The Official Tom Welling Thread

[JcDc]

Im going to say this only once. Tom Welling is such a beautiful man, that it perfectly suits the Perfect man. He is so good looking, it seems like the only possible explination is that he is an alien. Im completely straight. I dont care if you believe me. Not only is he good looking, he looks just like Superman.

I'm straight as well and I will say that his face does have feminine features which typically is what gets a lot of males considered "GQ" Thing is, Superman isn't supposed to look like an A&F model with bigger lips (angeline jolie like actually) and a j nose (which yes is a feminine feature). He should be a bit more of a rugged face and a straighter more masculine nose imo. I think that ended up being the difference look wise that puts Routh over Welling for Superman. Women may find themselves more attracted to the feminine features of Welling, but for the actual look of Superman Routh has more facial features that would work.

 

[darkzombiemutt]

the only think i like about Rouths appearance as Superman is his big square chin. I understand where you are coming from JCDC, honestly. I just like the idea of superman being Angellic (sp?). It makes him look more trustworthy then the buiser look. IMO. Superman shouldnt look mean normally. Welling has the ability to look menecing, "feminine features" or not.

 

[triplet]

I don't understand where this feminine thing comes from, it just because of his lips?

I think the prominence of his lips could be partly due to make-up... they weren't as obvious when he was playing "Lionel" in Transference.

I swear sometimes they slather way too much lip gloss on his lips, but it must be a Vancouver make-up thing...

Jenson Ackles, who doesn't normally have very pink lips, has very pink lips in this show.

 

[Lara]

I so don't get the femine features comments. Plus from what I've seen of pictures Roth has bigger lips. Now Wellings nose isnt big enough that is the sillest backpeddling yet . To me feminine features are small soft and rounded. Not angular and large.

 

[JcDc]

I so don't get the femine features comments. Plus from what I've seen of pictures Roth has bigger lips. Now Wellings nose isnt big enough that is the sillest backpeddling yet . To me feminine features are small soft and rounded. Not angular and large.

Welling's nose goes in a J shape which indeed is a feminine quality, any art teacher can tell you that. Also he does have big pouty lips like that of Angeline Jolie which is quite feminine.

 

[The Sage]

JcDc, there's no point in being in this thread my friend. You won't get anywhere.

 

[darkzombiemutt]

Im going to generalize here for a minute. I think guys know he is an attractive man, and to justify this, he must be femine looking. Guys tend to think that commenting on another guy being attractive will make them no look straight or something, I dunno. Alot of men have a hard time with that, just cuz a guy is attractive doesnt make him less manly. Its like your only manly if you have some scars and are a bit dirty looking. I dont get it. Ive been called a pretty boy before but does that make me look feminine? I dont think so. But I do have some scars now...

 

[MJZ]

I'm straight as well and I will say that his face does have feminine features which typically is what gets a lot of males considered "GQ" Thing is, Superman isn't supposed to look like an A&F model with bigger lips (angeline jolie like actually) and a j nose (which yes is a feminine feature). He should be a bit more of a rugged face and a straighter more masculine nose imo. I think that ended up being the difference look wise that puts Routh over Welling for Superman. Women may find themselves more attracted to the feminine features of Welling, but for the actual look of Superman Routh has more facial features that would work.

Routh's rather pretty as well. I don't need to post those god-awful pics from his site to prove that.

Nothing "rugged" about him either, or Welling for that matter. I wouldn't even consider Reeve that. John Schneider? Now that's "rugged."

 

[The Sage]

Not only Schneider, but JC as well.

 

[JcDc]

JcDc, there's no point in being in this thread my friend. You won't get anywhere.

Well for what it's worth here is a better explanation of what I mean for those who don't get it.

Look at the nose, Welling has a slight curve that goes inward which is known as a "J" angle which is known as a more feminine nose. As for the lips, they are a bit pouty much like that of Angeline Jolie which also looks rather feminine imo.

In itself feminine features do generally appear more attractive. So while Tom is seen more attractive that Routh, it doesn't necessarily mean that being more "attractive" is a better look for Superman.

I think part of why Routh got the role in the looks dept is his facial features while not perfectly masculine, are rugged enough to pull off the face of Superman. Welling imo while having good looks, doesn't have the right kind of face for Superman's average facial features and a bit more rugged look.

 

[JcDc]

Routh's rather pretty as well. I don't need to post those god-awful pics from his site to prove that.

Nothing "rugged" about him either, or Welling for that matter. I wouldn't even consider Reeve that. John Schneider? Now that's "rugged."

Strictly on facial features though, Routh could be made to look more rugged due to proportions of his face than Welling for example could.

 

[jas01724]

Welling's nose goes in a J shape which indeed is a feminine quality, any art teacher can tell you that.

Art teachers basically tell you that as a short-cut. If you can't draw particularly well - or even if you can - adding a "feminine" nose to a drawing is instantly going to give you an easier time when trying to draw a convincing woman. But the truth is that in REAL LIFE, there's no such thing. And any art teacher could tell you that too. I've spoken to enough of them over the past ten years myself...

 

[JcDc]

Any plastic surgeon will tell you that men go for a more straight nose and women go for more of an inward J like featured nose because it's considered more feminine.

Anyways take a look at Routh

He looks a bit more plain and has more average features to his face, probably not considered to most as really attractive... But the same was actually said about Reeve who's got similar type of features (no I'm not saying that means they look like twins either ) Hell, look at the pics of the article when Reeve was announced. They called him "semi attractive" I believe

Welling may be more attractive but that's not necessarily an asset for the character of Superman.

