Comics The Official ROGUE Discussion Thread

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

I love the whole Kevin Costner & Whitney Houston "Bodyguard" thing
you guys have going. It really shows how great you guys mesh together

You did *NOT* just compare either of us to Whitney. t:

No way will we *ever* be that crazy. I mean, Bobby Brown???!!!!

 

[Rogue's Hand]

Hmm. I always figured we were an Abbott and Costello duo.

Wow, if so, you're more like Northstar & Bobby:heart:

 

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Wow, if so, you're more like Northstar & Bobby:heart:

Nah, neither of us go on 'I'M NOT GAY!!!' tantrums/rant every 10 seconds, so there wouldn't be any Bobby even if we actually did play for that team. t:

 

[Canemacar]

Wow, if so, you're more like Northstar & Bobby:heart:

Calling people gay as a jab is just pathetic. You just lost a lot of points in my book.

 

[Rogue's Hand]

Calling people gay as a jab is just pathetic. You just lost a lot of points in my book.

and your book matters to me because?
It was a joke and if it wasn't you should be great at stomaching it.

P.S. being called gay isn't an insult if it's made on a message board.
P.P.S. You called me a "drug addict" with ur shrooms joke.
But let me stop before you start your sob stories like your dear Gambit.
Wouldn't want that now would we, LMAO.

 

[bns]

1: The writer bias and all that is far from hooey. If you'll look at what has been going on after setting aside your own bias, you'll see that the technical aspects of his writing has left some things to be desired. Thats not bashing a creator; thats pointing out flaws; something all writers have.

It's caca. If you are saying that Carey has a hard-on for Rogue so much that he made her into a brand new character, forgot her history and made her story so important the other characters get no time to shine, then yeah it's hooey. NONE of that has happened. In all of Carye's current run she has only really been special in #188 in one scene. Making her a leader really didn't do anything to make her better or more deserving, it was done of necessity and to tell a tale about a new kind of X-Men squad. God forbid Carey do something new. But she was sidelined for quite a few issues.

Carey has given Iceman/Cable and Lady MM some terrific storylines and one liners. He focused on his new villians such as Serefina and Pan. Heck Rogue was completely MIA in #197 & 198. She will be sidelined again for Iceman and Cannonball. Carey has given a fair and even account in X-Men. A common point that many fans have stated is Carey's ability to fairly juggle the cast and show that it takes a "team" working together to beat villains, no one mutant can do it alone.

YES, Carey likes Rogue, Beast, Northstar and Cyclops best, but so what. He has not done anything to make them better than anyone else. In fact, I have been most impressed with his Regan and adored the small part that Aurora had. I am also looking forward to the next issues with Bobby & Sam sans Rogue.

Now you and Darth say Carey is biased and even though really strong arguments have been presented to the contrary, you both refuse to bend. Whose biased exactly? If you and Darth are the only ones who see this, perhaps it's just not there.

2: Not sour grapes; I dislike a wide range of characters for the same reason. Jean, Kitty, Storm, and modern Wolverine for examples. I'm even starting to find Spidey tiresome since the comics with him seem to be little more than Marvel going "Ok. What can we do next to screw him over so that people will sympathize with Pete?". Rogue's not a special case by any means.

That's too bad. I like all the above.

 

[Canemacar]

and your book matters to me because?

I didn't say you should care. I just said that I lost a lot of respect for you as a person instead of as a comic fan. Any person in their right mind should care if their behavior is causing the people around them to lose respect for who they are instead of just their favorite character or something else as meaningless.

It was a joke and if it wasn't you should be great at stomaching it.

Some jokes are just in bad taste. That was one of them.

P.S. being called gay isn't an insult if it's made on a message board.

An insult is an insult where ever it's made.

P.P.S. You called me a "drug addict" with ur shrooms joke.

I also called myself an alcoholic, an imbecile, and a bum on more than one occasion.

But let me stop before you start your sob stories like your dear Gambit. Wouldn't want that now would we, LMAO.

