Age of Ultron The Official Quicksilver thread

[ThePowerCosmic]

McWeeny says he'll only be used in one action sequence. From the article

McWeeny might be making an assumption as well. Does he have his hands on a script or something?

 

[Tacit Ronin]

That article states that Singer designed a scene with Quicksilver's power in mind. Unless you can design a scene in less than a week or something that means Singer wanted to use him in his film for a long time; that it is not, after all, a reactionary phallic move by Fox. But of course I don't expect anybody to consider that. Fox is the villian; Marvel is the hero.

 

[samsnee]

I too have more faith in Whedon than Singer. The fact that Quicksilver might just be used for an action sequence and isn't really central to the story basically sums up all the problems I have with Singer's treatment of characters in his X-men movies.

 

[Ultimatehero]

I hope it's the same actor. I don't see why it would not be. Marvel wants the universe to be bigger in scope, it's not getting X-Men back any time soon as well as it being the most well known X-Men universe to the general public now. Plus, it becoming incorporated into the MU would greatly help Fox as well and be an added marketing tool for them. Neither of them stand to lose anything, they both stand to gain a lot. Also studios have worked together on projects in the past, this wouldn't be revolutionary.

 

[Chewy]

I hope it's the same actor. I don't see why it would not be. Marvel wants the universe to be bigger in scope, it's not getting X-Men back any time soon as well as it being the most well known X-Men universe to the general public now. Plus, becoming incorporated into the universe would greatly help Fox as well and be an added marketing tool for them. Neither of them stand to lose anything, but gain a lot.

Because big Hollywood studios do not play nice with each other.

 

[Chewy]

McWeeny might be making an assumption as well. Does he have his hands on a script or something?

How would I know? What's the point of even asking? You read the same article I did

 

[DarthSkywalker]

If this hurts Ronan as Wanda, I am going General Zod on this world.

 

[Rock Sexton]

I hope it's the same actor. I don't see why it would not be. Marvel wants the universe to be bigger in scope, it's not getting X-Men back any time soon as well as it being the most well known X-Men universe to the general public now. Plus, it becoming incorporated into the MU would greatly help Fox as well and be an added marketing tool for them. Neither of them stand to lose anything, they both stand to gain a lot. Also studios have worked together on projects in the past, this wouldn't be revolutionary.

They can't be the same character. Fox owns the rights to Quicksilver who's a "mutant" and Magneto is his father.

The MCU can make no references to this with theirs so his origins will change. All this does is make an audience member (non-comic fan) who sees this wonder what the hell is going on, especially if the same actor was cast - which it won't be if he's still going to be in A2.

This is FOX trying to grab some shine glistening off the MCU right now due to grey area rights of the character. Immature move and ironically it's not like most of the GA has any idea who Quicksilver is in the first place.

 

[Ultimatehero]

Because big Hollywood studios do not play nice with each other.

Sometimes. Not all the time. The masses have a grander view of struggles within than there really are. I'd say, from working within Warners for some time (I'm at a different place now), that the one thing the VP and execs always stressed is it isn't as against-each-other as people seem to think. Just like fanboys wanting to say "MARVEL vs. DC" and yet you have a MARVEL and DC VPs out enjoying themselves on a golf course and special issues where MARVEL characters meet DC characters. It's more in the mind than in actuality. Not saying there aren't fights that spring up, but they happen a lot less than people seem to think - and that isn't me talking, that's what the VP told us during an instructional class type set-up.

Most obvious example of this can be seen all over 'Who Framed Roger Rabbit.'

 

[Shikamaru]

Because big Hollywood studios do not play nice with each other.

This is essentially the reason. Plus, Fox is way too stubborn for there to be a good relationship between them and Marvel.

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

How would I know? What's the point of even asking? You read the same article I did

Okay. Just saying it could very well be an assumption on his part. I'll leave it at that.

 

[Rock Sexton]

Sometimes. Not all the time. The masses have a grander view of struggles within than there really are. I'd say, from working within Warners for some time (I'm at a different place now), that the one thing the VP and execs always stressed is it isn't as against-each-other as people seem to think. Just like fanboys wanting to say "MARVEL vs. DC" and yet you have a MARVEL and DC VPs out enjoying themselves on a golf course and special issues where MARVEL characters meet DC characters. It's more in the mind than in actuality. Not saying there aren't fights that spring up, but they happen a lot less than people seem to think - and that isn't me talking, that's what the VP told us during an instructional class type set-up.

Ohhhhhh an insider from Warner Brothers.

LOL .... give me a break.

 

[Ultimatehero]

Ohhhhhh an insider from Warner Brothers.

LOL .... give me a break.

I was prepared for that and hey, I don't care anymore what people's views on me are. I just thought I'd clarify studio workings from what a VP said. Believe me or not, I don't give a hell.

