The Official Pyro/St. John Allerdyce Thread.

crazy4pyro said:
I live in NY... so that statement is technically true already :P



Well at least you warned me... now I know when I hear a chainsaw to hide my priceless belongings. :D


I swear... if there is ever a fire in my house (hopefully not caused by me *knocks on wood*) the first thing I'm saving is the Zippo XD

My little collection...

The first one I got was the horse to the side. It's the only lighter I "play" with. Yes, there is a dent... it's not my fault Brokeback Mountain was BORING. I need to get a plain silver zippo because when I do the trick you see Aaron doing in X2 in the food court as well as others... it hurts my fingers and breaks my nails.

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nice collection :)
 
I keep watching the Pyro sequence in X2 over and over again. It never gets old. :up:
 
Pyro in X3 was disappointing, but I tried to dismiss that one-dimensional quality by explaining his reasons in my head. Some scenes might've been deleted showing more of his true personality, but what was there... I don't think he really meant half of what he said. I thought he was just... honestly, part insane from the horror of what he did to himself. The horror of the world around him, too. I think he deadened his heart a lot over time, but mostly out of fear and hero worship and agony and the feeling that no one else would want him.

He didn't want to kill Xavier. No freaking way. That I took as pure bull****, regardless. Trying to impress Magneto (and it backfired.) He was telling himself he wanted to do it because he couldn't stand the pain, the shame, the guilt he would've had to feel otherwise, which he couldn't bear to show in front of anyone. And his comment about Bobby's family and girlfriend were more bitterness turning into hatred out of pain, isolation, and regret than mere taunts.

There were some cool moments, but they just didn't show any depth, and I think Aaron Stanford--though I adore his acting--didn't seem to be trying as hard this time around, or more likely it was his interaction with the director ("act like the comics!")/poor editing (even the best actor seems bad if you choose their flub-ups)/time constraints (not as much opportunity to bring out the best in your actors). He's good enough that he easily could've made much more out of even a weak set of lines, given the right set of circumstances. Look how much his expression as he gazes into the photograph at Bobby's house showed us. He didn't have to say a bloody word. I actually felt there was a moment like that in X3--the Mystique scene where he does this double take to Magneto, I could just HEAR his disbelief, like "he's... going to just leave her? When she's one of us? HFS, if he'd do that to someone he loved and respected, someone I was a bit in awe of, what would he do to a kid he barely knows?"--but the editing seemed to cut it WAY short so you didn't get the full effect. Damn Fox for this. I blame them because they are so typically arse. They are the safest culprit to pin it on.

Oh, and the brown hair was 900 times sexier, by the way.

Kevin Roegele said:
Anyone else think Pyro is way better in the movies than the comic?

Oh, lord, yes, man. Hell, yes. WAAAY more depth and intrigue. And as Ginny noted, he DID deserve more to do in X3. *crosses fingers for the DVD*

Emma718 said:
oo yeah that scene never gets old :)

It never does. Never, never does. In fact, I love--and rewatch--EVERY scene with him in it, but that's the most amazing and impactful scene of the entire film, in my opinion. Seriously. It's so... human... boy, that sounds ironic. I mean emotional and realistic. After what he saw happen, you can't blame him. You really can't. You feel so much sympathy for him. And it's awe-inspiring and horrifying all at once, as you see someone just... break... the dam just burst... wow. WOW.

I always think of Pyro when I hear these lyrics. It makes me think of how the friends he left behind would feel, especially since it fits with the theme of Magneto telling him he's a "god among insects". I could almost swear it was written for Pyro.

Blindside--"Thought Like Flames"
I hear you, so don't you say another word
Here you are, standing there crushing yourself
And I'm near you,
But my eyes see a different world
Now here you are, standing there breaking my heart as you're crushing yourself
Lately you've been painting on the walls with the black fire you lit
And you call it your mirror
And then you hate it
And then you spit on it

Sorry, you're not a god
Now every thought you feel within turning into flames
So hold your breath, cause all I can smell is ashes
Sorry, but you're not God

I hear you
But I can't recognize even a sentence as truth
Who lit that black flame in your heart?
And I'm near you,
But my words land far from your heart
You turn your back, and I don't know where to start
But lately you've been painting on the wall with the black fire you lit
And it's a lie and I hate it
Still, you think it's you
And you keep it
 
From the Zak Penn Q & A thread at Xverse:

Q: - Are we to assume that Pyro and Juggernaut are dead after Phoenix ashed everyone, or that they woke up from tehir bumps on the head and got away?