A Rogue fan accusing a Gambit fan of spinning sob stories? Pretty ironic considering the characters involved. t:

 

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

It's caca. If you are saying that Carey has a hard-on for Rogue so much that he made her into a brand new character, forgot her history and made her story so important the other characters get no time to shine

We have NEVER EVER said that. God. t:

Look at the three arcs.

#1: Rogue ROXOR and is team leader. Oh, and her being brash now is a GOOD thing.
#2: Rogue gets captured & infected
#3: Alien monster pops out of the blue so Rogue can kill it and have voices in her head.

OF COURSE, lots of other stuff has happened. We have NEVER denied it. STILL, this is the CORE of what's happened so far. And, oh, get this, it all comes down to one character.

 

[Canemacar]

It's caca. If you are saying that Carey has a hard-on for Rogue so much that he made her into a brand new character, forgot her history and made her story so important the other characters get no time to shine, then yeah it's hooey. NONE of that has happened. In all of Carye's current run she has only really been special in #188 in one scene. Making her a leader really didn't do anything to make her better or more deserving, it was done of necessity and to tell a tale about a new kind of X-Men squad. God forbid Carey do something new. But she was sidelined for quite a few issues.

He did kinda make her into a new character, ignore her history, and make her more important than other characters.

a: She went straight from a passive wimp to a "take no crap" badass with no rhyme or reason. I'm not saying she should be a wimp, but he did need to actually explain her transition.

b: He's ignoring her LOOONG history of instability and made her leader of a strike team.

c: Even when she was not on panel, she was still the focus of what was going on.

Carey has given Iceman/Cable and Lady MM some terrific storylines and one liners. He focused on his new villians such as Serefina and Pan. Heck Rogue was completely MIA in #197 & 198. She will be sidelined again for Iceman and Cannonball. Carey has given a fair and even account in X-Men. A common point that many fans have stated is Carey's ability to fairly juggle the cast and show that it takes a "team" working together to beat villains, no one mutant can do it alone.

1: He's given them enough focus to convey the fact that they're a team, and that is good, but the fact is that Rogue has either been the focus on panel as she goes about all uber or everyone is working to save her and all worried about her. She's getting the lion's share of focus and it's clear as day.

Now you and Darth say Carey is biased and even though really strong arguments have been presented to the contrary, you both refuse to bend. Whose biased exactly? If you and Darth are the only ones who see this, perhaps it's just not there.

There have not been "really strong arguments to the contrary". Just you all say nu-uh again and again.

That's too bad. I like all the above.

Obviously that just means you like bad characters!
(j/k)

 

[bns]

We have NEVER EVER said that. God. t:

This is all you say.

#1: Rogue ROXOR and is team leader. Oh, and her being brash now is a GOOD thing.

This has always been a good thing! Like when she took on Juggy. Recent writers forgot she was brash and made her all sensible and caring. ICK!

However, the first arc was about the bad CoV coming to destroy X-Men, Rogue and new team stop them, but not before Sabes gets on a leash, Sam get mind-raped and his revenge, the Twins get brainwashed, Bobby's powers get amplified and Cable arrives just in time to save the day. Gee you forgot all that, especially Cable saving the day part? Selective memory hmm...

#2: Rogue gets captured & infected

Yeah and the team lead by Cable have to save her. Hey, Cable is starting play a pivotable role here!

#3: Alien monster pops out of the blue so Rogue can kill it and have voices in her head.

Yeah and again Cable has to mindmeld with an alien parasite to fix the situation. Everyone including Bobby being awesome (with a smootch from Misty) and Sam & Karima helping too destry the damn thing. Still not Rogue-centric, infact new storyline will take Rogue out of commission.

OF COURSE, lots of other stuff has happened. We have NEVER denied it. STILL, this is the CORE of what's happened so far. And, oh, get this, it all comes down to one character.

CABLE!

