The Official Rogue/Anna X3 Thread

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I always thought Rogue was hot in the X-men films.

They simply dropped the ball in X3 when it was Rogue's time to shine and evolve.

The only logical outcome was for Rogue to go to Alcatraz and help stop Jean. That would've been more organic than Logan stopping her.

It was appalling that Rogue went through with the cure and the filmmakers and screenwriters justified that it would've sucked for her without it. APPALLING.
I disagree. To me, it wouldn't have made sense if she didn't take the cure. She's a young woman, living with the fact that she can never touch anyone she loves (romantically or otherwise) or she may kill them. What a horrible curse! Would you want to live with that? If there were a way to cure it, wouldn't you? I would.
 
She looks incredibly hot in True Blood, too bad they never showed that side of Anna as Rogue.
 
I disagree. To me, it wouldn't have made sense if she didn't take the cure. She's a young woman, living with the fact that she can never touch anyone she loves (romantically or otherwise) or she may kill them. What a horrible curse! Would you want to live with that? If there were a way to cure it, wouldn't you? I would.

Katie girl09:

1. What you are talking about is essentially what was the Rogue character for many years.

2. When faced with the opportunity to get a cure in the comics, Rogue refused it because the technology was dangerous.

3. The cure itself is a symbol of oppression

4. The cure itself was implied by the epilogue to possibly be temporary. Meaning its just a quick fix. Its not a true cure. Hence the flaw in the logic of your poor argument

5. The outcome went against all the buildup for the character in the movies and years in the comics. It went against everything. If Rogue truly loved and cared about her friends, she would've gone to Alcatraz herself.

6. What was purely wrong about her taking the cure is that Rogue did it for her own pure selfish needs. That's NOT what Rogue or the X-men are about.
 
^ I totally agree.

Rogue taking the cure makes her not an X-men. Having one of their members taking the cure makes it as if the X-men are endorsing the cure. It totally legitimizes that this cure is a good thing, and not a threat or symbol of oppression. Not only does this go against Rogue's character, but it goes against the X-men in general.

What would have been great is to see Rogue seriously considering taking the cure, but than understanding what an insult it is too her friends, the X-men, and mutantkind. Bobby should not be happy that Rogue sold herself in to be like everyone else.
 
Katie girl09:

1. What you are talking about is essentially what was the Rogue character for many years.

2. When faced with the opportunity to get a cure in the comics, Rogue refused it because the technology was dangerous.

3. The cure itself is a symbol of oppression

4. The cure itself was implied by the epilogue to possibly be temporary. Meaning its just a quick fix. Its not a true cure. Hence the flaw in the logic of your poor argument

5. The outcome went against all the buildup for the character in the movies and years in the comics. It went against everything. If Rogue truly loved and cared about her friends, she would've gone to Alcatraz herself.

6. What was purely wrong about her taking the cure is that Rogue did it for her own pure selfish needs. That's NOT what Rogue or the X-men are about.
1. ???

2. Yes, because it was dangerous. If it hadn't been and she had taken it, it would have made sense.

3. For some mutants, maybe. Namely the ones that do not want to take it and whose powers do not affect their ability to live an average life. But Rogue cannot even touch people! That is torturous. Taking the cure is not oppression if she wants to take it and it will free her from being a prisoner within her own body.

4. "My poor judgement"? Hello! We are taking this a little too seriously, aren't we? What is the need for a personal attack on my judgement? :huh:
And anyway, the fact is that it was supposed to be permanent. She thought it was permanent, or else why on earth would she have taken it? So your point about it not being permanent is moot, really.

5. It doesn't go against Rogue's build-up at all. She is a scared teenage girl who was jolted out of her life by a tragic event in these movies. Your error is in assuming that this version of Rogue is the comic book one. She is not. This is a different take on the X-men. Shouldn't everyone know that by now?

6. Oh, okay. Yes, that selfish cow, wanting to be able to touch those that she loves and live like a normal human being is supposed to. :whatever: Its easy to call her selfish when you know that you will probably never have to experience something like that.
 

The whole idea of not being able to touch or be close to her lovers or loved ones. That pain is an essential part of the Rogue character. Getting a cure of this ailment is something Rogue faced before and she refused it.