A:* Don't assume anything.

That's as good enough as alive for me. Of course I'd have rather have heard him say he escaped 100% but at least it wasn't: "yeah, he was ashed".
 
I agree, Wynne.

I much prefer the Pyro from X2 over X3. He had the whole scene to himself in X2 when he was wrecking havoc upon the cops and I didn't feel that any of the Pyro action scenes in X3 was as memorable as his eye-popping scene in X2.

And yes, his brown hair was so much hotter (please, excuse the ban pun).
 
FYI:

http://www.judahfriedlander.com/videos/lfod.htm

Live Free Or Die

Plot Outline: Lackluster criminals look to pull a job in the Granite State.

Aaron Stanford .... John "Rugged" Rudgate
Paul Schneider .... Lagrand
Michael Rapaport .... Putney
Kevin Dunn .... Monson
Zooey Deschanel .... Cheryl
Ebon Moss-Bachrach .... Gazaniga
Judah Friedlander .... Hesh
Peter Anthony Tambakis .... Marcus
R.E. Rodgers .... Oldfield
Kim Director .... Donna
Carlo Alban .... Todd Thomas


:up: Gotta love swearing :)
 
Oh Pyro..........................................Sorry, just had to say that!
 
Aaron:I know you ain't ******ed.

That other dude:**** no.

Haha:D Aaron's so badass in that video.I want to see that movie now.
 
crazy4pyro said:
FYI:

http://www.judahfriedlander.com/videos/lfod.htm

Live Free Or Die

Plot Outline: Lackluster criminals look to pull a job in the Granite State.

Aaron Stanford .... John "Rugged" Rudgate
Paul Schneider .... Lagrand
Michael Rapaport .... Putney
Kevin Dunn .... Monson
Zooey Deschanel .... Cheryl
Ebon Moss-Bachrach .... Gazaniga
Judah Friedlander .... Hesh
Peter Anthony Tambakis .... Marcus
R.E. Rodgers .... Oldfield
Kim Director .... Donna
Carlo Alban .... Todd Thomas


:up: Gotta love swearing :)

i saw the trailer like a month ago probably, been wanting to see this movie for awhile now. LOL Aaron's character is wicked in this movie:)
 
Pyro was dulled down and it saddens me. I understand that X3 is a massive movie and there are several cast, but how could you go from making Pyro this outspoken adolescent to a mere henchman? His powers advanced greatly and he got a cool costume, but where's the guy I fell in love with in the 2nd film? They took that away and made him Magneto's "biatch."

He had a couple cool lines, but for the most part, he was no longer the rebel without a cause, but the rebel restrained... I'd follow Magneto too, and I'm sure Pyro wasn't as leashed as the movie made him be, but the final cut edited so much out it's not fair.

I would have no problem sitting in the theatre for a 2.5hr. film so we could see what was shot. The DVD better be packed with a crapload of deleted scenes...
 
Pyro in x3 was well done imo.

That whole scene with iceman confronting him outside of the clinic was very good. In x2 it showed his desire to belong, and in x3 he belongs to the brotherhood. Although perhaps after x3 i wonder if hed rethink that choice. Magneto shifted his perspective about Xavier a bit, and he got beaten by Iceman because he didnt get trained as well as Xavier teaches.
 
Wynne said:
He didn't want to kill Xavier. No freaking way. That I took as pure bull****, regardless. Trying to impress Magneto (and it backfired.) He was telling himself he wanted to do it because he couldn't stand the pain, the shame, the guilt he would've had to feel otherwise, which he couldn't bear to show in front of anyone. And his comment about Bobby's family and girlfriend were more bitterness turning into hatred out of pain, isolation, and regret than mere taunts.
Agree 100%. I actually really liked that scene: it was clear Pyro was just posturing for Mags (maybe after seeing Mystique get the cold shoulder he was worried for himself) - when Mags shot him down he had this look on his face like 'o crap i didn't really mean it!'
 
I haven't seen these posted here yet... so enjoy! :)

The first one is probably photoshopped...

xmen3_newpromo_13.jpg
x_men_three_ver18.jpg
 

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