The Official Superman Thread - Part 3

[Lead Cenobite]

It's not change for the sake of change, it's change to avoid being the butt of jokes all the time, really. Even when trunks were still common (which really wasn't that long ago) it was always Superman who people noticed having them.

 

[CConn]

Aren't trunks only common among characters created in the 30s-50s?

After that, no one seems to wear them.

 

[Lead Cenobite]

There were a pretty good number of characters created in the 60s that had trunks or one-piece bathing suit-like designs up until the 90s, like Thor, Iron Man, and some X-Men characters. Even if more recent characters didn't have them, that doesn't mean the look wasn't still prevalent.

 

[Drz]

Action Comics #8 variant:

It's great, despite Superman's new powers (and modern timeline) and the costume. Action Comics still keeps the hero of the people vibe strong and present.

Action Comics #7 PREVIEW!

Superman's big leap, Super Mario style!:

 

[MMMMM...Pancakes]

It's amazing how the new suit actually looks pretty decent when drawn by certain artists...

Gary Frank's variant cover for Action #8.

Nice cover.

 

[Shazam]

I really do hate that collar. I'm sorry but I really do feel that Superman's classic costume was perfect! It's one of those looks that does not need any changes ie. Captain America, Wonder Woman, Captain Marvel, The Flash.
I'm not so archaic in my thinking that I don't think anything should ever change; some redesigns have been great ie. Thor, Nova, even Spider-man (movie) and the tweaks to Batman lend itself to updates (much like Ironman); but this seemed like change just for the sake of it. It was not an improvement. I still say it has more to do with the Segal & Shuster estate vs DC lawsuit than anything (I could be wrong, but I don't think I am).

I agree!

He can't wear armor under his street clothes...........

 

[Dangerman]

I think his outfit is just fine since this is a whole new Superman altogether. If this were the old Superman then yea I might but upset but this is a completely different Superman so the look should be different much like Earth One Superman or Kingdom Come Superman, etc.

 

[HighFivingMF]

He can't wear armor under his street clothes...........

You can't wear a cape under your street clothes or boots under shoes, but that never stopped him before.

 

[Cain]

Man I hope that's not the "real" Brainiac and just some drone like the Darkseid in JL was more than likely just another useless avatar of the god of Evil. I don't like when they make him more machine than humanoid.

I like a more organic Brainiac who further corrupts himself further through technology cause it's just pure unadulterated selfish evil. Not some predictable "he's a machine so he must be cold and lifeless" type thing like in the animated series (the one thing I really didn't like from that show).

Plus it makes the existence of Vril Dox and his progeny make more sense which is why I applauded Johns for bringing it back pre-Flashpoint. Since this "Brainiac" spoke in plural I hope the case is that it's not the "real" one anyway. But if the implication is that the organic looking brain on that machines "head" is Braniac's actual brain at some point I'd prefer to see it implanted in a clone body or something.

 

[Lead Cenobite]

I agree!

He can't wear armor under his street clothes...........

He can if it's not hard and bulky. When Superman takes it out of its bell-jar case, it's as limp as cloth. It's more or less an indestructible fabric like the cape.

Man I hope that's not the "real" Brainiac and just some drone like the Darkseid in JL was more than likely just another useless avatar of the god of Evil. I don't like when they make him more machine than humanoid.

I like a more organic Brainiac who further corrupts himself further through technology cause it's just pure unadulterated selfish evil. Not some predictable "he's a machine so he must be cold and lifeless" type thing like in the animated series (the one thing I really didn't like from that show).

Plus it makes the existence of Vril Dox and his progeny make more sense which is why I applauded Johns for bringing it back pre-Flashpoint. Since this "Brainiac" spoke in plural I hope the case is that it's not the "real" one anyway. But if the implication is that the organic looking brain on that machines "head" is Braniac's actual brain at some point I'd prefer to see it implanted in a clone body or something.

His head/brain looks somewhat organic, so maybe that's the case. He began as an organic being and continually modified himself with cybernetics.

 

[RoughNTumble]

action comics delivers again of course

I want to see 'nothing is impossible' superman in his other books.

new top five:

1. action comics
2. batman
3. wonder woman
4. animal man
5. flash

 

[Cain]

His head/brain looks somewhat organic, so maybe that's the case. He began as an organic being and continually modified himself with cybernetics.