2. Yes, because it was dangerous. If it hadn't been and she had taken it, it would have made sense.

Uh the cure itself is dangerous because humans want to use it to oppress other people and control mutants. That in itself is WRONG. Its like trying to cure your gayness or trying to cure you from being black because the majority is white. Its not just about the not touching thing its about BEING WHO YOU ARE!

3. For some mutants, maybe. Namely the ones that do not want to take it and whose powers do not affect their ability to live an average life. But Rogue cannot even touch people! That is torturous. Taking the cure is not oppression if she wants to take it and it will free her from being a prisoner within her own body.

Again this is the point of the character. Here is what you are too closed minded and refusing to see probably because you supported this turkey in 2006.

Let's say Rogue didn't take the cure. Let's say she goes to Alcatraz, and using her powers she is able to stop or at least temporarily help stop Jean. What you are in denial about is that Rogue's powers can actually be used to save people. She can use her powers to save lives instead of wallowing in her own selfish depression of what she can't do.

A person that can't walk or has a handicap can still live a productive life. You can still be an important person and you can still live your life without having something your normally thought you could always do.

It its NOT a part of Rogue's character to allow this to happen to herself. Does she consider these things? Yes. Does she feel conflicted about them? VERY YES! But she never succumbs to these urges, this is the part of the purity of Rogue's character.

When writing X-men 2, David Hayter wanted Wolverine to have sex with Mystique disguised as Jean. Dougherty and Harris wrote that out because they thought it was ridiculous for Wolverine to have sex with a substitute. And that was a more effective move. Seeing Logan confronted with his personal sexual fantasies and desires and being allowed to fulfill them, but Logan rejected it. Logan refused a A FALSE fulfillment. It was much more powerful when Logan shoved Mystique off even after she took the form of Rogue, and he told her to get out. That was Wolverine to a T.

4. "My poor judgement"? Hello! We are taking this a little too seriously, aren't we? What is the need for a personal attack on my judgement? :huh:
And anyway, the fact is that it was supposed to be permanent. She thought it was permanent, or else why on earth would she have taken it? So your point about it not being permanent is moot, really.

Your argument itself is poor and overlooks the fact that in the epilogue in the movie they leave the cure open ended by saying, OH MAYBE MAGNETO CAN GET HIS POWERS BACK! Doing such a thing as well as "curing" Rogue and saying it was OK so life wouldn't suck for her is emotionally irresponsible.

5. It doesn't go against Rogue's build-up at all. She is a scared teenage girl who was jolted out of her life by a tragic event in these movies. Your error is in assuming that this version of Rogue is the comic book one. She is not. This is a different take on the X-men. Shouldn't everyone know that by now?

The character itself was truthful to the basis of Rogue. X-men 3 ruined that. She was a teenager when this happened to her in the comics. All those things above were true of the comics incarnation as well. Yes this was a different take, but its all part of why X-men 3 was such a blatant misstep that ruined the franchise, they did so much screwed up ****.

Its a different take, but X-men 2 still effectively said that Jean would NOT take Wolverine over Cyclops. That's true to those characters. Jean loves Scott and wants to be with him. That simple. X-men 3 went back on that and ruined it.

6. Oh, okay. Yes, that selfish cow, wanting to be able to touch those that she loves and live like a normal human being is supposed to. :whatever: Its easy to call her selfish when you know that you will probably never have to experience something like that.

We aren't talking about myself. We are talking about Rogue. Essentially in the movie, Bobby is being an ass and cozying up with Kitty even though Rogue is his "girlfriend." Rogue takes the cure, a cure that might not even be permanent, so she can touch her immature teenage boyfriend. That's the epitome of selfishness. Teenagers are selfish creatures that require immediate gratification. They don't want to take responsibility for their actions and they take sexuality lightly. Rogue was part of a greater cause, instead she chose to reinforce racism and oppression for her own selfish needs.

Does a person like Beast not suffer as well? Beast can touch people, but look at him? He sheds fur and he no longer looks like a normal human. Beast didn't stab himself with the cure so he could look like a normal person again. Nightcrawler has a forked tail. He was tortured and brainwashed by Stryker. And yet he is still one of the kindest and most gentle people alive. Did Nightcrawler not suffer as well? Why not give Nightcrawler the cure so he can live a normal life as well.
 