 

[Rogue's Hand]

I didn't say you should care. I just said that I lost a lot of respect for you as a person instead of as a comic fan. Any person in their right mind should care if their behavior is causing the people around them to lose respect for who they are instead of just their favorite character or something else as meaningless.



Some jokes are just in bad taste. That was one of them.



An insult is an insult where ever it's made.



I also called myself an alcoholic, an imbecile, and a bum on more than one occasion.



A Rogue fan accusing a Gambit fan of spinning sob stories? Pretty ironic considering the characters involved. t:

And you losing respect for me as a person matters because? LOL
You don't know me as a person. You know me as a username on a
message board. Now loathe in disgust if you will. It proves and does
nothing. The same way many people on this board might dislike you
for your bias remarks towards Rogue, Storm.

 

[Canemacar]

And you losing respect for me as a person matters because? LOL
You don't know me as a person. You know me as a username on a
message board. Now loathe in disgust if you will. It proves and does
nothing. The same way many people on this board might dislike you
for your bias remarks towards Rogue, Storm.

No, I don't know you in RL and for that I'm glad. I'm just going to put you on Ignore from now on.

 

[bns]

a: She went straight from a passive wimp to a "take no crap" badass with no rhyme or reason. I'm not saying she should be a wimp, but he did need to actually explain her transition.

Actually the way Carey is portraying Rogue is correct. Rogue is no wimp and actually was never shown as a wimp persay. She has more been shown as a romantic figure. If you actually have read any of the Rogue issues from 1983-1989 she was completely badass. She has alwasy been kinda fearless. Ignoring this would be wrong OOC.

b: He's ignoring her LOOONG history of instability and made her leader of a strike team.

She has lead before (twice). During the Shi'ar spell she was actually quite good. Not OOC. Also, she seems mentally unstable right now, so he is acknowledging it. I don't know how much more he can do it than with #199.

c: Even when she was not on panel, she was still the focus of what was going on.

I don't know about that. Like I said the others have been focused on as well with great big storylines running. So maybe cause you hater her (which you admit) it just seems more amplified.

There have not been "really strong arguments to the contrary". Just you all say nu-uh again and again.

The Hell you say! I have given actually evidence to back up my points. Like I sight the actual stories. You give opinionated persepective.

 

[Canemacar]

Actually the way Carey is portraying Rogue is correct. Rogue is no wimp and actually was never shown as a wimp persay. She has more been shown as a romantic figure. If you actually have read any of the Rogue issues from 1983-1989 she was completely badass. She has alwasy been kinda fearless. Ignoring this would be wrong OOC.

Ignoring 1990-2006 is worse. She's not the same character she was 20 years ago.

She has lead before (twice). During the Shi'ar spell she was actually quite good. Not OOC. Also, she seems mentally unstable right now, so he is acknowledging it. I don't know how much more he can do it than with #199.

A few short bouts of leadership don't excuse the fact that she's been a complete basket case for much of the 90's and some of the 00's. I can't even count the number of times she's gone ballistic over something and charged off on a rampage or just ran away.

I don't know about that. Like I said the others have been focused on as well with great big storylines running. So maybe cause you hater her (which you admit) it just seems more amplified.

No. When she isn't on panel, she's still made to be at the forefront of the reader's mind. Thus she still gets spotlight even if she isn't directly on panel.

The Hell you say! I have given actually evidence to back up my points. Like I sight the actual stories. You give opinionated persepective.

Please repost them here then. I'd like to review them.

 

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

This is all you say.

????

We haven't actually said what you accused us of saying. How is the above quote an answer to anything???

This has always been a good thing! Like when she took on Juggy.

1 - Rogue has no business taking down Juggy. Ever.

2 - Yes, it's a good thing. For a SOLDIER. Not the one supposed to keep the others all on a leash.

Recent writers forgot she was brash and made her all sensible and caring. ICK!

Oh, so tweaks/retcons that make her a *wuss* are a horrible horrible sin, but those that make her *uber* are righteous???

