The Official Tom Welling Thread

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AgentPat said:
As I've said in the past, I'd rather a thread go off topic now and then than have 10 different threads about the same thing - or similar subjects. It's too much of a pain to read, whereas scrolling past off-topic stuff is pretty easy. But that's just me.
I'm not entirely sure whether you meant it to be, but that's actually exactly my point. ;)

You don't need lots of threads about the same or similar things, and as such you don't need to create a whole separate forum for each topic. Carefully organised threads for every topic can quite easily be placed in one forum - that's one thing I *do* like about TWoP. The overall TW forum at DTS has now been split into a dozen separate ones, and for a lot of people it will make it far more difficult to find what they're looking for.

Taking myself as an example, I have iffy joints in my fingers, and the extra clicking required to get from A to B is quite literally a pain.
 
Serene said:
The kiss threads are pure joy.
:)
K.I.S.S., as in, "Keep it simple stupid." Though the kissING thread there IS pure joy. LMAO!!! ;)

BTW, just WAIT till you guys see these new panels. Mamma mia. :hyper:

So.. is he taking it off or putting it on?
HAHAHAHA!! Yeah, really. Bet TWOP would have a field day with that. :rolleyes:
 
Serene said:
Speaking of K-site. Whaddya think guys? Am I being paranoid, snubbed, or ignored?
Did you email Craig? If you did, knowing Craig he just missed it or completely forgot to respond. He even forgets to reply to me sometimes, and I'm loveable. :D

*waves to Craig*
 
AgentPat said:
If it's the photo I'm thinking of, yeah, I've seen it.
I meant that I posted it to prove that he certainly *has* posed in his underwear. (Thank goodness;))

I *used* to be a night crawler. But I've gotten in the habit of getting up around 5am these days (yeah, it REALLY sux!) so I can get morning aerobics in. If I don't do it in the morning, I won't do it at night since evenings are for weights - and I'd MUCH rather do that. I LOATHE aerobics.
I admire your discipline. I get up around 7am most days, regardless of when I go to bed. I'm going to start running again, but I'll ease into it with the treadmill so I don't have an instant grabber in the driveway.

Unless you pissed somebody off there (which I highly doubt), it's probably just an oversight. Try clearing out your cache and cookies and e-mail them again at [email protected]

Considering I don't think I've ever posted there, (if I have, it was too long ago for me to remember), I don't think I could have pissed anyone off there.
I'll try emailing again. I did email through the help link on the site, twice.. I still may not even post, but I like having the option!
 
AgentPat said:
K.I.S.S., as in, "Keep it simple stupid." Though the kissING thread there IS pure joy. LMAO!!! ;)

OH! LOL... gotcha.
And agreed on both points. :)

BTW, just WAIT till you guys see these new panels. Mamma mia. :hyper:

Well hurry the **** up! (self-censored that one;))

HAHAHAHA!! Yeah, really. Bet TWOP would have a field day with that. :rolleyes:
Heh.
 
jas01724 said:
Did you email Craig? If you did, knowing Craig he just missed it or completely forgot to respond. He even forgets to reply to me sometimes, and I'm loveable. :D

And I'm not? :(
 
jas01724 said:
I'm not entirely sure whether you meant it to be, but that's actually exactly my point. ;)
Yeah, I'm agreeing with ya. Big surprise there LOL.

You don't need lots of threads about the same or similar things, and as such you don't need to create a whole separate forum for each topic. Carefully organized threads for every topic can quite easily be placed in one forum - that's one thing I *do* like about TWoP. The overall TW forum at DTS has now been split into a dozen separate ones, and for a lot of people it will make it far more difficult to find what they're looking for.
What I find most difficult is their "logic" of HOW they've separated the forums. Take the aforementioned "kissing" thread (LOL!), for example. It's all pictures, with a few comment posts here and there. Shouldn't that thread go in the Images forum? It's kind of haphazardly arranged, ya know? [shrugs]

Taking myself as an example, I have iffy joints in my fingers, and the extra clicking required to get from A to B is quite literally a pain.
I'm just plum lazy. If it takes me more than two clicks to get somewhere, I usually don't bother - unless I'm highly motivated. ;)
 
AgentPat said:
Yeah, I'm agreeing with ya. Big surprise there LOL.
YAY! ;)

What I find most difficult is their "logic" of HOW they've separated the forums.
Speak to triplet, or even PM me. We can both tell you about the logic. And the fact that there is none. I've given up any pretense at trying to respect them after the last few days...

