Comics The Official ROGUE Discussion Thread

[Canemacar]

You realize she is only like this based on the writer? (esp Milligan and Claremont). Rogue is not always like this and hasn't been once since Carey took over.

She's been like that for almost the entirety of her existence as a comic character. A single writer's run thats lasted a year can't overturn 25 years of character behavior, including the writings of the guy who *created* her.

 

[spark627]

Um, she hasn't been like that since day one, I have been reading X-Men for 10 years and her sadness is one part of her personality, just like every other character. The man who *created* her took her out of the despressed state only to bring her back to in X-Treme (which I hated).

 

[Canemacar]

She acted like a brat for most of the 80's and her powers (and the thing with Ms. Marvel) was made out to be the cause of all her problems. Then, in the 90's she was angsting nonstop about her powers for the majority of the decade, there was Xtreme, then how Austen and Milligan. Carey hasn't done that because he's busy trying to show Rogue in the best possible light, as you can see by the fact she leads a team with people in it far more qualified and skilled at the job than she.

 

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Carey hasn't done that because he's busy trying to show Rogue in the best possible light, as you can see by the fact she leads a team with people in it far more qualified and skilled at the job than she.

Couldn't have summed it up better, really.

It's not so much a *good* or *better* light as a Rogue fan's OOC wet dream, really. *shrugs*

But, hey, Carey might set the record straight with that "bad year" ahead.

50/50 odds she'll react poorly - AKA in-character emotionally unstable borderline insane - to whatever's thrown her way or will appear as the righteous victim of fate. Or something.

Wouldn't mind a combination of the two, but good God I hope it's not the later.

 

[Havok83]

She acted like a brat for most of the 80's and her powers (and the thing with Ms. Marvel) was made out to be the cause of all her problems. Then, in the 90's she was angsting nonstop about her powers for the majority of the decade, there was Xtreme, then how Austen and Milligan. Carey hasn't done that because he's busy trying to show Rogue in the best possible light, as you can see by the fact she leads a team with people in it far more qualified and skilled at the job than she.

and whats wrong with that? Its called character development and evolution. Rogue is moving past all that crap. Carey is showing a more mature and confident Rogue who has grown. Why should she forever be angst ridden and bratty? I glad someone has realized that there are more layers to Rogue and isnt simply taking the easy route with her by falling back on the typical routine with her and her powers

 

[Canemacar]

and whats wrong with that? Its called character development and evolution. Rogue is moving past all that crap. Carey is showing a more mature and confident Rogue who has grown. Why should she forever be angst ridden and bratty? I glad someone has realized that there are more layers to Rogue and isnt simply taking the easy route with her by falling back on the typical routine with her and her powers

Had he shown her gradually coming to terms with things and drawing inner strength from that in order to act like the badass she is right now, I'd agree. But as it stands, she went from complete wimp to uber-badass overnight and with no real explanation.

 

[spark627]

I'm not sure how you could say Rogue was a whimp. Being insecure with yourself and powers is not the same as being a whimp. Rogue has always been strong in a fight.

 

[Havok83]

I'm not sure how you could say Rogue was a whimp. Being insecure with yourself and powers is not the same as being a whimp. Rogue has always been strong in a fight.

IA with that. Rogue is probably one of the toughest X-women and always has been. She gets vulnerable when it comes to her personal life and thats been due to her inability to touch. But aside from that, she's a strong X-man, who puts herself forward and is full of courage. Nope, no wimp here

 

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Had he shown her gradually coming to terms with things and drawing inner strength from that in order to act like the badass she is right now, I'd agree.But as it stands, she went from complete wimp to uber-badass overnight and with no real explanation.

Just like I said, a fan's wet dream popping out of f****n nowhere. t:

And regarding the wimp thingy, for crying out loud, folks, pre-Carey Rogue kinda qualifies when compared to his take on the character.

 

[emmymae]

You know what I'm referring to. You being the former Mrs. Lebeau and all.

Lol. I couldn't resist saying I was Belladonna. I look just like her.