 

[Chewy]

If this hurts Ronan as Wanda, I am going General Zod on this world.

I know right?

I really don't care much about what happens to the Quicksilvers in all of this, lol, but don't mess around with Wanda

 

[Rock Sexton]

I was prepared for that and hey, I don't care anymore what people's views on me are. I just thought I'd clarify studio workings from what a VP said. Believe me or not, I don't give a ****.

Yeah except you're missing the part where major studios do not want to share profits with other major studios when they've proven to be able to bring them in on their own.

In this particularly case they're both allowed to use a certain characte, but inevitably creates a situation where he'll have two different origins (hence no share universe).

 

[Ultimatehero]

That's beyond easy to go around. Don't explain how they got their powers - I doubt they both need to go into Magneto being the father and mutancy. You can have Quicksilver just as Quicksilver without ever bringing up Magneto or that he's a mutant. Basically they both have certain lines and certain barriers which can easily be maneuvered around.

Main point is - studio rivalry doesn't exist. It's there sometimes, but it isn't as hyped up as people think. It's just like MARVEL and DC aren't really enemies. If they want it to be the same cast member, then it can be the same cast member and it can also be that way while maintaining to said divisions in place.

 

[Rock Sexton]

That's beyond easy to go around. Don't explain how they got their powers - I doubt they both need to go into Magneto being the father and mutancy. You can have Quicksilver just as Quicksilver without ever bringing up Magneto or that he's a mutant. Basically they both have certain lines and certain barriers which can easily be maneuvered around.

What part of the MCU have you missed in regards to superheros and their powers?

I'm not even talking about studio rivalries. This is about money chief. Disney/Marvel are not in the business of sharing profits with some other studio. They make plenty on their own. Common sense.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

The Witch and her brother are "magic" but are they really? Easy.

 

[Ultimatehero]

? Unsure where that's coming from exactly ? Just because the other heroes have their origin stories doesn't mean that needs to be the case here.

And it's not like Disney just recently became a mega-empire, it always has been.

There was never any problem with incorporating Warner cartoons and they weren't really needed since Disney's the king of animation.

 

[Frodo]

I'm sure Singer probably wanted to use the character back in the day, though he's been off making other films since 2003, and Fox has had the character this whole time ,and didn't touch him with a 10ft pole.

I do tend to think Fox is sort of reacting to the fact that Disney is using the character . Fox had a right to use the character as much as Disney so I can't say its unfair. I think Disney's move showed them that they have this interesting character that they could have exploited years ago and is about to be exploited because they didn't use him. Now they're taking the chance to introduce the character first.

That said , I am interested in seeing how this whole complicated legal love triangle works itself of out. Will we get two versions of Quicksilver ? Will Whedon rework the script? Will Disney and Fox come to some compromise and have the same actor be in both films?

 

[Rock Sexton]

Oh here we go .... the holy grail of this argument.

Except pretty much every toon in Who Framed Roger Rabbit had years worth of history behind them, which made it much easier to use in the movie given the context.

 

[Ultimatehero]

Oh here we go .... the holy grail of this argument.

Except pretty much every toon in Who Framed Roger Rabbit had years worth of history behind them.

And the X-Men has years of history behind them, not just the films - but the comics universe too. And the mass audience knows this. The audience knows X-Men is MARVEL just like the AVENGERS. So how is it that different? It's just comic history instead of cartoon history. Or is cartoon history more important somehow?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Are we really discussing how you do Wanda and Pietro without a big emphasis on their origins? Extraordinary people existing in the MCU is firmly established.

 

[Shikamaru]

And the X-Men has years of history behind them, not just the films - but the comics universe too. And the mass audience knows this. The audience knows X-Men is MARVEL just like the AVENGERS. So how is it that different? It's just comic history instead of cartoon history. Or is cartoon history more important somehow?

Your entire argument is based on the assumption that Fox is smart and rational enough to try to negotiate some sort of crossover. Which they're not, at least for the moment. They're way too stubborn to crossover with Marvel.

Plus, why would you even want Fox's X-Men franchise in the MCU at this point? They first need to fix up all of their continuity errors before they can do that.

 

[Rock Sexton]

And the X-Men has years of history behind them, not just the films - but the comics universe too. And the mass audience knows this. The audience knows X-Men is MARVEL just like the AVENGERS. So how is it that different? It's just comic history instead of cartoon history. Or is cartoon history more important somehow?

The X-Men's rights were divied up to another film studio which explicitly state they cannot be represented in another studio's film ..... that OTHER studio by the way has proven it can make billions on it's own.

Those cartoon characters were never divied up that way with that process in mind. It was one giant advertisement for almost all cartoons.