Your opinions are not right just because they are yours, you know. :whatever:
And the point is that Rogue WANTS to be able to touch people. She WANTS to be able to live a normal life. That is why taking the cure is not opressive for her. Would you say that someone who can fix their deafness/blindness should remain deaf/blind even if they want those respective senses back just so that they can "be who they are"? It makes absolutely no sense. And you don't seem to want to get over the fact that Rogue from the movies IS NOT Rogue from the comic books.
 
Your opinions are not right just because they are yours, you know. :whatever:
And the point is that Rogue WANTS to be able to touch people. She WANTS to be able to live a normal life. That is why taking the cure is not opressive for her. Would you say that someone who can fix their deafness/blindness should remain deaf/blind even if they want those respective senses back just so that they can "be who they are"? It makes absolutely no sense. And you don't seem to want to get over the fact that Rogue from the movies IS NOT Rogue from the comic books.

So does Spider-man. What's your point? Being a hero is about making sacrifices, even if being a hero wasn't what you originally wanted in the first place.
 
So does Spider-man. What's your point? Being a hero is about making sacrifices, even if being a hero wasn't what you originally wanted in the first place.
The point is that Spiderman can live at least a somewhat normal existence when he is being Peter Parker. Can Rogue take off a costume and be Marie who can touch people again? No. So what is your point?
But it doesn't matter what I say because you will never listen anyway.
 
The point is that Spiderman can live at least a somewhat normal existence when he is being Peter Parker. Can Rogue take off a costume and be Marie who can touch people again? No. So what is your point?
But it doesn't matter what I say because you will never listen anyway.

Obviously you don't read much Spider-man.

Daredevil can't see again, but he can still live his life. That's the problem, you are only seeing Rogue's powers as a curse. The point is to see the positives of Rogue's powers and the good they can do. The movie REFUSED to do this.

In the second movie, Rogue was able to use her powers to stop Pyro from killing police officers. That's FREAKING IMPORTANT!
 
I find it so funny when people tear apart X3 but excuse Singer when he made so many of the same mistakes. IMO Rogue sucked in X1, X2, and X3. People praise the realism in the X-Men films, well guess what in the real world there are people who would take a cure for many things they would like to change about themselves if it was offered, look at plastic surgery for starters, In all three X-films Rogue was wanting to touch people and when the opportunity came she took it. I would probably have been more upset about this if she had actually been used to her full potential in the previous X-films but she wasn't.
 
Obviously you don't read much Spider-man.

Daredevil can't see again, but he can still live his life. That's the problem, you are only seeing Rogue's powers as a curse. The point is to see the positives of Rogue's powers and the good they can do. The movie REFUSED to do this.

In the second movie, Rogue was able to use her powers to stop Pyro from killing police officers. That's FREAKING IMPORTANT!
No I do not read much Spiderman. He is not necessarily my favourite superhero. But unless the writers have drastically changed something, Spiderman can live a somewhat normal existence with a few exceptions when he is being Peter Parker, much like other masked superheroes.

I am not arguing that there is no good to Rogue's power. I never argued that. I am merely pointing out that people who condemn her decision generally refuse to see the horrible parts of her powers as well:

*She can't touch anyone that she loves
*As such, she will probably never be able to get married and even if she does get married, she will never have a normal marriage (which she will probably long for)
*She might not even be able to have children (will they die in the womb from prolonged physical contact?)
*Even if she can somehow find a way to have children, she might not even be able to touch them.

Blindness can be devastating, but you can be blind and still live a typical life in every other respect. It isn't going to have the same effect as not even being able to touch anyone without harming them.
 
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I find it so funny when people tear apart X3 but excuse Singer when he made so many of the same mistakes. IMO Rogue sucked in X1, X2, and X3. People praise the realism in the X-Men films, well guess what in the real world there are people who would take a cure for many things they would like to change about themselves if it was offered, look at plastic surgery for starters, In all three X-films Rogue was wanting to touch people and when the opportunity came she took it. I would probably have been more upset about this if she had actually been used to her full potential in the previous X-films but she wasn't.

Great post.
People are condemning Ratner, while it was Singer that laid the foundation for what a lot of people complain about in X3.

1. Lame Rogue
2. Too much Wolverine
3. Cyclops given the shaft
4. Not enough characterization for guys like Colossus

etc...
 
Im sure Singer would have done a better job with Rogue in X3... the same with Colossus, at least two lines of dialogue, hehe.
 
Don't worry, she'll be single again sooner or later. It always happens ;) .
 
