The Dark Knight The Official Plot holes thread.

[ultimatefan]

like i said prior, it would have not only been cooler, but far more relevant if joker put the hit out on gordon instead. theres far more interesting potential there, and despicable behavior on joker's behalf. it also would have resulted in a tighter film, something TDK was lacking.


certainly true. though, i dont think it'd be entirely inappropriate to take a suspension of beliefe/out of sight out of mind approach to this. but even still, wayne tech didnt build things like the tumbler out of habit. they were commissioned by the military for such technology, the military would have these blueprints as well. who's to say batman isnt actually someone with military affiliation? certainly that'd be far more likely than billionaire playboy bruce wayne.



which turned out to be a pretty fruitless and pointless plot line. it had little to nothing to do with anything else going on in the film, and it garnered such little and useless attention, it mind as well have been cut all together.



im pretty sure that bruce would have had no problem making the effort to extract all files, information, and proof that could tie him to batman. seeing as how important it would be to keep his secret identity, well, a secret.



and thats the ONLY tie reese has to the actual plot of the film. and that could have been exorcised by having the hit be put out on gordon. the results would have been far more effective.

If you mean Gordon instead of Reese, no, it wouldn´t, it would have been a terrible idea, just like all your "they should have done this instead of that" ideas so far. It makes perfect sense in showing the insane nature of Joker, that he´d make all that effort to make Batman reveal his identity and turn himself in, and then change his mind, he said it himself, "I´m not a guy with a plan", it fits perfectly his unpredictable nature, and his growing obsession with challenging Batman instead of just getting rid of him, which has been explored a lot in comics, and it´s great irony that Bruce is the one who saves Reese, that he is so worried of protecting his secret, but saving lives still matters more.

The entire division had been closed. Even as these projects were ordered and in development, it´s all put together in pieces, one person doesn´t know what the other is doing, things change during development, and it may have been discarded because of the bridge problem before it was even showed to the army. And as Lucius himself pointed out, even with Reese finding out the truth, what was he going to do about it? threaten one of the most powerful men in the country, who´s ALSO a violent vigilante? Of course the circumstances changed, but no one expected Joker to become such a threat and that he´d obsess as much with revealing Batman´s identity at that point.

 

[Niobe]

Well I saw that movie for the 2nd (but definitely not the last ) time and got most of my questions regarding the plot answered. Still, there is (at least) one thing that bugs me:

In the last Batman/Joker scene, how did Joker know that Batman would find him? I mean, he had no way of knowing that Batman "improved" the mobile phones and used some totally crazy technology to find him!

 

[ultimatefan]

Well I saw that movie for the 2nd (but definitely not the last ) time and got most of my questions regarding the plot answered. Still, there is (at least) one thing that bugs me:

In the last Batman/Joker scene, how did Joker know that Batman would find him? I mean, he had no way of knowing that Batman "improved" the mobile phones and used some totally crazy technology to find him!

He knew that Batman would be resourceful enough to figure it out, doesn´t mean he´d make it any easier, though.

 

[crazyrabbits]

Look,

Some of you guys need to learn what a plot hole is.

I've watched this movie four times (probably too many by most people's standards), and I enjoy the hell out of it. I'm going to buy the DVD release, and the special quadruple-deluxe edition, and whatever else comes out related to this film. That said, even I can admit that there are logical jumps and gaps in this film that aren't explained.

A plot hole is a gap in the story where it goes from point A to point B without telling you how exactly it got there, and it isn't shown on-screen. Trust me when I say that two years of dealing with the same types of problems on the StarTrek.com message boards (yes, I'm a Trekkie) have made me wise to the usage and application of that term.

Batman magically finding where Dent had the Arkham inmate tied up and ready to kill is one such jump in the story. The Joker magically getting enough explosives to level ferries in the space of a few hours is a jump in logic. Maroni's legs magically healing after a couple of days (at the most) is another jump....and yes, the Joker magically leaving Dent's party without being caught is another.