The thing is they seem to speak as a "colony" a hive mind all networked when Brainiac said that on Earth they're called the internet it just gives me flashbacks of the Loeb/Kelly era in Superman comics. I don't really care for that depiction of Brainiac but we'll see.

It is Morrison and he tends to surprise every now and then but more often than not he's actually pretty explicit with his ****. Hence "Dr. Hurt is Batman's personification of the devil" which was projected since R.I.P. and panned out completely as that all the ay.

 

[Czar Colossus]

He can if it's not hard and bulky. When Superman takes it out of its bell-jar case, it's as limp as cloth. It's more or less an indestructible fabric like the cape.

That's not even the real issue.....realistically, most likely costumes beneath street cloths have never really been functional (but comics demand we suspend such laws at times). The real problem is that the design sucks and I still say it was change for the sake of change due to some judgment made in the Siegel & Shuster estate vs DC lawsuit.
DC has been forced to make obvious distinctions between the original concepts created by Siegel & Shuster and the current version; that includes his look. Thus long time fans who were happy with things must suffer this if they still want Superman. It comes down to legal and corporate BS (much like the Captain Marvel situation with usage of his name.) Unlike say Thor's redesign, this is not an improvement.
If DC had introduced the New 52 as their version of Marvel's Ultimate, I'd say great. Unfortunately this is not an alternative; it's what we are stuck with and so far there has been more bad than good.

 

[Lead Cenobite]

That's not even the real issue.....realistically, most likely costumes beneath street cloths have never really been functional (but comics demand we suspend such laws at times). The real problem is that the design sucks and I still say it was change for the sake of change due to some judgment made in the Siegel & Shuster estate vs DC lawsuit.
DC has been forced to make obvious distinctions between the original concepts created by Siegel & Shuster and the current version; that includes his look. Thus long time fans who were happy with things must suffer this if they still want Superman. It comes down to legal and corporate BS (much like the Captain Marvel situation with usage of his name.) Unlike say Thor's redesign, this is not an improvement.
If DC had introduced the New 52 as their version of Marvel's Ultimate, I'd say great. Unfortunately this is not an alternative; it's what we are stuck with and so far there has been more bad than good.

I'm only responding to what Shazam said. People continue to call it bulky and impossible to wear under street clothes, like it's Iron Man's suit, when that simply is not the case.

And how can you say it's obvious that this change is due to the lawsuit when everyone has been changed by this reboot? Putting aside the suit, Superman hasn't changed that much. And this isn't even taking into account the major changes other characters have gone through over the decades that weren't motivated by lawsuits. It's amazing that Superman has gone this long without any major changes happening to the suit that actually stuck. Do you really, honestly believe that removing the trunks and adding a few lines would get the Siegel estate off DC's back? I. Think. Not.

 

[Czar Colossus]

I did not say obvious (because I understand it may not be so to others), but from what I have read and heard from many sources for a while now has given me reason to formulate this opinion. You can (if you want) look up any information regarding this issue of the lawsuit that has been going on for some time now. The look of Superman is a pivotal issue in this case. By DC showing a distinctive version that separates "their" Superman from Siegel's & Shuster's original version strengthens their case. Siegel & Shuster did not come up with his ability to fly for example or even his other variety of powers that later appeared. The right to use Superboy as the young Superman was also part of this. The info is all out there. The other characters have nothing to do with my point. I'm not claiming to be an authority on this, but I have a strong suspicion that this legal issue involving $$$ is involved. I may be wrong; but I don't think I am.


"Superman to split - not again?! Lawsuit Update
CBN › News › Movie News

Have you been following the super lawsuit that sees the heirs of Superman creators Siegel and Shuster pitted against the goliath known as DC Comics?

The case has been going back and forth for a few years over the rights returning to the creators, based on the Copyright Act of 1976. The Act basically states after a certain period, creators can reclaim the rights to their creations, albeit with certain stipulations.

From what I gather, only part of the Superman mythos would be returned to the family, and the "modern" aspects of Big Blue would stay with DC.

Variety reports that a recent article in the Columbia Law Journal, by Anthony Cheng, puts forth the notion that the Superman issue could be resolved similarly to the "Spawn vs. Medieval Spawn" case of Todd McFarlane vs. Neil Gaiman. It was ruled each character was different enough to warrant a separate trademark, as the two characters were "sufficiently distinct."