 

[Serene]

Welling's nose goes in a J shape which indeed is a feminine quality, any art teacher can tell you that. Also he does have big pouty lips like that of Angeline Jolie which is quite feminine.

I think you should share with the whole class whatever it is you smoke before posting in this forum.

Full lips are generally sexy, male or female. You may find him attractive in a feminine way.. but most of the women (and maybe a few men) here would agree that his masculinity is not only sufficient, it's over and above. The whole male/female thing is subjective as hell anyway. All I can go with is how my staunchly heterosexual female self finds his look to be extremely sexy. Hearing what a truly nice guy he is and how devoted he is to his wife in interviews, is just frosting. Sexy is as sexy does.

DZM - Your security in your own looks and those of other men is refreshing.

 

[triplet]

Welling's nose goes in a J shape which indeed is a feminine quality, any art teacher can tell you that. Also he does have big pouty lips like that of Angeline Jolie which is quite feminine.

He's not feminine, and I'm curious why you think women would find him attractive because of that...

Personally, men that look like women (there are some, Clay Aiken anyone?) don't do a thing for me. I think Keanu Reeves looks more feminine (softer, more rounded features) than TW.

He's got sharp angles in his face that would be scary on a woman, including his nose.

I took a lot of painting and drawing classes in school and I would have never pegged his nose as feminine either.

I wish they were photos I could find of him from Transference as Lionel, but he can be a bad ass too:

 

[jas01724]

Any plastic surgeon will tell you that men go for a more straight nose and women go for more of an inward J like featured nose because it's considered more feminine.

They gor for that because they're conditioned by society to follow stereotypes - stereotypes that continue to be perpetuated by all and sundry, including yourself.

Being a stereotype doesn't make something right.

Put Tom's nose on a woman, and you end up with Sarah Jessica Parker - a woman who is undoubtedly beautiful, but hardly has what you'd call really feminine features.

 

[triplet]

Well for what it's worth here is a better explanation of what I mean for those who don't get it.

Look at the nose, Welling has a slight curve that goes inward which is known as a "J" angle which is known as a more feminine nose. As for the lips, they are a bit pouty much like that of Angeline Jolie which also looks rather feminine imo.

In itself feminine features do generally appear more attractive. So while Tom is seen more attractive that Routh, it doesn't necessarily mean that being more "attractive" is a better look for Superman.

I think part of why Routh got the role in the looks dept is his facial features while not perfectly masculine, are rugged enough to pull off the face of Superman. Welling imo while having good looks, doesn't have the right kind of face for Superman's average facial features and a bit more rugged look.

You're being very selective in your use of images... Those are from his modeling days (from about 5 years ago) and in the top one his lips were even emphasized using some sort of digital manipulation... Not good examples to prove your point.

Also, his lips are hardly carbon copies of Angelina Jolie's...

 

[AgentPat]

I should have known. Just noticed the veritable explosion of posts in this thread over the last 20 minutes or so. JcDc strikes again.

 

[The Sage]

Bah, I can do better than you JcDc.

Later on, would it be okay if I compared some old Welling pics to some more recent ones? Just wanted to show the transformation to Clark Kent, something I did with Reeve over in the Superman forums.

 

[The Sage]

I've been kind of trigger happy with screencapping lately.

 

[triplet]

Bah, I can do better than you JcDc.

Later on, would it be okay if I compared some old Welling pics to some more recent ones? Just wanted to show the transformation to Clark Kent, something I did with Reeve over in the Superman forums.

Cool. I'd love to see some good screen caps of Transference and other 4th season eps!

 

[The Sage]

Cool. I'd love to see some good screen caps of Transference and other 4th season eps!

That's definitely workable. I downloaded a close to DVD quality version of Transference last week. Crusade will work. I think in Crusade, Welling's look was bit more convincing than usual. Though he still had those rosey cheeks.

 

[Serene]

Cool. I'd love to see some good screen caps of Transference and other 4th season eps!

As usual, DTS has wonderful screen caps up for Transference.
DTS - Transference

My personal favorite: "Precisely"

 

[MJZ]

Strictly on facial features though, Routh could be made to look more rugged due to proportions of his face than Welling for example could.

Oh I dunno about that. Routh's got a heavier chin, yes, but he's also got rather thin features. Welling's got some real beefy jaw muscles, in the same vain as Pitt and Redford. Although I can understand why his nose and lips are perceived as a "weakness," as they may appear a tad feminine.

When it comes down to it, none of these guys have the classic Superman look. Reeve didn't necessarily either. To my mind, the "classic" look would either be a blue-eyed Dean Cain or a Bill Campbell (Rocketeer). And keep in mind I'm a red-blooded heterosexual male, but I think one of Welling's advantages is that his look gives him a rather angelic quality that'd work really well--something different for this day and age.

I'll admit that the latest Routh press photos are far better than the ones on his site, but to my mind, he still looks like a common fratboy or something. Very Keanu. They're going to have to do a hell of a makeover to convince me.

IMO, it's all in the eyes, and this is where Routh really misses the mark. I guess we'll see if the contacts work. Bottomline, there has to be something that looks different about Superman's face. I find something really alien about Welling and Caviezel. Not the type of folks you'd see walking down on the street everyday. Routh just looks average to me. My opinion of course.

 

[MJZ]

Not only Schneider, but JC as well.

Just rub it in now .

Yeah, Jim's combination of "scruffiness" with those freaky blue eyes made him the ideal choice for Superman imo. Just like Jim Lee's rendition, which is my favorite. Oh well.