The Official SDCC Coverage Thread

[Superark]

I'm skeptical of news at comic-con also. Hopefully I'm wrong. It's the perfect opportunity to announce something

 

[GreenKToo]

I think its possible that the B.O. of TDK could change everything at W.B. regarding C.B. films.
That thing looks to go gangbusters at the B.O.

 

[biolumen]

Unless it does "Titanic" numbers, which it won't, I don't think it's likely TDK's box office will directly effect anything but it's sequel. I don't see how a TDK that does well will make the execs think that another c.b. movie from them will do likewise. These c.b. movies basically stand or fall on their own. Now, I'm not saying they're going to ignore it completely. I just don't think it will play much of a part in any decision.

Besides, I still think the legal issues will keep them from saying anything regarding a film involving Superman for a few more months. Hope I'm wrong.

 

[nintendo nerd]

Time is running out for a sequel confirmation, if they want a 2010 release.

 

[Showtime]

Well of course WB should know more about the legal issues then we do, so if there is no mention of Superman Returns or JLM and other comicbook movies are announced or talked about, you can bet the legal issues have gotten in the way.

 

[Superark]

The whole legal battle that's going on is silly to me.

 

[mego joe]

Well, you liked Daredevil. But the way you put it makes it sound like you're talking about anybody else but you. You shopuld specify you're talking about yourself or people could start thinking you're throwing an uncalled arrogancy.



Some will rule out people who like a film labeling them as “crap likers.”



The simple fact is that is not a fact but an opinion.



So, some fans not liking it is somehow an undeniable proof of quality? I’m sorry but fans, as you say, have liked crap and ignored gold many times and therefore their taste can’t be considered a measure of a movie’s quality.

WB is in troubles only because SR had a disproportionate budget.

SR did better than Batman Begins and way better than TIH (loved by the fans mind you).



Ther franchise would be doing well if SR had a normal budget. GA responded pretty well, watching the movie more than BB and TIH and fans can disagree all they want, that is mere proof of human nature.



Just more successful than some other films of the same genre I’ve mentioned.



It’s perfectly consistent with this franchise’s Superman as seen in STM and SII.

C'mon, El Payaso, don't embarras yourself again by bringing up the fact that you don't understand the Donner Superman films. Haven't we done this before?

 

[mego joe]

For the first time ever MJ, i find one of your posts idiotic and insulting, its not a fact in the slightest that SR was a bad movie or even a bad Superman movie, its an opinion, NOTHING more. I think SR is a GREAT movie and a GREAT Superman movie, thats MY OPINION. Seemingly the critics and the people who voted it 'Best 2006 Movie' at the Total Film Reader's awards thought the same.

Come on MJ, your are comments are plain wrong.

Sure we all have opinions on SR, but if SR had been a great SUperman film a sequel would have already been greenlit and in production. I don't think there's any logical argument against that. Objetively, SR just fell in the middle. SOme liked, some hated, many were just, 'it's ok.' That's not the reaction to a great Superman film. It's what handcuffs a movie company on their next move.

 

[biolumen]

Sure we all have opinions on SR, but if SR had been a great SUperman film a sequel would have already been greenlit and in production.

Yeah, but if SR was a complete turd that made $750 million, a sequel would already be in the making too. It's not really about what you or anything thinks of the movie, it's all about how much the movie made for the studio. Now, quality and B.O. often do go hand in hand, but not always. Lots of people thought Speed Racer was fantastic, but you'll never see a sequel being made.

 

[mego joe]

Yeah, but if SR was a complete turd that made $750 million, a sequel would already be in the making too. It's not really about what what you or anything thinks of the movie, it's all about how much the movie made for the studio. Now, quality and B.O. often do go hand in hand, but not always. Lots of people thought Speed Racer was fantastic, but you'll never see a sequel being made.

But a complete turd of a film would never make 750 mil, but it might make 200 mil. The hyperbole doesn't work there. It's about potential. WB clearly was not won over by SR's performance AND it's reception that it has the 'money in the bank' potential for a sequel. Otherwise, it would have already been greenlit. Yes?

 

[biolumen]

Obviously if the movie did as well as they expected, a sequel would be in the works. WB might now be rethinking the potential of Superman as a franchise, not just MOS. There are lots of other DC characters with potential to make big bucks. Iron Man proved it.

 

[El Payaso]

C'mon, El Payaso, don't embarras yourself again by bringing up the fact that you don't understand the Donner Superman films. Haven't we done this before?

And I have proven yopu wrong. Your best argument has only been an opinion "You don't get it."

Now don't embarrass yourself by saying people that disagree with you is a crap liker. Or by saying you don't have a problem with people that disagree with you when you only live to reply to those people and their taste because you simply can't live with the fact that those people disagree with you.

You know, even people that agree with you about SR is disagreeing with you about the way you handle the subject and are starting to agree with SR lovers.

 

[El Payaso]

Sure we all have opinions on SR, but if SR had been a great SUperman film a sequel would have already been greenlit and in production. I don't think there's any logical argument against that. Objetively, SR just fell in the middle. SOme liked, some hated, many were just, 'it's ok.' That's not the reaction to a great Superman film. It's what handcuffs a movie company on their next move.

There are so many examples of GA reacting great to crappy movies your argument crumbles down by itself.

