The Official Stupid Question Thread: Marvel Edition - Part 5

[Jordacar]

X-Men: DoFP Movie

When the authorities took Magneto down after JFK's assassination, they built an entire prison in the Pentagon designed specifically to keep him confined and away from metal. So the government knew Erik had unusual powers. They built a cell that was void of metal...these people had to be aware he could control metal.

So, why was it that the government didn't believe Trask when he proposed the existence of super powered beings when said government had one in captivity?

Because the X-Men movies are a mess.

Or I guess they remained unconvinced that the mutant population was big enough to warrant Trask's particular methods.

 

[KevanG]

To be fair the people he was talking to could have not had that information or had considered it a joke about the presidential assassin and the 'magic bullet'. If someone had told you a guy who could manipulate metal with his mind was in on the Kennedy assassination and was being kept below the pentagon would you believe them?

It could also have been to try and stymie a public relations disaster once it got out about the government not telling the public there were people out there that could control minds, change shape into yourself and could blow up a house just by not being able to control themselves. Tell him no at that time, then recruit him or steal the designs for yourselves later on once mutants become known.

 

[PunyGod]

X-Men: DoFP Movie

When the authorities took Magneto down after JFK's assassination, they built an entire prison in the Pentagon designed specifically to keep him confined and away from metal. So the government knew Erik had unusual powers. They built a cell that was void of metal...these people had to be aware he could control metal.

So, why was it that the government didn't believe Trask when he proposed the existence of super powered beings when said government had one in captivity?

Magneto was kept top secret. Even the President didn't know about him. He was known to Trask because his company built the prison but it probably never went beyond the military and CIA.

Mutants weren't public at this point and were only known to the government. The congressmen didn't seem to think they were a threat. One of them mentions the Cuba incident from First Class but another says that was never confirmed. The events of First Class were kept secret too and at the end of that film it seemed even the CIA didn't know everything that happened.

 

[Mike Murdock]

People describe mutants as a separate species from other humans. But I've also heard the argument that, scientifically speaking, they aren't because the two can reproduce. However, the definition of a separate species are two that can't produce fertile offspring.

So that brings me to my question. Can anyone think of an example where a mutant and a human had a child and that child had kids themselves (in other words, the mutant and human have grandchildren together)? The only example I can think of was Magneto and Magda who had Quicksilver who had Luna with the Inhuman Crystal. But, with the recent retcon, that's not really a valid example. Does anyone have another example?

 

[KevanG]

While I was reading that I was thinking about Wanda and Vision but the whole 'Devil soul kids' thing was weird even for them.

It's more similar to the Neanderthal/Home sapiens mating that took place. While our ancestors were a different 'branch' of evolution we were still similar enough to breed.

As for comic characters... Well Apocalypse has descendants and he probably had a human wife/child rearer. Does Madeline Pryor count? I was never sure if she was human or a mutant since until she went all Goblin Queen (or whatever it was in Inferno) I don't think she showed up on Cerebro. She had Cable with Scott and Cable had a kid.

There was Days of Future Past where Franklin Richards (of the FF) and Rachel Summers in an alternate timeline to that they had a kid (Hyperstorm), not sure if he counts though since I'm not sure if Franklin counts as 'human'.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

The majority of mutants in comics aren't old enough to be grandparents.

 

[Mike Murdock]

As for comic characters... Well Apocalypse has descendants and he probably had a human wife/child rearer. Does Madeline Pryor count? I was never sure if she was human or a mutant since until she went all Goblin Queen (or whatever it was in Inferno) I don't think she showed up on Cerebro. She had Cable with Scott and Cable had a kid.

Wasn't Madeline Pryor a clone of Jean Grey created by Mr. Sinister? I'd imagine that would technically make her a mutant, but I could be wrong.

There was Days of Future Past where Franklin Richards (of the FF) and Rachel Summers in an alternate timeline to that they had a kid (Hyperstorm), not sure if he counts though since I'm not sure if Franklin counts as 'human'.

I'll count that. Franklin Richards may be many things, but I don't think he's a mutant. Thanks for your help.

 

[Havok83]

Prior to the retcon, Nocturne would have counted as her grandparents were Mystique and a German baron, but that doesnt count anymore since Azazeal is Nightcrawler's father

As for comic characters... Well Apocalypse has descendants and he probably had a human wife/child rearer. Does Madeline Pryor count? I was never sure if she was human or a mutant since until she went all Goblin Queen (or whatever it was in Inferno) I don't think she showed up on Cerebro. She had Cable with Scott and Cable had a kid.

There was Days of Future Past where Franklin Richards (of the FF) and Rachel Summers in an alternate timeline to that they had a kid (Hyperstorm), not sure if he counts though since I'm not sure if Franklin counts as 'human'.