Maybe the Joker took a helicopter out, and magically knew how to pilot it. Maybe he used well-connected police sources to sneak out. Maybe he just ran like a madman and got back to his vehicle (as behind-the-scenes footage suggests). Or maybe Batman went back up after, and had a massive brawl with the Joker. Regardless, it's never explained in the final cut how the Joker managed to escape. For all purposes, this film is "canon" in the Dark Knight Trilogy, and any alternate or deleted scenes run contrary to the director's vision.

That's not necessarily a bad thing, mind you. Lots of films have plot holes. Even this one.

 

[magus]

Look,

Some of you guys need to learn what a plot hole is.

I've watched this movie four times (probably too many by most people's standards), and I enjoy the hell out of it. I'm going to buy the DVD release, and the special quadruple-deluxe edition, and whatever else comes out related to this film. That said, even I can admit that there are logical jumps and gaps in this film that aren't explained.

A plot hole is a gap in the story where it goes from point A to point B without telling you how exactly it got there, and it isn't shown on-screen. Trust me when I say that two years of dealing with the same types of problems on the StarTrek.com message boards (yes, I'm a Trekkie) have made me wise to the usage and application of that term.

Batman magically finding where Dent had the Arkham inmate tied up and ready to kill is one such jump in the story. The Joker magically getting enough explosives to level ferries in the space of a few hours is a jump in logic. Maroni's legs magically healing after a couple of days (at the most) is another jump....and yes, the Joker magically leaving Dent's party without being caught is another.

Maybe the Joker took a helicopter out, and magically knew how to pilot it. Maybe he used well-connected police sources to sneak out. Maybe he just ran like a madman and got back to his vehicle (as behind-the-scenes footage suggests). Or maybe Batman went back up after, and had a massive brawl with the Joker. Regardless, it's never explained in the final cut how the Joker managed to escape. For all purposes, this film is "canon" in the Dark Knight Trilogy, and any alternate or deleted scenes run contrary to the director's vision.

That's not necessarily a bad thing, mind you. Lots of films have plot holes. Even this one.

All of those are true except the bolded. Maroni had a cane and a limp when Dent "killed" him. Granted that might not be extreme enough for the fall he sustained but they didn't show him just walking around all normal.

 

[Iglius]

Look,

Some of you guys need to learn what a plot hole is.

I've watched this movie four times (probably too many by most people's standards), and I enjoy the hell out of it. I'm going to buy the DVD release, and the special quadruple-deluxe edition, and whatever else comes out related to this film. That said, even I can admit that there are logical jumps and gaps in this film that aren't explained.

A plot hole is a gap in the story where it goes from point A to point B without telling you how exactly it got there, and it isn't shown on-screen. Trust me when I say that two years of dealing with the same types of problems on the StarTrek.com message boards (yes, I'm a Trekkie) have made me wise to the usage and application of that term.

Batman magically finding where Dent had the Arkham inmate tied up and ready to kill is one such jump in the story. The Joker magically getting enough explosives to level ferries in the space of a few hours is a jump in logic. Maroni's legs magically healing after a couple of days (at the most) is another jump....and yes, the Joker magically leaving Dent's party without being caught is another.

Maybe the Joker took a helicopter out, and magically knew how to pilot it. Maybe he used well-connected police sources to sneak out. Maybe he just ran like a madman and got back to his vehicle (as behind-the-scenes footage suggests). Or maybe Batman went back up after, and had a massive brawl with the Joker. Regardless, it's never explained in the final cut how the Joker managed to escape. For all purposes, this film is "canon" in the Dark Knight Trilogy, and any alternate or deleted scenes run contrary to the director's vision.

That's not necessarily a bad thing, mind you. Lots of films have plot holes. Even this one.

Just thought about this one when you posted it; in that scene, doesn't Harvey just get off the phone with Rachael before interrogating the inmate? Maybe Batman used the sonar.

