The Dark Knight The Official Plot holes thread.

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

i have a few

how could joker set up all thoses schemes with the bombs and things....and also how could he afford it?

How did no one notice the bombs on the ferrys before they left port

How did harvey survive the car crash if maroni(i think thats his name) died in the crash.

sorry you just gave me a laugh

 

[I Am The Knight]

How did harvey survive the car crash if maroni(i think thats his name) died in the crash.

Doc Ock: "Fasten your seat belts."

VROOOOM!

Two-Face secured himself before shooting the drivah.

 

[Obsidian]

i have a few

how could joker set up all thoses schemes with the bombs and things....and also how could he afford it?

How did no one notice the bombs on the ferrys before they left port

How did harvey survive the car crash if maroni(i think thats his name) died in the crash.

He did steal $68 million from the mob

 

[3goldens]

Did Maroni break his legs when Batman threw him off the building? I thought he did. I only ask because you see Maroni getting into the car with Two-face later and I don't recall crutches, or even a walking cane.

Maybe he's a fast healer.

He clearly was walking with a limp and was using a cane.

 

[escobar2248]

Did Maroni break his legs when Batman threw him off the building? I thought he did. I only ask because you see Maroni getting into the car with Two-face later and I don't recall crutches, or even a walking cane.

Maybe he's a fast healer.

Haha, he was using a cane and walking VERY gingerly when he entered the car prior to encounter with Harvey.

 

[blues_ux]

Those masks have just oh so terrible eye holes. If anything they were looking ahead and not where Batman came from. Trying to explain that would be like trying to explain how Batman gets out of the safe of the bank so quickly.

good point. i guess he quietly sneaked his way to where rachel was or something like that. that was the only thing that bothered me. other than that, i saw no other plot holes i can think of

 

[CaptainClown]

i have a few

how could joker set up all thoses schemes with the bombs and things....and also how could he afford it?

How did no one notice the bombs on the ferrys before they left port

How did harvey survive the car crash if maroni(i think thats his name) died in the crash.

Joker thinks that far ahead. If anything he has a bunch of back up plans encase something fails. He knew he would HAVE to get his one phone call whether he forced it or was permitted. The Joker also gathered a lot of insane people from Arkham under the guise that he would help heal them (so says the fatman). The Joker also stole money to, as he put it, help buy his new suit. Money is not a problem with the Joker when he doesn't want it.

Nobody noticed the bombs because it is possible that Jokers goons were controlling the ferries. It is also possible that in the thick of all the chaos nobody noticed it.

Seatbelts are the key between life and death Also it isn't quite known if Maroni is dead. He could be paralyzed for all we know.

 

[JL Unlimited]

how could joker set up all thoses schemes with the bombs and things....and also how could he afford it?

You just have to suspend your disbelief about Joker being able to set up all the bombs undetected. We just have to assume that the Joker is a mastermind and able to do everything perfectly as shown in the bank heist.

The Joker has plenty of money. This goes to Anita who posted the critic and his wife's critique of the screenplay. When the mob bosses all meet, they discussed the bank robbery (from the prologue), and Lau says that the Joker got away with a reasonably small amount...well to them. $68 million, so if the Joker's been robbing banks for a year then he's accumulated himself quite a wealth.

How did harvey survive the car crash if maroni(i think thats his name) died in the crash.

Right after, Harvey flips the coin the second time for the driver, he subtly puts on his seat belt as Maroni is asking who the second flip was for. You can even hear it click. Not to say that the seat belt would have saved him for sure but it helps his chances and Maroni wasn't wearing one.

 

[Anita18]

i have a few

how could joker set up all thoses schemes with the bombs and things....and also how could he afford it?

How did no one notice the bombs on the ferrys before they left port

How did harvey survive the car crash if maroni(i think thats his name) died in the crash.

"I like dynamite, gunpowder, and gasoline! And you know what they have in common? They're cheap." t: Plus he had the cash from the bank heist in the opening.

You just sorta assume that Joker can do crazy things. People were in a hurry to use the ferries to get off the island, so it was assumed that they didn't carry out their usual checks. I don't man a ferry, so I obviously wouldn't know.

As I said, if a scene did not further the story or a character arc, it did not end up in the film. A film does not have to show you exactly how characters do things, that's not the point of storytelling.

 

[jimslimbo]

Joker thinks that far ahead. If anything he has a bunch of back up plans encase something fails. He knew he would HAVE to get his one phone call whether he forced it or was permitted. The Joker also gathered a lot of insane people from Arkham under the guise that he would help heal them (so says the fatman). The Joker also stole money to, as he put it, help buy his new suit. Money is not a problem with the Joker when he doesn't want it.

Nobody noticed the bombs because it is possible that Jokers goons were controlling the ferries. It is also possible that in the thick of all the chaos nobody noticed it.

Seatbelts are the key between life and death Also it isn't quite known if Maroni is dead. He could be paralyzed for all we know.

yea after a second veiwing i was wondering if joker used the money from the robberey to buy the bombs..and now i do remmeber he said that those things are cheap.thanks.

I also dont understand how harvey didnt reconize joker until he removed the mask in the hospital.You can cleary see his make up and he should have heard joker kill the security guard.

 

[thePan]

i have a few

how could joker set up all thoses schemes with the bombs and things....and also how could he afford it?

How did no one notice the bombs on the ferrys before they left port

How did harvey survive the car crash if maroni(i think thats his name) died in the crash.