Madelyne as a genetic clone of Jean Grey is a mutant, not human. They have the same powers after all. Franklin as well is a mutant

I'll count that. Franklin Richards may be many things, but I don't think he's a mutant. Thanks for your help.

unless somethings changed in the recent pages of FF, Franklin is a mutant. He's always been classified as such and it was his mutant status which played a big role in the Onslaught crossover and subsequent Heroes Reborn universe. It was why he was sent to the Xavier School for Gifted Youngers; to learn how to use and control his mutant abilities. Again, they could have retconned this for all i know, but Im going off of history

 

[Mike Murdock]

Why is he a mutant? His parents aren't mutants. The DOFP timeline had him in a concentration camp, but my understanding is just that all super-powered people were eventually persecuted. Then again, Onslaught is not something I've actually read so maybe I'm wrong.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

Wow, Nocturne. Forgot she existed. Good ol' New Excalibur.

 

[Havok83]

Why is he a mutant? His parents aren't mutants. The DOFP timeline had him in a concentration camp, but my understanding is just that all super-powered people were eventually persecuted. Then again, Onslaught is not something I've actually read so maybe I'm wrong.

95% of mutants that we read in the books are born to non-mutant parents. Jean Grey, Wolverine, Cyclops, Rogue, Magneto, etc... Having mutant parents has never been a qualification for what classifies as a mutant. Mutants have not existed from the beginning of time. By definition they come about when there is a mutation in the gene and thats from normal human to human conception. Having 2 mutant parents increases the probability that the child will become a mutant, but non-mutant parents can and do have mutant children as well. In the MU all one needs is an X-gene to be classified as a mutant and Franklin has one

Franklin is most definitely a mutant

http://marvel.wikia.com/Franklin_Richards_(Earth-616)

The cosmic radiation that had given Reed and Susan Richards their superhuman powers also resulted in affecting the genetic structure of their son: Franklin was born a mutant. Unlike most superhuman mutants, whose unusual powers do not emerge until the mutant reaches puberty, Franklin began manifesting his superhuman powers at a very early age. The very first indication of his powers was shown when the Frightful Four had beaten the Fantastic Four, as toddler Franklin Richards used to power to wake up the Thing and this allowed the Fantastic Four to achieve victory.[8] In the normal course of events, Franklin's psionic powers would presumably increasingly emerge as he grew older until they reach their full, vast potential when he achieves maturity.

 

[KevanG]

I had thought that him being a mutant was a human mutant due to his parents unusual genetics as opposed to a 'real' mutant that was born with the x-gene.

 

[Havok83]

there's no distinction with origins. As long as a person is born with the X-gene, they are classified as homo-superior (mutant)

 

[DawnWarrior]

Was there anyone who found out they had mutant powers after they were already a super-hero? Like if Tony Stark, after becoming Iron Man, found out he could shape-shift. That kind of thing?

 

[Havok83]

Was there anyone who found out they had mutant powers after they were already a super-hero? Like if Tony Stark, after becoming Iron Man, found out he could shape-shift. That kind of thing?

Cloak and Dagger although thats since been retconned. Namor

 

[KevanG]

Well Angel was flying around as the Avenging Angel for a while before Xavier signed him up. He had a gas gun and everything.

 

[WolfCypher]

Wasn't it later established that Electro is actually a bi-sexual mutant?

 

[smallville fan]

Is there a definitive reading order for the whole Secret Wars event that has been going on recently? I've been keeping out of comics due to life.

 

[KevanG]

Wasn't it later established that Electro is actually a bi-sexual mutant?

Well they did state that due to various aliens showing up and messing with the DNA of our ancestors every human, mutant or otherwise, are mutated in someway.

But yeah, they did show him going into some bordello where he asked for a shapeshifter to be Spider-man for him.

 

[batnkevlar]

From a scientific standpoint:

We, normal humans, are actually homo sapiens sapiens.

Neanderthals were homo sapiens neanderthalensis.

Mutants are homo sapiens superior.

Three different subspecies, one technical species, allowing for interbreeding with viable offspring.

 

[KevanG]

Well compared to us, the humans from the MU aren't strictly human due to the genetic tampering done by the Celestials and the Kree. Along with interbreeding from outside sources like the Inhumans, various aliens and beings from alternate realities.

Bunch of mutts

 

[chamber-music]

Some mutants like Beast and Multiple Man had mutations triggered from birth due to their parents early exposure to nuclear radiation.

 

[Havok83]

Does Nova have the same powers as Captain Marvel (Carol)? When playing MVC3, he played similiarly to how Id imagine her to be and now playing Marvel Heroes, they seem to have very similar powersets

 

[Colossal Spoons]

Pretty much, except he can open wormholes.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Completely different powers with similar appearances, actually. In Rich's last series, the Worldmind kept referring to the Nova Force as gravitic in nature. So Nova manipulates gravimetric fields to create energy blasts and warp space and stuff. Relativity powers, basically.

But the real difference in practice is that Nova's powers are set--there's the Nova Force, and each Nova receives a constant portion of it. Carol absorbs energy to give herself increased strength, energy blasts, and flight, and her power level can vary depending on how much energy she absorbs.