I know it's improbable, but I must say I felt rather proud when I thought of it, so I just wanted to throw it out there.

 

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I love this thread. Actually, only the good parts. Which is the minority. Still great, though.

 

[Motown Marvel]

If you mean Gordon instead of Reese, no, it wouldn´t, it would have been a terrible idea, just like all your "they should have done this instead of that" ideas so far. It makes perfect sense in showing the insane nature of Joker, that he´d make all that effort to make Batman reveal his identity and turn himself in, and then change his mind, he said it himself, "I´m not a guy with a plan", it fits perfectly his unpredictable nature, and his growing obsession with challenging Batman instead of just getting rid of him, which has been explored a lot in comics, and it´s great irony that Bruce is the one who saves Reese, that he is so worried of protecting his secret, but saving lives still matters more.

and having gordon be the target instead of reese changes any of this how? besides, gordon caught the joker. joker escaped. joker could publically humiliate the police force for their incompetence, which has resulted in more deaths, and put the hit out on gordon saying "if you kill him, i'll stop my killing, if you dont kill him, i blow the hospitals." it gives gotham good incentive to try and kill gordon (which would give the joker vindication for being caught by him), and at teh same time it would test and challenge the citizens of gotham, something the joker was doing constantly. it woulda been a good angle. and most importantly, it would cut out a useless character freeing up screen time for more important things.

The entire division had been closed. Even as these projects were ordered and in development, it´s all put together in pieces, one person doesn´t know what the other is doing, things change during development, and it may have been discarded because of the bridge problem before it was even showed to the army. And as Lucius himself pointed out, even with Reese finding out the truth, what was he going to do about it? threaten one of the most powerful men in the country, who´s ALSO a violent vigilante? Of course the circumstances changed, but no one expected Joker to become such a threat and that he´d obsess as much with revealing Batman´s identity at that point.

regardless of how the projects are executed, or who else has blueprints, i still find it hard to believe that bruce and/or fox would negligently leave papers that point directly to batmans identity where they could be fairly easily found by some hired lawyer.

 

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

regardless of how the projects are executed, or who else has blueprints, i still find it hard to believe that bruce and/or fox would negligently leave papers that point directly to batmans identity where they could be fairly easily found by some hired lawyer.

As hard as it is to believe it happened in the comics as well.

Its how Rā's al Ghūl originally described how he figured out who Batman was.

He figured that Batman must be a person of wealth so he had his organization research what wealthy person has bought what kind of equipment the Batman must have.

I saw all of that with Resses as a nod to the old comic.

 

[Motown Marvel]

As hard as it is to believe it happened in the comics as well.

Its how Rā's al Ghūl originally described how he figured out who Batman was.

He figured that Batman must be a person of wealth so he had his organization research what wealthy person has bought what kind of equipment the Batman must have.

I saw all of that with Resses as a nod to the old comic.

i personally dont find the two situations to be similar. ra's used deductive reasoning with the intent to discover batmans identity. reese just stumbled upon negligently placed blueprints to batman's identity.

 

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

i personally dont find the two situations to be similar. ra's used deductive reasoning with the intent to discover batmans identity. reese just stumbled upon negligently placed blueprints to batman's identity.

Its simular because Ras used deductive reasoning to determine that Batman must be a person of money but how he tracked the info back to Bruce was basically by paper work that Bruce neglected to cover up.

Receipts and order forms for equipment bought or commissioned by Bruce that just happened to be the very same equipment that Batman would need.

 

[Motown Marvel]

well, stuff like that cant always be covered up. but it seems obvious that bruce/batman would take the necessary actions to cover stuff up whenever possible.

and specifically in regards to the situation presented in TDK, it does seem negligently out of character for bruce to leave around documents revealing his identity that could apparently be so easily accessed.

the only similarities i see between the situations is that documents were involved that lead to batman's identity. but im more concerned with how those documents were treated by bruce and how they were revealed by others. if reese had been someone actively pursuing batman's identity and used intelligent deductive reasoning to do so, then i'd agree to the similarities. but thats not what happened. he just accidentally stumbled upon negligently placed documents.

