The Official Superman Thread - Part 1

[HighFivingMF]

Last Son, Superman and the Legion of Super-Heroes, Bizarro World, etc.

And BRAINIAC!!!!!! I thought they were all great.

 

[Tron Bonne]

Last Son, Superman and the Legion of Super-Heroes, Bizarro World, etc.

I liked those, but I would say amazing is overselling of them. Didn't Donner co-script a lot of those, too. I actually thought the Bizarro arc was all him.

 

[Anubis]

He did Last Son. S**t took too long for my taste.

 

[hippie_hunter]

It took too long because of Kubert's art.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Sorry hippie hunter I didn't enjoy any of it

And I hated how he wrote the Legion of Superheroes. I think Paul Levitz is far better at writing them and i am very glad he is writing that comic book now

Hope that he stays as the writer for a long time

Without Johns rebooting the Legion back to their original continuity, there would be no Levitz book.

 

[Anubis]

It took too long because of Kubert's art.

Still.

 

[Tron Bonne]

Without Johns rebooting the Legion back to their original continuity, there would be no Levitz book.

That really doesn't matter to what she's saying.

 

[hippie_hunter]

If this was true.....I'd do terrible things to those around me.

I'm being serious. I think that if Dark Knight: Boy Wonder was going to happen, it would have been solicited already. When Jim Lee is focused, he really isn't that late of an artist. His runs on Batman, Superman, Fantastic Four, X-Men really didn't have that much in delays. Lee may take a while, but in the end, he is nowhere near as bad as people make him out to be.

When DC is now really trying to hype up the DC Universe, it would make more sense for Lee to do a book set in the regular DC Universe instead of a book that has been critically panned and/or is regarded as a joke.

 

[Mystirious]

Without Johns rebooting the Legion back to their original continuity, there would be no Levitz book.

That's true so I am glad that Johns brought the Legion of Superheroes back

But I hated the way Johns wrote them so i am glad that Levitz is writing them now. I think Levitz is the best Legion of Superheroes writer

 

[Drz]

When DC is now really trying to hype up the DC Universe, it would make more sense for Lee to do a book set in the regular DC Universe instead of a book that has been critically panned and/or is regarded as a joke.

Nice of you to forget All Star Batman and Robin is his dream project come thru.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Nice of you to forget All Star Batman and Robin is his dream project come thru.

It doesn't matter if All Star Batman and Robin is Jim Lee's dream project, it is still regarded as a horrible book critically and those that do like it, see it as a joke. No one takes it seriously the way it was originally intended.

Now that Lee is Co-Publisher of DC Comics, he along with the rest of the editorial staff in DC probably see it as more important to build up hype of the regular DC Universe the way that Geoff Johns has built up Green Lantern and Grant Morrison has built up Batman instead of working on a book that is poorly regarded and only affects Frank Miller's Batman work.

 

[Mystirious]

Though it is unintentionally hillarious at times

 

[hippie_hunter]

Though it is unintentionally hillarious at times

The first couple of issues were. Though the series took a complete turn in tone once it became blatantly obvious that Miller realized that no one was taking this book seriously, and those that did, absolutely hated it. The later issues of the book are obvious parody like many defenders say it is.

 

[Roose Bolton]

Yeah it's actually pretty good if you regard it as an AU satire, and don't think of the characters as the "real" batman and robin. Plus it's the best work in jim lee's career.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Without a doubt that it is Jim Lee's best, but it should also provide a lesson for him in that he should never take that massive of a work load ever again if he wants to draw monthly comics.

 

[Roose Bolton]

agreed, half the time he was working on like 5 different covers a month and he was also doing the DC online game, which really, for an artist like him is just too much.

 

[hippie_hunter]

agreed, half the time he was working on like 5 different covers a month and he was also doing the DC online game, which really, for an artist like him is just too much.

Add in his editorial duties on Wildstorm and tried to do a second book with Grant Morrison and yeah, it's abundantly clear why Lee was never able to finish All Star Batman and Robin.

He put way, way, way too much on his plate. No artist could handle the amount of work Lee tried to do.

 

[roach]

Add in his editorial duties on Wildstorm and tried to do a second book with Grant Morrison and yeah, it's abundantly clear why Lee was never able to finish All Star Batman and Robin.

He put way, way, way too much on his plate. No artist could handle the amount of work Lee tried to do.

Hey Jack Kirby drew every Marvel comic while serving in the Army and storming the beaches of Normandy in WW2 t:

 

[HighFivingMF]

Hey Jack Kirby drew every Marvel comic while serving in the Army and storming the beaches of Normandy in WW2 t:

The thing about Jack Kirby... There were 8 of him.

 

[roach]

The thing about Jack Kirby... There were 8 of him.

actually Kirby was a mutant with the ability to duplicate himself

 

[hippie_hunter]

Hey Jack Kirby drew every Marvel comic while serving in the Army and storming the beaches of Normandy in WW2 t:

Comic book art was very different back when it started. The style was far more simplistic as opposed to the various styles of art today which range from extremely detailed (like Jim Lee) to retro styles (like Marcos Martin). Now don't get me wrong about seeing Kirby's art as "simplistic" because he put in a lot of imagination with is art and ideas, but it still pales in comparison to the work overload that Jim Lee attempted to do.

Lee had editorial duties on WildStorm, took up designing duties of DC Universe Online (which was a lot of work), two "ongoings," and multiple covers. In today's comic book industry, that amount of work is just impossible and Lee was a fool for thinking that he could do all that. It would be best for him to just stick with his Co-Publishing duties and doing one monthly book.

 

[Kurosawa]

Kirby destroys Jim Lee in every conceivable manner, but comparing Jim Lee to Jack Kirby is like comparing John Mayer to Paul McCartney. It's totally not fair to Lee (or anyone) to be compared to Kirby.

In the history of comic artists, there's Kirby....then there's everyone else. Most people (self included) give Eisner the #2 spot but it's more like Kirby #1>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Will Eisner #2.

It's a shame Lee's best work was wasted on such a bad book as ASBAR, but the Batcave fold-out is worth it.

 

[hippie_hunter]

In the history of comic artists, there's Kirby....then there's everyone else.

Yeah, you're kinda right there.

It's a shame Lee's best work was wasted on such a bad book as ASBAR, but the Batcave fold-out is worth it.

Not even the Batcave fold-out was worth it.

 

[TheIncredibleSk]

Jim Lee is the best CB Artist ever imo. His art is should be in museums not comic shops.

 

[Kurosawa]

He's a great pin-up artist, he only really has gotten decent at sequential art in the last few years, IMO. But he is a heck of a talent. Of modern artists, only him and Alex Ross would make my top 100 comics artists of all time.