Don't worry, she'll be single again sooner or later. It always happens ;) .
Is it rude that this is what I thought as soon as I heard that they were engaged?

And yeah, he is WAY too old for her. He already has two kids for goodness sakes. But whatever. Whatever makes 'em happy.
 
I find it so funny when people tear apart X3 but excuse Singer when he made so many of the same mistakes. IMO Rogue sucked in X1, X2, and X3. People praise the realism in the X-Men films, well guess what in the real world there are people who would take a cure for many things they would like to change about themselves if it was offered, look at plastic surgery for starters, In all three X-films Rogue was wanting to touch people and when the opportunity came she took it. I would probably have been more upset about this if she had actually been used to her full potential in the previous X-films but she wasn't.

This may sound dumb, but doesn't the girl wear gloves? You can't touch someone the same way, but at least you're touching them.

Great post.
People are condemning Ratner, while it was Singer that laid the foundation for what a lot of people complain about in X3.

1. Lame Rogue
2. Too much Wolverine
3. Cyclops given the shaft
4. Not enough characterization for guys like Colossus

etc...


Hey, new guy here :yay:

I don't know about those, but I'll give you Rogue. This girl should've been Jubilee. I stick to the cartoons and Wolverine was like the father figure to Jubilee, not Rogue. I always wanted someone else to play Rogue, like Angelina Jolie or soemthing like that. I figured she'd finally fight in X3, but no.

Cyclops dying was all FOX & Ratner. Singer was planning for X3 to be Cyclops' coming out party. He was finally going to be a main piece.

IMO, Wolverine wasn't really shoved down our throats until X3. I actually loved X2. X1 didn't have enough fighting scenes. It was very bland. I would've liked to at least all the X-Men fight Magneto at once. Magneto is alot more powerful than the movies show him as.

As for Colossus, I was praying for him to fight Juggernaut. I would've loved to seen that, but we'll never know now.
 
Welcome to the Hype, King of Hearts! :)

Angelina for Rogue? No way, Jose! Not for me.

And I thought Singer gave Wolverine way too much attention. And even though I don't really like Cyclops, he should have gotten more screentime.
 
Singer was planning for X3 to be Cyclops' coming out party. He was finally going to be a main piece.

if Singer had such great plans for the project, he shouldn't of left it...
so, at the end of the day, any complaints about 3 should be directed at him

Ratner gets a lot of crap about the movie, but, really he did the best he could with what he had to work with
he came to the project last minute, with the script, storyline, and most the cast already in place

from anything I hear of things he did manage to change or add, were all things for the better

(not to get to far off topic)
 
Welcome to the Hype, King of Hearts! :)

Angelina for Rogue? No way, Jose! Not for me.

And I thought Singer gave Wolverine way too much attention. And even though I don't really like Cyclops, he should have gotten more screentime.


Thanks!

I didn't really notice until X3. He was ok in X1, X2 was about Wolverine, but not by a lot. Idk, I guess I didn't notice it that much until the third movie.

Who would've you casted as Rogue?

if Singer had such great plans for the project, he shouldn't of left it...
so, at the end of the day, any complaints about 3 should be directed at him

Ratner gets a lot of crap about the movie, but, really he did the best he could with what he had to work with
he came to the project last minute, with the script, storyline, and most the cast already in place

from anything I hear of things he did manage to change or add, were all things for the better

(not to get to far off topic)


From what I heard online, FOX didn't want to wait for Singer to finish Superman so he put Ratner on the job. Singer had BIG plans for the franchise. He already had ideas for X3 & X4! FOX lucked out. Cyclops was gonna be the guy to kill Jean Grey, not Wolverine.
 
what did Singer except for them to say, when he's all like, "I am going to go do superman returns, if you can just wait a year to two before going ahead with x3, that would be great"
 
Thanks!

I didn't really notice until X3. He was ok in X1, X2 was about Wolverine, but not by a lot. Idk, I guess I didn't notice it that much until the third movie.

Who would've you casted as Rogue?



From what I heard online, FOX didn't want to wait for Singer to finish Superman so he put Ratner on the job. Singer had BIG plans for the franchise. He already had ideas for X3 & X4! FOX lucked out. Cyclops was gonna be the guy to kill Jean Grey, not Wolverine.

I do not know who I would of had for Rogue, but it be better then Anna Paquin.
 
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