 

[dark_b]

Sure we all have opinions on SR, but if SR had been a great SUperman film a sequel would have already been greenlit and in production. I don't think there's any logical argument against that. Objetively, SR just fell in the middle. SOme liked, some hated, many were just, 'it's ok.' That's not the reaction to a great Superman film. It's what handcuffs a movie company on their next move.

i think there is a difference between a quality(inteligent) movie and a summer popcorn movie.
a lot of people are saying that TF is dumb and cliche. a lot of people dont like TF. but it made tons of money.
with a superman mvoie where you invest 200 milions you need to find a balance if you want respect from the critics and a big profit. you can not choose a side. it has to be in the midle. or you can make a TF-type of movie and make only a profit.but you can not invest 200 milions with a complicated story and almost nothing for the masses. the name superman brings some people in the theater and the plane sequnce also did something for the BO. but not enough.

so i dont think that there was anythign wrong with the quality of the movie because it didnt make mroe money. but it was a lot wrong for a summer blockbuster superman movie with a 200 milion budget. looks like money thrown away.

 

[GreenKToo]

The editing in S.R. left alot to be desired. I'm not saying that it affected the B.O. because I have no idea, but it does make me wonder how much better it could have been with the cut scenes added in. Especially the RTK scene.

 

[dark_b]

The editing in S.R. left alot to be desired. I'm not saying that it affected the B.O. because I have no idea, but it does make me wonder how much better it could have been with the cut scenes added in. Especially the RTK scene.

the editing was a big factor IMO.
i still can not belive that SR starts with lex luthor
and then with the return of superman

 

[Ultimate_Superman]

The editing in S.R. left alot to be desired. I'm not saying that it affected the B.O. because I have no idea, but it does make me wonder how much better it could have been with the cut scenes added in. Especially the RTK scene.

The editing for that movie was very very poor it took out one major plot line of the story (Lex being behind Superman leaving) and the whole RTK secne which plays a huge part on when Superman sees new Krypton for the first time.

 

[Ita-KalEl]

I'm sure that TDK could help MOS.
In what way?
According to the reviews TDK is the first sh movie to be really mature. For the first time they write it to be a serious movie and not the classic "kids friendly" sh movie (like Spiderman).

If TDK is a great success they can finally think a sh movie in a different way.
In the case of MOS, they could think to use the kid to make a terrific plot.
If at the end of the movie there is an evil kid or the kid is killed, nobody will say that it is a shame for a sh movie.

 

[Anita18]

No you wouldn't...believe me t: That's the way I thought when I first moved to San Diego. I was excited, but after the first day it loses it's luster. The vendors don't change, and unless your going for a specific panel or discussion it's not all that exciting. The movie previews are cool and all that, but it's HOT as hell in the convention center. I don't care how high the A/C...it's always hot!

Really? When I went last year (my first time), I was freezing my butt off and would have to periodically wander outside so I could sun myself like a lizard. SO FRIGGIN COLD.

But I'm always cold, so...yeah. 75 is pretty much the perfect temperature for me, and I think most people would consider that pretty darned warm.

Unless it does "Titanic" numbers, which it won't, I don't think it's likely TDK's box office will directly effect anything but it's sequel. I don't see how a TDK that does well will make the execs think that another c.b. movie from them will do likewise. These c.b. movies basically stand or fall on their own. Now, I'm not saying they're going to ignore it completely. I just don't think it will play much of a part in any decision.

Besides, I still think the legal issues will keep them from saying anything regarding a film involving Superman for a few more months. Hope I'm wrong.

I agree. These movies will go on a case-to-case basis, because the creative team on each works so differently.

Sad to hear about the legal issues. That always sucks.

I think the reason why WB is fudging on the sequel (besides the legal issues now) is because nobody's sure how to get it going. SR was not a flop by any means, but it's getting that label solely because of how much it cost. Now the main problem is how WB is going to reasonably pay for a sequel that's supposed to be bigger and better. I don't get the feeling that anyone really knows how to do it.

IM did gangbusters and didn't cost that much to make, so the decision was easy. BB didn't do so gangbusters, but it didn't cost an arm and a leg and it made a profit, so they probably figured why not. SR's trickier because it's in that gray area where some hard budget and story decisions are going to have to be made.

I don't believe that the studios listens to the general audience when it comes to these things. I don't think anyone was really clamoring for a FF sequel, for example.

 

[mego joe]

And I have proven yopu wrong.

Only in your mind El payaso, only in your mind.

Your best argument has only been an opinion "You don't get it."

That's all I need when it's the truth.

 

[Showtime]

El Payoso/Mego Joe

You guys are like each others "Bizzaros", you want to debate who understands the damn character better when related to Superman Returns go to that forum.

 

[mego joe]

There are so many examples of GA reacting great to crappy movies your argument crumbles down by itself.

Like I said, some people like crap. Remember?

 

[mego joe]

El Payoso/Mego Joe

You guys are like each others "Bizzaros", you want to debate who understands the damn character better when related to Superman Returns go to that forum.

You're right. We've done it beofre, but I'm going to drop it again and try to make it stick this time.

 

[Showtime]

Like I said, some people like crap. Remember?

Like I said, some people don't understand what an opinion is.

 

[GreenKToo]

the editing was a big factor IMO.
i still can not belive that SR starts with lex luthor
and then with the return of superman

The editing for that movie was very very poor it took out one major plot line of the story (Lex being behind Superman leaving) and the whole RTK secne which plays a huge part on when Superman sees new Krypton for the first time.

I'm no expert, but I would have removed the opening scene of Lex in the mansion, and replaced it with the RtK scene.
Since Lex is an evil genius, there was no need to explain where he got his money.
The first shot of Lex should have been of him on the yacht. I doubt folks watching would have wondered how he could have afforded it.