I agree totally with Spark and Havok. Rogue is tougher than I'll ever be, although she is fictitious. I was looking through a TPB of women in Marvel comics and I happened upon an issue from the 80's in which Rogue was complaining about Ms. Marvel taking over her mind and her team members liking Carol over her. Storm says to her that it was her idea to absorb Ms. Marvel. And Rogue says she didn't mean to. I mention this because I think Rogue has matured and gotten more confident over the years. It seems at first that she blamed others somewhat for her problems, which is something I can somewhat relate to. We've all done that once or twice.

I think it took Rogue a while to understand that someone could love her despite her power, and that she could have real friends. Her parents weren't there for her and Mystique though she loves her has used her and tried to kill her. Rogue has had some very good reasons to be apprehensive about trusting people. That has colored many of her relationships, especially with Gambit because he has a past that is perhaps more questionable than hers. But then again, she was once a bad girl and that is one reason she can understand him better than anyone else. I think intimacy scares the both of them for what they could risk: she hurting him with her power and him hurting her with who he is and what he has done.

Rogue is obviously qualified to lead or Cyclops wouldn't have given her the position. There has got to be a woman leader other than Storm.

But people are going to have differing opinions no matter what.

 

[Canemacar]

I've always thought Jean should get more focus as a leader. She's an administrator at the mansion, but with her telepathy, I think she'd be a good field leader too.

 

[Havok83]

yeah me too but they never really let her spread out. I felt that Morrison was moving in that direction by making her a more important person in the school but then he went and killed her off and Emma has stepped into Jean's role


Aside from Scott and Ororo, Archangel was probably my favorite leader. I liked that in recent years, they've let others step up to the plate and it isnt something thats exclusively held by those two

 

[Canemacar]

Hmm. I've never seen Angel as an actual leader. He would make a good "Bosley" (from Charlie's Angels) type character though.

 

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Hmm. I've never seen Angel as an actual leader. He would make a good "Bosley" (from Charlie's Angels) type character though.

Totally.

 

[Canemacar]

I don't like it when they try and make everyone a leader; it begins to reek of "too many chefs spoiled the meal" and makes the job less important when it should be a monumental thing (they are effectively leading their only family into battle after all). Of all the people that have had a shot at the job, only Cyke, Storm, Nightcrawler, and to a lesser extent Xavier are actual leaders IMO.

 

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Of all the people that have had a shot at the job, only Cyke, Storm, Nightcrawler, and to a lesser extent Xavier are actual leaders IMO.

Good call.

Old school harda$$es usually are better suited for such jobs. t:

 

[Jennifer Walters]

Here we go again....so it's not cool for them to try new leaders? Storm isn't really an X-Man anymore, Wolverine sure as hell shouldn't be leading anything.

If Marvel wants to try out new X-Leaders I say more power to them. Just as long as they make sense and in my opinion, Rogue makes sense..

You'd think they had made Emma Frost or Jubilee the leader of a team or something.

 

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Actually, our point was that it was rather *sudden*.

If they'd properly set it up for *YEARS*, then we wouldn't be rolling our eyes at the whole thing.

 

[Canemacar]

If Marvel wants to try out new X-Leaders I say more power to them. Just as long as they make sense and in my opinion, Rogue makes sense..

Immature, emotional, brash, unstable, reactionary, people who don't think situations through do *not* make sense as leaders, fanboy writers be damned.

 

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Funny how Can has a better understanding/grasp of the character than her hardcore fans. t:

 

[@JeanGrey]

You'd think they had made Emma Frost or Jubilee the leader of a team or something.

One word
Nightmare

 

[spark627]

Funny how Can has a better understanding/grasp of the character than her hardcore fans. t:

In your opinion. I think he couldn't be more wrong.

 

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Oh, come on, Rogue is SOOOO emotionaly unstable and brash.

 

[spark627]

You are in a thread for Rogue fans trying to convince us how horrible she is... do really think you are going to change anyones mind? Why not make your own thread instead of disrupting this one?

 

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

One word
Nightmare

Bah, can Generation X be used as a reference to *anything* that's even close to good/PWN/ROXOR??? t: