The Official Superman Thread - Part 1

[TheCorpulent1]

Perfect

And I still think that paranoia, humanity being untrustworthy toward Superman will be embody with Luthor who is a character I can't wait to see Morrison revisit.

Yeah, Morrison plays him with the perfect balance of smug swagger and childish insecurity.

 

[Drz]

I went back and re-read the solicitation to clarify what you might've meant. Honestly, it just made me more excited for Morrison's take on Superman. According to the solicitation, the world distrusts him because he's the first superhero. Knowing that Morrison basically considers Superman to rightfully be the greatest superhero of all time, I'm excited because we'll get the opportunity to see him craft the story of why the DC universe, unlike the Marvel universe, implicitly trusts its superheroes for the most part.

Imagine if a superpowered demigod showed up one day out of the blue. Wouldn't you be utterly f***ing terrified? I sure would. Now imagine that that superpowered demigod turns out to be the awe-inspiring, warm, universally good paragon of humanity that Morrison's Superman has historically been. This is a world that was confronted with one of the most frightening doomsday scenarios ever conceived--a being so far beyond humanity in terms of power that he's 100% unstoppable and can do literally whatever he wants with impunity--only to find out that this apocalyptically powerful being turns out to be possibly the most decent, honest, and morally righteous person they could imagine as well. That's about the only thing that could possibly shape a whole world to accept and put its faith in superheroes as a whole. Because Superman was the first, the universal embrace of superheroes in the DC world actually makes sense rather than being something you'd have to extend your suspension of disbelief to cover.

Granted, if it were someone other than Morrison, I'd be worried about their potentially botching it. But Morrison's basically already given us a perfect Superman in All-Star Superman, so I have no doubt that he'll give us something at least approaching that level of quality in Action Comics. The "first superhero" scenario is as good a ground as any to start that on.

Well also remember that Morrison does want to show how Superman becomes from that angry truck throwing man into the greatest hero too, so i truly hope you won't get turned off by the first issue or anything, but yeah you pretty much nailed it, this should show how Superman inspires the people, it should be magnificent.

 

[Mystirious]

Right, that's definitely the kind of direction I want it to go in. I was just voicing my hope that it doesn't go the other way is all. Not that I think it necessarily will or anything, just saying my hope that it won't.

But to answer your question, I wouldn't be terrified. I'm just take some mind altering drugs and hang out with him/her as a demigod being myself.

I guess drugs really are the answer

I want a Luthor spinoff.

Written by Paul Cornell.

I would buy it

It would be fun on a bun

 

[Roose Bolton]

Morrison IS the greatest Superman writer so I really don't see why anyone should be worried

 

[Drz]

but that begs the question............with this relaunch, is that going to sink the planned Earth One stories ( weren't they planning an Earth One Batman and more Earth One Superman stories? )?

The Earth One series is intended for people to simply read the graphical novel and enjoy it as that, no need to fear theres a cross-over event or a event coming up that requries another trade, you simply follow the volumes 1,2,3,4 etc etc and you can give to a friend easily.

Sure this can be said about some ongoings easily too, but take in example Morrison's Batman run, it's not simple "volumes 1,2,3" outside of Batman and Robin volumes, but you got "Batman: Batman and Son", "Batman: Black Glove", "Batman RIP" Then you got volumes 1-3 of Batman and Robin, then we go to Return of Bruce Wayne, oh lets not forget "Batman: Time and the Batman" and then we're going with Batman Incorporated volume 1.

You can see people can get track lost there, but the Earth One franchise is simply enjoying the volume and then waiting for the next.

 

[Kurosawa]

Well, I really doubt we'll see Batman looking to Superman as an inspiration. Batman fanboys would foam at the mouth with hatred and envy; we'd have daily suicide bombing on DC and WB's office.

Besides that, I don't necessarily see a need for Superman to be the inspiration for everyone to be a hero or anything. I love Superman and the idea of him being the best, but I also don't really see a reason to gimp the internal goodness of other heroes in doing what they do for him to be emphasized even more so as.

Batman fanboys need to get over their Superman-envy. There's nothing wrong with Bruce saying, "Kal was the first of us, he showed us the way."

It also looks like they finally got Supergirl straightened out just in time for them to ruin her. The last few arcs in her book were really good and a lot of fun. Supergirl isn't supposed to be bitter and angry. She's supposed to be insecure and a little awkward but upbeat. She's a normal teenager at heart, but she happens to be the cousin and protege of the greatest hero the world has ever known.

I wonder what they're going to do with Power Girl. Hopefully she'll be around and hopefully she'll continue to be the cousin of the original Superman.