Cheng writes this could be the basis for the decision to let both sides in the Superman lawsuit continue to use Superman. As stated above, the DC Comics version would uitlize the "modern" aspects, and the Siegel and Shuster heirs the more "original" -- giving us two versions of Superman.

Furthermore, Variety states that this reclaiming of the trademark would only be applicable in the U.S., and DC would still own the international rights.

Beginning to sound a bit ridiculous?

The Siegel and Shuster family would have a "Superman" they could only use in the U.S., who couldn't fly, no Lex Luthor and company - but they would have the costume (wonder if JMS will be on board? [sarcasm]).

Meanwhile, DC would have a "Superman" that could fly, with Lex and company - but would need a new origin and costume (hmmm...now the story in Action Comics #900 where Superman renounces his American citizenzhip is beginning to make sense [sarasm - sorta]).

The status of the case is currently up in the air, as the attorney for the family is appealing to try to get a ruling to determine who owns what.

The obvious question is: Why hasn't there been some sort of settlement? That's up in the air as well, as DC is suing the attorney representing Siegel and Shuster on the basis of interference.

The feud over the rights is also the basis for the upcoming Man of Steel movie from Zack Snyder, as it was ruled Warner Bros. must begin filming a new Superman movie by 2011 or the family could sue to recover damages based on filming rights.

Obviously, there is a whole lot going on here which would take a series of articles, but do we need a split Superman...again? Hopefully, this gets settled."

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[Shazam]

That's not even the real issue.....realistically, most likely costumes beneath street cloths have never really been functional (but comics demand we suspend such laws at times). The real problem is that the design sucks and I still say it was change for the sake of change due to some judgment made in the Siegel & Shuster estate vs DC lawsuit.
DC has been forced to make obvious distinctions between the original concepts created by Siegel & Shuster and the current version; that includes his look. Thus long time fans who were happy with things must suffer this if they still want Superman. It comes down to legal and corporate BS (much like the Captain Marvel situation with usage of his name.) Unlike say Thor's redesign, this is not an improvement.
If DC had introduced the New 52 as their version of Marvel's Ultimate, I'd say great. Unfortunately this is not an alternative; it's what we are stuck with and so far there has been more bad than good.

Wow....I din't even think about that..... Even his spit curl is gone.

And yes...it would have been great to have a "choice"! That's Sales 101! You always give the customers at least 2 options! Always. People want to feel like they bought something....not like they were sold! Marvel got it right!

They don't have to blow up their Universe every 10 years either.


Oh.....and DC should be ashamed for not giving the Siegals and Shusters what they deserve.


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[Dangerman]

I did not say obvious (because I understand it may not be so to others), but from what I have read and heard from many sources for a while now has given me reason to formulate this opinion. You can (if you want) look up any information regarding this issue of the lawsuit that has been going on for some time now. The look of Superman is a pivotal issue in this case. By DC showing a distinctive version that separates "their" Superman from Siegel's & Shuster's original version strengthens their case. Siegel & Shuster did not come up with his ability to fly for example or even his other variety of powers that later appeared. The right to use Superboy as the young Superman was also part of this. The info is all out there. The other characters have nothing to do with my point. I'm not claiming to be an authority on this, but I have a strong suspicion that this legal issue involving $$$ is involved. I may be wrong; but I don't think I am.


"Superman to split - not again?! Lawsuit Update
CBN › News › Movie News

Have you been following the super lawsuit that sees the heirs of Superman creators Siegel and Shuster pitted against the goliath known as DC Comics?

The case has been going back and forth for a few years over the rights returning to the creators, based on the Copyright Act of 1976. The Act basically states after a certain period, creators can reclaim the rights to their creations, albeit with certain stipulations.

From what I gather, only part of the Superman mythos would be returned to the family, and the "modern" aspects of Big Blue would stay with DC.

Variety reports that a recent article in the Columbia Law Journal, by Anthony Cheng, puts forth the notion that the Superman issue could be resolved similarly to the "Spawn vs. Medieval Spawn" case of Todd McFarlane vs. Neil Gaiman. It was ruled each character was different enough to warrant a separate trademark, as the two characters were "sufficiently distinct."