 

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

well, stuff like that cant always be covered up. but it seems obvious that bruce/batman would take the necessary actions to cover stuff up whenever possible.

and specifically in regards to the situation presented in TDK, it does seem negligently out of character for bruce to leave around documents revealing his identity that could apparently be so easily accessed.

the only similarities i see between the situations is that documents were involved that lead to batman's identity. but im more concerned with how those documents were treated by bruce and how they were revealed by others. if reese had been someone actively pursuing batman's identity and used intelligent deductive reasoning to do so, then i'd agree to the similarities. but thats not what happened. he just accidentally stumbled upon negligently placed documents.

But he stumbled on the info while useing "intelligent deductive reasoning" to determine where Waynes money was going.

He wasnt trying to find out who Batman was but he was trying to find where the money had been going.

He was told to make an accounting of all of Lao's companies holdings and for good measure he did the same for Wayne tech.

He discovered the missing money,which lead to the missing department that was still getting funding from other sources in the company and that lead him to the blue prints for the missing equipment.

 

[Motown Marvel]

But he stumbled on the info while useing "intelligent deductive reasoning" to determine where Waynes money was going.

He wasnt trying to find out who Batman was but he was trying to find where the money had been going.

He was told to make an accounting of all of Lao's companies holdings and for good measure he did the same for Wayne tech.

He discovered the missing money,which lead to the missing department that was still getting funding from other sources in the company and that lead him to the blue prints for the missing equipment.

i wouldnt conisder what ra's did stumbling over the information. he actively searched it out and successfully discovered it, with the full intent of doing it to discover batman's identity. he had a goal, and he achieved it with deductive reasoning leaving as little to chance as possible.

reese was digging on the trail of one thing, when he happen to come across information of something else by sheer chance.

and despite what similarities you see between the two, i mean even if reese were actively pursuing batman's identity via deductive reasoning...my issue is with bruce leaving documents around that can apparently be accessed by others, rather than taking the appropriate actions to conceal them at all costs. the documents reese found could have been easily concealed by bruce. yet he did not. that just seemed out of character to me.

 

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

i wouldnt conisder what ra's did stumbling over the information. he actively searched it out and successfully discovered it, with the full intent of doing it to discover batman's identity. he had a goal, and he achieved it with deductive reasoning leaving as little to chance as possible.

reese was digging on the trail of one thing, when he happen to come across information of something else by sheer chance.

and despite what similarities you see between the two, i mean even if reese were actively pursuing batman's identity via deductive reasoning...my issue is with bruce leaving documents around that can apparently be accessed by others, rather than taking the appropriate actions to conceal them at all costs. the documents reese found could have been easily concealed by bruce. yet he did not. that just seemed out of character to me.

Well I never said the situations were the same just that they were simular.

And in the long run they were.Ultimately it was paper work that leed both Ras in the comic and Resse in the movie to the same conclusion.

What both characters intended to find as a result of their search is irrelevant.

In the long run both figured out who Batman was because of documents Bruce neglected to cover up.

And in both cases it wouldnt have been too difficult to cover it up.

 

[Motown Marvel]

the degree of difficulty to cover it up would be depend on the documents. the documents reese found at wayne enterprises would be extremely easy to conceal appropriately, which is why i take such issue with that particular situation.but surely there are documents or traces of documents that bruce cant conceal. but regardless of that, it would still be extremely difficult for anyone to connect the dots. but with enough persistance, it would be possible, i suppose.

 

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

the degree of difficulty to cover it up would be depend on the documents. the documents reese found at wayne enterprises would be extremely easy to conceal appropriately, which is why i take such issue with that particular situation.but surely there are documents or traces of documents that bruce cant conceal. but regardless of that, it would still be extremely difficult for anyone to connect the dots. but with enough persistance, it would be possible, i suppose.

