you can speculate on a 4th movie, toys, books, etc., you don't know and the only way you will know is with time. Which is why I said, hey wait 10 years.

In regards to the critics, is it possible for them to change their tune about Pirates years from now? Yes, it's possible. I personally think it's unlikely because it's rare. And you are also in a different age now, everything is pretty much cataloged, referenced, wikipedia'd. And I really don't see a mass exodus from critics changing their opinions. Pirates has been popular since it's release. If critics were so staunch on following what the crowds thought were popular, DMC and AWE would have gotten better reviews.

 

[L0ngsh0t]

I guess somewhere we got off topic here.

But, the whole point of our most recent diatribe is that it is impossible to forsee what kinda impact Pirates may have if any 10 years from now. While you can speculate on a 4th movie, toys, books, etc., you don't know and the only way you will know is with time. Which is why I said, hey wait 10 years.

In regards to the critics, is it possible for them to change their tune about Pirates years from now? Yes, it's possible. I personally think it's unlikely because it's rare. And you are also in a different age now, everything is pretty much cataloged, referenced, wikipedia'd. And I really don't see a mass exodus from critics changing their opinions. Pirates has been popular since it's release. If critics were so staunch on following what the crowds thought were popular, DMC and AWE would have gotten better reviews.

no no no, you did misunderstand me, critics follow what the other critics say was my point. They don't want to be the guy to praise Pirates when for the most part it seems like the rest of their colleuges aren't, my point was if a movie is getting one kind of review from the big dog critics and this one local critic thinks something else of a movie they will make their opinion formulate more in the middle to not stand completely out for their job is on the line.

 

[Erzengel]

So essentially, critics follow a domino effect?

One critic makes a bad review and everyone lines up behind said critic?

No offense L0ngsh0t, but I just find that unlikely.

I'll even give you this. Pirates is a successful movie despite the reviews of critics? I find that more likely. It just sounds silly to think there was an "agenda" against Pirates.

 

[PhoenixSparrow]

Ah, there isn't any deleted scenes on the DVD?
I'm dismayed now! XD

 

[Bastila]

Ah, there isn't any deleted scenes on the DVD?
I'm dismayed now! XD

No there isn't, damn I hate it when they do that.

 

[L0ngsh0t]

So essentially, critics follow a domino effect?

One critic makes a bad review and everyone lines up behind said critic?

No offense L0ngsh0t, but I just find that unlikely.

I'll even give you this. Pirates is a successful movie despite the reviews of critics? I find that more likely. It just sounds silly to think there was an "agenda" against Pirates.

I would love for you to read through my last couple o' posts and see whereever I have said their is a specific agenda against Pirates? I do think Pirates is a movie that may have been hurt by this, but not the focus of it by any means

okay ask yourself this, your lively hood is giving your opinion, you write for a newspaper, and you truely though Battlefield earth was great, knowing that it is getting ripped apart and you would be one of its only supports, would you give it the review you thought it deserved like a 8, or would you like maybe nudge it down to a 5 or so in fear of not looking like you know how to review movies...?
Or if you thought Star Wars truely sucked, and you gave it a 5? it'd be like the guy who cut Jordan from his H.S. team his first year...you wouldn't have a job, so what do most critics do? they pad the review, they give SW a 7 or 8 and spice up the "averages" to "great" etc.
I think stuff like this happens ever day especially with big budget movies that no one wants to completely miss the general opinion most critics share with a movie

 

[PhoenixSparrow]

@Alice -Yeah, especially when there was good scenes cut out!

 

[Erzengel]

I would love for you to read through my last couple o' posts and see whereever I have said their is a specific agenda against Pirates? I do think Pirates is a movie that may have been hurt by this, but not the focus of it by any means

You may have not specifically said that but it's not that far of a leap of thought.

okay ask yourself this, your lively hood is giving your opinion, you write for a newspaper, and you truely though Battlefield earth was great, knowing that it is getting ripped apart and you would be one of its only supports, would you give it the review you thought it deserved like a 8, or would you like maybe nudge it down to a 5 or so in fear of not looking like you know how to review movies...?
Or if you thought Star Wars truely sucked, and you gave it a 5? it'd be like the guy who cut Jordan from his H.S. team his first year...you wouldn't have a job, so what do most critics do? they pad the review, they give SW a 7 or 8 and spice up the "averages" to "great" etc.
I think stuff like this happens ever day especially with big budget movies that no one wants to completely miss the general opinion most critics share with a movie

So...Critic A loves Pirates and wants to give it 4 stars. He then sees Critic B and Critc C who give it 2 stars each, Critc A then changes his 4 star review to 2 stars as to not look bad to the other critics?

 

[L0ngsh0t]

You may have not specifically said that but it's not that far of a leap of thought.


So...Critic A loves Pirates and wants to give it 4 stars. He then sees Critic B and Critc C who give it 2 stars each, Critc A then changes his 4 star review to 2 stars as to not look bad to the other critics?

Not that drastic of a change, I would say he would change it to 3, just close enough that he doesn't distance himself from the pact, but can still give a movie he thought was good a decent raiting, but yes that is my general point

and it happens a lot with indie movies to like LMS, and Crash cause they get reviewed on seperate dates, so a movie like LMS (which I believe has a higher RT score than Emprie Strikes Back) which just caught steam and it seemed like every week a new 5 star review was coming out-the movie was decent but seriously...Like I wonder what the guys who where part of the 4 percent of negative reviews are doing right now, do you think they have a job? I think they still probably do unless they have done something like that before, even if it is their honest opinion (or they own their own website and don't give a damn)

 

[Erzengel]

Okay DMC got 54% with a creme of the crop of 42% and AWE got 46% with a creme of the crop of 35%.

What do you think the "actual" numbers if the critics were "honest" with us would have been?

 

[L0ngsh0t]

Okay DMC got 54% with a creme of the crop of 42% and AWE got 46% with a creme of the crop of 35%.

What do you think the "actual" numbers if the critics were "honest" with us would have been?

I honestly think the mid to upper seventies the user raitings on RT, and IMDB have given it are what they are probably worth

by those numbers though erz with your opinion on the movies, do you think they are right?

what i see is I see DMC has a better raiting cause some critics may have been afriad to give DMC a bad review due to the success of Curse, and then AWE some may have not wanted to give it a good review cause DMC had was so devided...regardless I would think there are few who would argue which is better

 

[Erzengel]

Well I thought AWE was better than DMC, so technically my opinions differed from those of the critics.

You mention IMDB but even Curse barely breaks the top 250. DMC or AWE aren't even listed, yet all 3 Rings are in the top 25. So if you think IMDB are giving DMC or AWE what it's worth, then don't you have to agree that LOTR being as high as it is are what they are worth?

But, you ask the question. You say those numbers should be 30 to 40% higher. But who's to say they shouldn't be 10 to 20% lower? It's all a matter of concensus. For so many critics to low ball their review as to fit in, 30 to 40% as you say is a lot. I may have given you 5-10% but it's hard to fathom that many reviewers who edited their reviews because of others.

Like I said, is it so bad to say, DMC & AWE, 2 movies that get lukewarm or slightly disfavorable reviews, exceled despite the critics? I just find that more likely than dozens of critics too scared to print what they really wanted.