Also, I thought a major theme was corruption. He had help from people inside the police department (for the Judge).

 

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

As I said, if a scene did not further the story or a character arc, it did not end up in the film. A film does not have to show you exactly how characters do things, that's not the point of storytelling.

DAMN RIGHT! Totally agreed my friend! t:

 

[thePan]

yea after a second veiwing i was wondering if joker used the money from the robberey to buy the bombs..and now i do remmeber he said that those things are cheap.thanks.

I also dont understand how harvey didnt reconize joker until he removed the mask in the hospital.You can cleary see his make up and he should have heard joker kill the security guard.

I think he was just really out of it... but I've only seen it once. That's what I thought.

 

[CaptainClown]

yea after a second veiwing i was wondering if joker used the money from the robberey to buy the bombs..and now i do remmeber he said that those things are cheap.thanks.

I also dont understand how harvey didnt reconize joker until he removed the mask in the hospital.You can cleary see his make up and he should have heard joker kill the security guard.

Harvey just heard his fiance killed in a fiery explosion, has his face burnt off and just simply exhausted from the Slaughter is the best medicine chase scene. The man was tired and not in the mood to really care about the world about him. Next his vision on his left eye is probably gone as well.

Guess Harvey also didn't get a DOUBLE take.

 

[Anita18]

I also dont understand how harvey didnt reconize joker until he removed the mask in the hospital.You can cleary see his make up and he should have heard joker kill the security guard.

I bet he recognized him, but it didn't register completely until he saw the scars and was like, "DIE DIE DIE!!"

 

[CaptainClown]

(smacks lips) Hi..

 

[starvingwriter]

He is totally, totally using a cane. He even does a little smug flippy-thing with it before he gets in the car.

Ah...must have not noticed it. Someone had mentioned it, wasn't paying too close attention to details.

 

[Kellys Heroes]

how does batman show up at the party to save rachel without any of joker's gang noticing him? i mean, joker talks to rachel, than Batman appears and punches him, but why didnt the goons shoot at him before he hit joker?

he is a ninja u know...

But yes, I have so many question abvout this movie that I just can't to begin. I know when my wife see this, see going to keep asking me "who did that happen", "who did he know that", and etc.... its not good when I have to keep explaining things in the middle of the movie because the movie isn't clear.

 

[Kellys Heroes]

As I said, if a scene did not further the story or a character arc, it did not end up in the film. A film does not have to show you exactly how characters do things, that's not the point of storytelling.

u don't have to show everything... but you also can't leave the veiwers w/ a bunch of "How did that happens" or "now, how did he know that"
I mean... theres dozens of questions from people who saw this movie for a reason.

 

[Anita18]

he is a ninja u know...

But yes, I have so many question abvout this movie that I just can't to begin. I know when my wife see this, see going to keep asking me "who did that happen", "who did he know that", and etc.... its not good when I have to keep explaining things in the middle of the movie because the movie isn't clear.

The film explains or shows you everything you need to know to understand the story. (I've only seen it twice, and look how many questions I can answer on these forums.) But it doesn't spoonfeed - if you aren't paying attention, you can miss a lot of things because they are shown or mentioned almost off-handedly.

Which is why you then have to see it again.

 

[bunk]

yea after a second veiwing i was wondering if joker used the money from the robberey to buy the bombs..and now i do remmeber he said that those things are cheap.thanks.

Hadn't he been stealing money for a while though? Maybe not.

 

[Anita18]

u don't have to show everything... but you also can't leave the veiwers w/ a bunch of "How did that happens" or "now, how did he know that"
I mean... theres dozens of questions from people who saw this movie for a reason.

Yes, but look at how many of those questions people are asking because they didn't pay enough attention or it just didn't register.

The cane, the text messages Batman sends Gordon, why did Bruce crash the Lambo, why Bruce does ballistics analysis, why is Bruce in the apartment, six or ten, etc etc etc.

Those are ALL answered in the film.

 

[Travesty]

Not really plot holes, but more like, "how did these happen".

-How did Joker leave Bruces apartment after Batman fell with Rachel?

-Did Gamble actually die, or did he just pass out? how can you die from a slit in your mouth?

-How did Joker get a knife to be able to escape the interrogation room?

 

[[A]]

He is totally, totally using a cane. He even does a little smug flippy-thing with it before he gets in the car.

You don't think Bruce has surveillance on the one elevator going up to his penthouse?

He probably also has surveillance at MCU, but the elevator surveillance makes the most sense.

It amazes how much people don't pay attention to movies these days..

 

[Anita18]

Not really plot holes, but more like, "how did these happen".

-How did Joker leave Bruces apartment after Batman fell with Rachel?

-Did Gamble actually die, or did he just pass out? how can you die from a slit in your mouth?

-How did Joker get a knife to be able to escape the interrogation room?

1. You assume he just left the same way he came in. As I've mentioned several times before, you don't have to see exactly how a character gets from point A to point B.

2. He probably died, since they don't show him getting up. You don't see Joker make a move with the knife, only a bodyguard's reaction shot and Gambol falling. It's possible he stabbed him through the back of the head.

3. It's a shard of glass, from where Batman threw him into the two-way mirror. Note how he's sitting under that exact spot. BTW, that's another VERY common question that people have. What Joker is holding up to the guy's throat later is shown to be a large shard of glass, (but as I said, you have to be paying attention) so you can easily make the deduction where it came from.