Well as you said in a different thread.....DC cant always be perfect.Same applys to the film.

Even Jimmy Olson has recently shown that he figured out who the first 2 Robins were but somehow he couldnt put together who Batman is??????

Anyway its just one of many small issues....I just feel it was used in the movie as a nod to the old comic.

 

[ultimatefan]

and having gordon be the target instead of reese changes any of this how? besides, gordon caught the joker. joker escaped. joker could publically humiliate the police force for their incompetence, which has resulted in more deaths, and put the hit out on gordon saying "if you kill him, i'll stop my killing, if you dont kill him, i blow the hospitals." it gives gotham good incentive to try and kill gordon (which would give the joker vindication for being caught by him), and at teh same time it would test and challenge the citizens of gotham, something the joker was doing constantly. it woulda been a good angle. and most importantly, it would cut out a useless character freeing up screen time for more important things.



regardless of how the projects are executed, or who else has blueprints, i still find it hard to believe that bruce and/or fox would negligently leave papers that point directly to batmans identity where they could be fairly easily found by some hired lawyer.

It changes in the sense that Joker completely reversed his priority, that instead of putting Batman out, he´s actually, in a way, making it about protecting it, forcing him - and Gordon, for that matter - to choose between protecting this guy and protecting his secret identity, whereas before both goals were one and the same. Joker has already humiliated the police force with his escape and killed important authorities, it would be redundant. It´s a far, far better angle.

Reese wasn´t even supposed to actually check those old files, it was an overzealous lawyer thing, and Fox and Bruce are still human, they can still make mistakes, and, like I said, what was Reese going to do, a ***** lawyer was going to blackmail Batman?

 

[Ace of Knaves]

"Let me get this straight. You think that your client, one of the wealthiest and most powerful men in the world, is secretly a vigilante who spends his nights beating criminals to a pulp with his bare hands? And you plan to blackmail this person?"

 

[ultimatefan]

Look,

Some of you guys need to learn what a plot hole is.

I've watched this movie four times (probably too many by most people's standards), and I enjoy the hell out of it. I'm going to buy the DVD release, and the special quadruple-deluxe edition, and whatever else comes out related to this film. That said, even I can admit that there are logical jumps and gaps in this film that aren't explained.

A plot hole is a gap in the story where it goes from point A to point B without telling you how exactly it got there, and it isn't shown on-screen. Trust me when I say that two years of dealing with the same types of problems on the StarTrek.com message boards (yes, I'm a Trekkie) have made me wise to the usage and application of that term.

Batman magically finding where Dent had the Arkham inmate tied up and ready to kill is one such jump in the story. The Joker magically getting enough explosives to level ferries in the space of a few hours is a jump in logic. Maroni's legs magically healing after a couple of days (at the most) is another jump....and yes, the Joker magically leaving Dent's party without being caught is another.

Maybe the Joker took a helicopter out, and magically knew how to pilot it. Maybe he used well-connected police sources to sneak out. Maybe he just ran like a madman and got back to his vehicle (as behind-the-scenes footage suggests). Or maybe Batman went back up after, and had a massive brawl with the Joker. Regardless, it's never explained in the final cut how the Joker managed to escape. For all purposes, this film is "canon" in the Dark Knight Trilogy, and any alternate or deleted scenes run contrary to the director's vision.

That's not necessarily a bad thing, mind you. Lots of films have plot holes. Even this one.

Like you said yourself, most movies, especially one as detailed as this one, and with a promise that has inherent fantasy elements, may make a few logic leaps, or stretches, here and there, where not everything is necessarily explained on screen, and it´s not a big deal. You can easily point similar leaps in the Spider-Man movies, X-Men movies, etc. Still, TDK is incredibly tight for a movie with such a big and complex story, but some people need to make a big fuzz out of even the tiniest hint of a mistake, or what they suppose is one.