 

[Roose Bolton]

I think it's better to have Bruce sort of realise his power as a symbol on his own. In year one it sort of gave the impression that the universe/ spirit of his father, spoke to him in the moment when he got the idea to become a Bat. With all do respect to Supes, Bruce's morales and ideals are based on his own experiences, not on Clarks example.

 

[Mystirious]

They have said that continuity is staying more or less the same. So I dont think they are going to erase Power Girl even though her comic book is getting cancelled

Hopefully she will be in the Superman comic books

 

[Kurosawa]

I think it's better to have Bruce sort of realise his power as a symbol on his own. In year one it sort of gave the impression that the universe/ spirit of his father, spoke to him in the moment when he got the idea to become a Bat. With all do respect to Supes, Bruce's morales and ideals are based on his own experiences, not on Clarks example.

Bruce's motivations came from his own life, but the idea of actually putting on a costume and operating independently of the authorities came from Superman. It's not stated that way in Detective #33, but of course everyone knows Batman was created to be the follow up hero to Superman. There's nothing about Batman saying that he and all the other heroes took their inspiration from Superman that hurts Batman as a character.

 

[Roose Bolton]

It wouldn't hurt the character but I don't think it really adds anything either.

 

[Mystirious]

Yep I wouldn't mind if Bruce was inspired to wear a costume by Superman but I always assumed he just decided that by himself

 

[X Knight]

based on Morrison's past with Superman, do you think he will inject his Superman with good, old-fashioned morals and down-to-earth sensibility as a result of his Kansas/Midwestern upbringing?

I'm not saying go overboard and make Clark uber-prudish or anything.......but I would like to see some of that in Superman.

 

[Mystirious]

I would not want to see that in Superman.

Ever

And I doubt Morrison would ever write Superman that way thankfully. Superman's morality is simply that he will always try and protect those that need protection and help those that he can. And fight against injustice oppression tyranny and evil wherever and whenever he needs to

I don't want to see him written as being 'old fashioned' and the less time spent dwelling on anything to do with Smallville the better.

Superman just needs to be a good guy who stands for justice and freedom

Making him old fashioned or prudish or anything like that would be awful

 

[Motown Marvel]

i have no problem with him being rooted in an old fashion. its how his parents raised him. and its where his good guy nature stems from.

 

[Mystirious]

He absolutely should be a good guy but i dont think he should ever be old fashioned. I really would not like that and it would put me off reading about him

 

[Roose Bolton]

I think your confusing old fashioned with close minded.

 

[Mystirious]

The two are often the same thing

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Well also remember that Morrison does want to show how Superman becomes from that angry truck throwing man into the greatest hero too, so i truly hope you won't get turned off by the first issue or anything, but yeah you pretty much nailed it, this should show how Superman inspires the people, it should be magnificent.

I have no problem with a Superman who falters occasionally or starts out imperfect. He's only human, after all.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

The two are often the same thing

Often, but not exclusively. I would characterize Captain America as old-fashioned because he'd rather sit at home with his girlfriend and work on a puzzle rather than get high and go to a rave or whatever, but he's still extremely open-minded. I tend to think of Superman the same way. I mean, think about it: If Superman encounters a gay person, I think he'd basically be like, "Oh, you're gay? That's cool. I'm literally from another planet, but my parents taught me I could be accepted and loved just like anyone else." Superman cares not for race, creed, sexuality, or what-have-you. He loves you regardless. Almost... messianic of him, don't you think?

 

[Mystirious]

I have no problem with a Superman who falters occasionally or starts out imperfect. He's only human, after all.

Indeed

I think it will be pretty neat to see how Superman was when he first started out as a superhero. I really like the sound of what Morrison has planned for the character for this origin story

 

[Drz]

I have no problem with a Superman who falters occasionally or starts out imperfect. He's only human, after all.

Good.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I'm curious about how it'll all work. Did superheroes just start much later in the post-relaunch world? Does that mean the JSA and all that stuff is gone? Or does Superman just not age?

 

[Roose Bolton]

They've never really been too specific in regards to Supes and what ratio he ages at. I imagine it'll be the same post relaunch?

 

[Mystirious]

I remember in All Star Superman it was said that Superman does not age like humans do so maybe it will be the same in the mainstream comic books too

 

[TheCorpulent1]

He aged at normal speed post-Crisis, it seems. He didn't crash-land on Earth until well after the JSA had shown up. But I guess they could just have him age to maturity and then claim that the sun powers him so efficiently that his body doesn't degrade like humans' or something.