Cheng writes this could be the basis for the decision to let both sides in the Superman lawsuit continue to use Superman. As stated above, the DC Comics version would uitlize the "modern" aspects, and the Siegel and Shuster heirs the more "original" -- giving us two versions of Superman.

Furthermore, Variety states that this reclaiming of the trademark would only be applicable in the U.S., and DC would still own the international rights.

Beginning to sound a bit ridiculous?

The Siegel and Shuster family would have a "Superman" they could only use in the U.S., who couldn't fly, no Lex Luthor and company - but they would have the costume (wonder if JMS will be on board? [sarcasm]).

Meanwhile, DC would have a "Superman" that could fly, with Lex and company - but would need a new origin and costume (hmmm...now the story in Action Comics #900 where Superman renounces his American citizenzhip is beginning to make sense [sarasm - sorta]).

The status of the case is currently up in the air, as the attorney for the family is appealing to try to get a ruling to determine who owns what.

The obvious question is: Why hasn't there been some sort of settlement? That's up in the air as well, as DC is suing the attorney representing Siegel and Shuster on the basis of interference.

The feud over the rights is also the basis for the upcoming Man of Steel movie from Zack Snyder, as it was ruled Warner Bros. must begin filming a new Superman movie by 2011 or the family could sue to recover damages based on filming rights.

Obviously, there is a whole lot going on here which would take a series of articles, but do we need a split Superman...again? Hopefully, this gets settled."

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I don't want two Superman's . I want one Superman why can't they just settle this and move on. Having two Superman's feels like it would result in this one day:

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[BH/HHH]

What would two Supermans mean? would it mean they get a Fleischer esque Superman whereas DC get the modern version inc the Superman from the 50s or 60s beyond?

 

[TheComicbookKid]

Will this be the birth of ace red-head reporter Louise Lane?t:

 

[DavidTyler]

This us all BS . DC needs to get this resolved. As to the costume, I read the last issue of Action and would love to know the explanation for the costume changing colors. I still hate the costume and i'm still less than impressed with the Superman books in general. We had a great Luthor who used his genius in a believable way. A Luthor who was all about power and very cool in his villainy.

Now we have a wormy oversized pudge-ball that inspires nothing. He's a waste of a great character. Morrison sucks. Lee's designs suck. Even Jimmy is a lot less interesting.

One more issue of each book so I can see what the rest of the suit explanation and then i'm canceling my subscriptions to the Superman books.

 

[Drz]

Lex Luthor's envy towards Superman is what caused Luthor to become an Alpha male, an Apex Predator!

 

[DavidTyler]

BTW, Anubis, i'm playing Riff Raff on stage in the fall.

 

[Lord]

I kinda like what Morrison's doing with Lex, he's making him become evious of superman and that's why he began to work out more, i also like the way he treats superman as "it"

 

[Czar Colossus]

This us all BS . DC needs to get this resolved. As to the costume, I read the last issue of Action and would love to know the explanation for the costume changing colors. I still hate the costume and i'm still less than impressed with the Superman books in general. We had a great Luthor who used his genius in a believable way. A Luthor who was all about power and very cool in his villainy.

Now we have a wormy oversized pudge-ball that inspires nothing. He's a waste of a great character. Morrison sucks. Lee's designs suck. Even Jimmy is a lot less interesting.

One more issue of each book so I can see what the rest of the suit explanation and then i'm canceling my subscriptions to the Superman books.

It's a shame because I liked Morrison's All-Star Superman (not as much as the critics, but still...)
Well I guess ruining things counts as distinguishing DC's current Superman mythos with the former incarnation.

 

[CConn]

This us all BS . DC needs to get this resolved. As to the costume, I read the last issue of Action and would love to know the explanation for the costume changing colors. I still hate the costume and i'm still less than impressed with the Superman books in general. We had a great Luthor who used his genius in a believable way. A Luthor who was all about power and very cool in his villainy.

Now we have a wormy oversized pudge-ball that inspires nothing. He's a waste of a great character. Morrison sucks. Lee's designs suck. Even Jimmy is a lot less interesting.

One more issue of each book so I can see what the rest of the suit explanation and then i'm canceling my subscriptions to the Superman books.

Haven't you been saying you're going to drop your Superman books for the past 5 months now?

Stop being a c***tease and just do it.