 

[JL Unlimited]

Look,

Some of you guys need to learn what a plot hole is.

I've watched this movie four times (probably too many by most people's standards), and I enjoy the hell out of it. I'm going to buy the DVD release, and the special quadruple-deluxe edition, and whatever else comes out related to this film. That said, even I can admit that there are logical jumps and gaps in this film that aren't explained.

A plot hole is a gap in the story where it goes from point A to point B without telling you how exactly it got there, and it isn't shown on-screen. Trust me when I say that two years of dealing with the same types of problems on the StarTrek.com message boards (yes, I'm a Trekkie) have made me wise to the usage and application of that term.

Batman magically finding where Dent had the Arkham inmate tied up and ready to kill is one such jump in the story. The Joker magically getting enough explosives to level ferries in the space of a few hours is a jump in logic. Maroni's legs magically healing after a couple of days (at the most) is another jump....and yes, the Joker magically leaving Dent's party without being caught is another.

Maybe the Joker took a helicopter out, and magically knew how to pilot it. Maybe he used well-connected police sources to sneak out. Maybe he just ran like a madman and got back to his vehicle (as behind-the-scenes footage suggests). Or maybe Batman went back up after, and had a massive brawl with the Joker. Regardless, it's never explained in the final cut how the Joker managed to escape. For all purposes, this film is "canon" in the Dark Knight Trilogy, and any alternate or deleted scenes run contrary to the director's vision.

That's not necessarily a bad thing, mind you. Lots of films have plot holes. Even this one.

Not exactly. Maybe the Trekkies use the term differently? Here is the definition from Wikipedia:

A plot hole is a gap or inconsistency in a storyline that goes against the flow of logic established by the story's plot.

None of your examples and frankly none of anyone else's examples here are gaps that go against the flow of logic established by TDK's plot.


1.) Batman magically finding Dent? It's not magic. It was established in the plot that Batman had developed sonar technology to find people and Harvey used his phone at the beginning of the scene to call Rachel.

2.) Again Joker getting explosives on the ferries in a few hours is not "magic" as you say. The movie had already established in its plot that the Joker is able to do some extraordinary things in this movie. He was able to get explosives to Gotham General Hospital in a few short hours. He was able to steal a big rig and garbage truck as well as a fire truck.

3.) Maroni's leg healing is just a lack of observation. He had a cane in one scene and was noticably limping.

4.) The Joker leaving the party has no bearing on the plot whatsoever, which really makes me question people's understanding of the term "plot hole". You used some examples on how the Joker possibly escaped but any of those could have worked and it wouldn't affect the overall plot one bit. So hence, it's not a plot hole.

 

[Anita18]

Look,

Some of you guys need to learn what a plot hole is.

A plot hole is a gap in the story where it goes from point A to point B without telling you how exactly it got there, and it isn't shown on-screen.

So, what you're saying is, if you see a character come out of a bathroom without showing them going in and relieving themselves, that's a plot hole.



IMO a plot hole is what you say it is, with an ADDITIONAL requirement of rendering the plot illogical as presented in the world of the film.

I loved poking holes in X3's plot because there were so many things that just didn't make sense. They never establish that their plane can do supersonic speeds, yet they can fly it from New York to San Francisco in like, an hour. Oh, that was a good one.

In TDK, every "plot hole" CAN be explained by things we've seen in the film at some point. Whether you believe them to be plausible explanations, is up to you.

 

[Motown Marvel]

It changes in the sense that Joker completely reversed his priority, that instead of putting Batman out, he´s actually, in a way, making it about protecting it, forcing him - and Gordon, for that matter - to choose between protecting this guy and protecting his secret identity, whereas before both goals were one and the same. Joker has already humiliated the police force with his escape and killed important authorities, it would be redundant. It´s a far, far better angle.

i never felt that that "angle" was so integral to the plot that it couldnt be altered. nor did i find it to be all that strong of an angle to begin with. or certainly not integral enough to warrant a whole nother character just for it. nor do i think it would be redundant to have the joker mock the police. the police force's incompetence as viewed by the public, or as exploited publicly by the joker for the sake of their humiliation, was never displayed in the film.

