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Discussion in 'DC Comics' started by Thread Manager, May 31, 2015.
I actually jumped in shock. Lol.
This has to get mainstream coverage.
I get the feeling
what Manchester Black was showing Jonathan on the TV's wasn't actually happening.
So who wants to take bets? [BLACKOUT]Lois losing her leg was an illusion vs Lois really lost her leg, it sticks, and she's getting a really badass cyber-prosthetic leg down the line.[/BLACKOUT]
I didn't see a thread for this topic but I figured the Superman thread was as good a place as any . I'm pretty sure Conner Kent will be making a comeback . Since Young Justice season 3 is coming soon I find it hard to believe that they will just leave him in limbo plus he has a loyal fan base . With Jon being superbly now I wouldn't mind seeing Conner taking a name of his own similar to Nightwing in the Batman Family . How would people react to him coming back and taking the moniker of Guardian , paying respect to the original Guardian and his beginnings with Cadamus Labs . Even given him an updated costume similar to the originals costume
I definitely think Conner will be back as well. I'm curious to see how.
My baby is back. I created this thread years ago.
You know this is the first time I think they did something Superman related without using the Williams theme. Seems like they are finally embracing Man of Steel or Cavill's Superman.
Which is ironic as a lot of the imagery is Reeve inspired.
I feel as tho they can have a happy blend moving forward, in the fact they take hints from the lore... just looking at that sketch, Cavill - he's perfect to be that interpretation.
This only makes me more angry at Bendis. We missed the Clark/Lois/Jon interactions that would’ve occurred in Jon’s years between ages 11-17. These are among the most difficult for a kid and the most difficult for a parent to help the child navigate. I want to see how Superman parents during those years. But Bendis robbed us of what was a gold mine of stories that could’ve been filled with heart and purpose.
Yup, Bendis robbed us of so much with Jon...its a crime.
You could have done so much but now we have a rather boring dynamic imo because of Bendis.
Was reading New 52 Superman entries run from Action Comics, to Justice League, Superman, Superman Batman and Superman Wonder Woman in chronological order from start up until Bendis run and I got to say I wish they kept the New 52. It wasn't as bad as people make it out to be and Superman wasn't that bad either.
For me it's a bit of a double-edged sword. I agree...about the Action Comics side. The main Supes book sucked most of the time though, imo. Well, mainly the Lobdell portion. But I found the Johns stuff disappointing as well. I never read Superman/Wonder Woman because I hate that pairing. I did like Azzarello's Wonder Woman for the most part, though. But Rebirth is one of the best Supes runs ever, so I can't say I wish the New 52 had continued instead.
Rebirth for me was like New 52 fast forward a few years.
it's funny, I love superman, read certain graphic novels, but man I find the recent comics at times hard to read... I usually pick up older comics from the 70's etc and just read those as stand alone.
To me, Tomasi was like an island of greatness surrounded by New 52 and Bendis.
Bendis accomplished something incredible with his Superman run, he made me drop the Superman books for only the 3rd time in my life and believe me, you're talking to a guy who has read every main Superman title since 1938! (Yeah I'm not kidding or exaggerating).....so well done Brian!! And the fact that his run came straight after the wonderful Superman rebirth made it oh so painful!
Double edged is a good choice of words, I will try to mix it up and add the word mixed. Morrison's Action run was mostly a lot of fun, Greg Pak's solo work was superb and Scott Snyder's unchained was also excellent (didn't stick the landing though), but to be honest, overall the new 52 Superman was abit too much like Snyder's take at times, which naturally made me hate that take, so I say good riddance.
No need to go back that far, there are quite few hidden Superman gems worth checking out:
- The world of new krypton 12-issue series by Rucka and Robinson, my personal favorite Superman take of all time.
- Up, up and away 8-issue arc by Johns and Busiek
- Action comics annual #3 by Roger Stern. Superman becomes the president of the USA and it's canon!...well, kinda.
-Man and Superman by Marv Wolfman, best Superman origin story IMO.
-Superman the odyssey by Graham Nolan, also an awesome Superman origin story, but one that doesn't take place in Smallville or Metropolis and it's in continuity with Byrne's MOS and Loeb's For all seasons.
-Superman and the Legion of superheroes 6-issue arc by Geoff Johns. Johns's run on Superman was a mixed bag for me but IMO this is his best one by far.
I’ve never read the Rucka or the Wolfman stories you mentioned. Now I know what my next reading will be. Thanks.
All of Rucka Superman stories have been great. Honestly I wish that he would've taken over the book after Bendis. If there is anyone who could've fixed things it is him.
I have read both, and I agree with Superchan’s recommendations of them!
No worries. Also try the following:
- Adventures of superman 19-20 (digital first). A great religion based superman story called "saved".
- Adventures of Superman 40-41 (digital first). Joker tries to mess with Superman and gets way more than he bargained for
- Superman adventures 11-12. The title based on the animated series, here Superman is dying the world has to save him, a reversal of roles and it's very refreshing.
- Superman adventures 18. A "Clark Kent journalist" story.
- Action comics #411 This is a real oldie but honestly it's awesome. The premise is that the government finds the fortress and declares the ground it's built on government property, which means superman is obligated by law to give the FOS and all it's content to the government! Superman even goes to consult a lawyer.
Oh Rucka is one of the best, try and hunt up his run on Adventures of Superman starting with issue 627 until 640 I think, good stuff but unfortunately it's gets bogged down by infinite crisis crossovers. The whole BvS plot about bringing lois into Africa to embarrass Superman was taken from his run but Rucka is 10 times the writer that Chris Terrio and Zack Snyder are IMO (yeah and I know that Terrio has an oscar on his mantle but that doesn't erase BvS and Skywalker)
Oh I know I have almost every issue of post crisis Superman (started collecting comics when I was a kid in the late 80's) anyways Rucka's run is the reason why we even have Jon Kent he was one of the first writers since pre-crisis to push for Superman and Lois to have a child and if not for IC his run was heading in that direction.
Conveniently, the Ruin Saga is collected in 3 trades that leave out most of the Infinite Crisis tie-in stuff (I think): Unconventional Warfare, That Healing Touch, and Ruin Revealed.
Also, on the topic of that 2013 digital first Adventures of Superman series (which is just great all-around, imo), my personal favorite stories from there are "Faster Than A Speeding Bullet" by Matt Kindt, "Only Child" by Ron Marz and "Strange Visitor" by Joe Keatinge. I don't know what issue numbers they were offhand, but the latter two are in the 3rd Vol in the collected edition.
Speaking of introducing Jon, you should check out Son of Superman, which was the comic that first introduced Jon. The plot was pretty cool, Superman disappears for many years while Lois raises their son Jonathan by herself. Meanwhile Lex finds the Fortress and uses it's tech to transform the wold, sounds familiar? It should because that's the plot for Superman Returns but this comic came out years before SR and it actually tells a son of Superman story properly.
If my memory serves me correctly the kindt story was essentially 2 stories in 1, one with Superman dealing with space adventures (and Darkseid) while the other is a mental joust between Lois and Lex. Yeah I loved that story and the art was bada** too.
Marz's story was the Iron Giant meets Superman right? Man I totally forgot about story, I should check it out again because Iron Giant is my favorite Superman film since Superman II Donner cut. Maybe somebody should've sent a copy of the Iron Giant to WB and Snyder and said to them "watch this!".
Keatinge's story is the Kamandi story right? I honestly can't remember that story at all.