And just for the record, I *agree* with you on how stupid the sensible/caring thing was.

Gee you forgot all that, especially Cable saving the day part? Selective memory hmm...

Yeah and the team lead by Cable have to save her. Hey, Cable is starting play a pivotable role here!

Yeah and again Cable has to mindmeld with an alien parasite to fix the situation.

CABLE!

If I didn't know better, I just might think you'd be advocating for Cable ro replace Rogue as team leader.

Oh, and look up "STAND-IN".

 

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Ignoring 1990-2006 is worse. She's not the same character she was 20 years ago.

Eh. It's not as if her sexed up amazon 90's persona was the one that made her popular or anything. t:

 

[bns]

Ignoring 1990-2006 is worse. She's not the same character she was 20 years ago.

Yet, the way Gambit is written now, you are always saying should be ignored. You said you hate everything about Gambit except his solo or the first year he was introduced. Soo... should Carey continue on with the badly depicted Gambit or set him back to basics???

A few short bouts of leadership don't excuse the fact that she's been a complete basket case for much of the 90's and some of the 00's. I can't even count the number of times she's gone ballistic over something and charged off on a rampage or just ran away.

Examples please...

Please repost them here then. I'd like to review them.

Reread my posts, they are there.

 

[bns]

Eh. It's not as if her sexed up amazon 90's persona was the one that made her popular or anything. t:

Thanks for admitting that Rogue was no wimp in the 90's.

 

[bns]

1 - Rogue has no business taking down Juggy. Ever.

But she did. Enjoy!

http://www.geocities.com/roguewhat001/UncannyXMen218xB3.jpg

 

[Canemacar]

Yet, they way Gambit is written now, you are alwasy saying showul be ignored. You said you hate everything about Gambit except his solo or the first year he was introduced. Soo... should Carey continue on with the badly depicted Gambit or set him back to basics???

Carey said he's going to be explaining Gambit's reversion from the Death mode, why he's working with Sinister, and why he's acting the way he does. Thats more than we got with Rogue.

Examples please...

I don't have time to dig through old comics, but off the top of my head, I remember Rogue was given the highest danger rating in the Civil War handbook because she was so unstable. It specifically mentions her instability as a reason.

Reread my posts, they are there.

I don't have time to; I'm going out with some family in a short bit. If you can simply copy/paste them into a single post for me to respond to when I get back, I'll do so.

But she did. Enjoy!

http://www.geocities.com/roguewhat001/UncannyXMen218xB3.jpg

Rogue is supposed to be overwhelmed if she tries to absorb someone who's too strong (Magneto for example and he's weaker than Juggs).

 

[bns]

Rogue is supposed to be overwhelmed if she tries to absorb someone who's too strong (Magneto for example and he's weaker than Juggs).

Well I just showed you she did it way back in Uncanny 218. So there is canon for you.

 

[Canemacar]

Well I just showed you she did it way back in Uncanny 218. So there is canon for you.

It's also canon that Spider-man slapped MJ nearly full-force when he was upset once. Characters always have a degree of inconsistency to them. For another example, read X-men #100 where Rogue can't absorb an armored Colossus despite doing so in the past.

 

[bns]

It's also canon that Spider-man slapped MJ nearly full-force when he was upset once. Characters always have a degree of inconsistency to them.

But he still hit her. It's right there, he did it. You can't say she can't do something when there she is doing exactly that. Oh and that wasn't the only time. That was the second time she took Juggs on.

 

[Canemacar]

But he still hit her. It's right there, he did it. You can't say she can't do something when there she is doing exactly that. Oh and that wasn't the only time. That was the second time she took Juggs on.

I'm not denying it happened. I'm just saying it shouldn't be used as a rule of thumb.

 

[bns]

I'm not denying it happened. I'm just saying it shouldn't be used as a rule of thumb.

So should Wolverine be able to take out Gambit? I mean Rogue took out Juggy twice, and Gambit only took out Wolvie once and lets be honest Wolvie wasn't really trying.