Reese wasn´t even supposed to actually check those old files, it was an overzealous lawyer thing, and Fox and Bruce are still human, they can still make mistakes, and, like I said, what was Reese going to do, a ***** lawyer was going to blackmail Batman?

well, we dont really know where he was and wasnt suppose to check. we just know fox telling him to keep running the numbers and keep digging. and i understand bruce and foz are just human and make mistakes. but this particular mistake seemed like a rather out of character one and quite amateurish. and whats reese gonna do? he was literally on the verge of spilling bruce's secret on live TV!!! he was set to do it if the joker hasnt interfered. clearly, he's not so much of a ***** that he isnt willing to do something about it.

 

[ultimatefan]

i never felt that that "angle" was so integral to the plot that it couldnt be altered. nor did i find it to be all that strong of an angle to begin with. or certainly not integral enough to warrant a whole nother character just for it. nor do i think it would be redundant to have the joker mock the police. the police force's incompetence as viewed by the public, or as exploited publicly by the joker for the sake of their humiliation, was never displayed in the film.



well, we dont really know where he was and wasnt suppose to check. we just know fox telling him to keep running the numbers and keep digging. and i understand bruce and foz are just human and make mistakes. but this particular mistake seemed like a rather out of character one and quite amateurish. and whats reese gonna do? he was literally on the verge of spilling bruce's secret on live TV!!! he was set to do it if the joker hasnt interfered. clearly, he's not so much of a ***** that he isnt willing to do something about it.

It was absolutely integral, considering that Joker´s interest, much more than just killing authorities, was to challenge Batman, explore the dangers and moral dubiousness of his double life as a vigilante and force him into impossible choices and prove that rules and reason are useless. It would be at least repetitive, considering he had already been sucessful in killing the city comissioner, a judge and attorney, disfigured the district attorney, and escaped from prison after a large operation was set to trap him. But again, what you find strong or not is for you to deal with, not anyone else.


When he said he checked the company´s old files, he clearly sounded like he was doing more than he was asked for, he informed it to Lucius, who clearly didn´t know he was going to do it. Reese was going to spill the secret because of the threat of The Joker, which came out only after Lucius conversation with him. He tried to do the blackmail cuz he didn´t think it through, but when Lucius told him what it really meant, he chickened out, like... A ***** lawyer.

 

[Motown Marvel]

It was absolutely integral, considering that Bruce was at odds with his double life, and that Joker´s interest, much more than just killing authorities, was to challenge Batman, force him into impossible choices and prove that rules and reason are useless. It would be at least repetitive, considering he had already been sucessful in killing the city comissioner, a judge and attorney, disfigured the district attorney, and escaped from prison after a large operation was set to trap him. But again, what you find strong or not is your problem.

joker was challenging batman by challenging society and authority in general. that would include gordon. and what better way to create fear and chaos by killing the brand new commissioner just days after having killed the previous commissioner. no one wold want the job, society would have lost faith in the police force which makes batman's job all the more difficult and challening. but, clearly, gordon wouldnt get killed. and what i find strong isnt my problem...im pretty sure its more my opinion.

When he said he checked the company´s old files, he clearly sounded like he was doing more than he was asked for, he informed it to Lucius, who clearly didn´t know he was going to do it. Reese was going to spill the secret because of the threat of The Joker, which came out only after Lucius conversation with him. He tried to do the blackmail cuz he didn´t think it through, but when Lucius told him what it really meant, he chickened out, like... A ***** lawyer.

regardless, my point remains that it was negligent and out of character for bruce to leave those files so accessible.