I'm just plum lazy. If it takes me more than two clicks to get somewhere, I usually don't bother - unless I'm highly motivated. ;)
Exactly! If you're lazy, too computer illiterate to know what you're doing, or in some way disable, it's just not friendly to users. My site has its issues, for instance. I hate it as it is but the design it has now was only intended to be transitional. I didn't intend for it to last a whole year, however my health problems precluded any major work on it.

I think my issue with DTS arises from the same reasoning as my dislike of Michael Rosenbaum's acting (;)); if you're going to claim to be fantastic, or if you get other people to claim that you are, you'd better damn well be perfect in every way. Otherwise I'll rip you a new one. :D
 
AgentPat said:
I'm just plum lazy. If it takes me more than two clicks to get somewhere, I usually don't bother - unless I'm highly motivated. ;)

I'm a clicking fiend. Seriously, it's reflex. I click even when I don't need to click anymore. Maybe that's why the lack of organization doesn't bother me. :)
My right index finger will probably be hopelessly arthritic in years to come. My right shoulder is already trashed from work-related strain.
 
Serene said:
...I'm going to start running again, but I'll ease into it with the treadmill so I don't have an instant grabber in the driveway.
LOL!! I tried running when I was in college (that was half a lifetime ago - literally.) Meh. Not for moi. Bad knees. I just do about an hour of basic ab work in the morning and about 20 minutes on an elliptical machine. Between the two, I'm tuckered out enough at the end to call it my "aerobics" workout. LOL!!

I still may not even post, but I like having the option!
Yeah, reading can be fun. But I warn you, it's hard not to get pulled in sometimes. There's a healthy contingent of Clark-haters there, which can be re-heeeeeeely frustrating. :mad: :mad: :mad:
 
AgentPat said:
LOL!! I tried running when I was in college (that was half a lifetime ago - literally.) Meh. Not for moi. Bad knees.
Skate. It's easy on the knees (even mine), it's great for cardio, and if you do a bit of arm swinging you get upper body workout too. I used to have fantastic abs from skating an hour or two pretty much every day... they're not quite so good now. :(
 
AgentPat said:
There's a healthy contingent of Clark-haters there, which can be re-heeeeeeely frustrating. :mad: :mad: :mad:
Clark-haters? WTF?
Well being a Lana fan, I'm used to wearing thick armor. ;)
 
Serene said:
Clark-haters? WTF?
Well being a Lana fan, I'm used to wearing thick armor. ;)
It's a side effect of Lex worshipping. They have to tear down Clark to make Lex look like the hero. :rolleyes: Btw I FINALLY got on DTS I doubt I'll post but I couldn't even read the posted articles before so I'm happy :) It's a little too gushy for me which is weird because I'm a huge fan but I don't feel comfortable there. Maybe it taps into the part of me that's embarrassed about my TW addiction.
 
Lara said:
Maybe it taps into the part of me that's embarrassed about my TW addiction.
Or maybe it reminds you that you're not immature and stupid. ;)
 
jas01724 said:
Skate. It's easy on the knees (even mine), it's great for cardio, and if you do a bit of arm swinging you get upper body workout too. I used to have fantastic abs from skating an hour or two pretty much every day... they're not quite so good now. :(
Eh. Tough to skate in the winter. And I live in New England where we have two seasons: Winter and July. The other thing is, there's really nowhere to skate "safely" here. Bad enough you risk life and limb just crossing the street. LOL S'kay though. I've got my own gym of sorts - plenty of free weights, a few benches, aerobic and universal machines. It suits my needs and it's private. Cant shake a stick at that. :)

Serene said:
Clark-haters? WTF?
I know! Sad, huh? I can't exactly explain it either. Some are still stuck on the RedK summer in Metropolis. Some don't understand Clark's duplicity and say the Clark fans are just rationalizing his bad behavior. Saving people every episode doesn't make him a good person, yada yada. It's heartbreaking sometimes. Most of the haters are Lex fans and don't like the way Clark treats him, which I think is at the core of the "problem." :rolleyes:

A poster there by the name of Grand Sophy wrote an excellent rebuttal in a thread where folks felt Clark was being a "jerk." Yes, CLARK!! I'm still stunned. Here's an excerpt of a wonderfully written post in defense of Clark:

Grand Sophy said:
Everyone probably has their own idea of what characteristics define a jerk, but a common dictionary definition is a foolish, rude, or contemptible person. This may well describe some of Clark's past behavior; the question is, does it describe his current or future personality? Someone who was ignorant or thoughtless in their youth may be acknowledged later in life as a great scholar or philosopher. A weak, untrained, lazy or sick person may later be revered as a great athlete. In these cases respect for their accomplishments is often greater because of their earlier shortcomings. Is morality the only area where you can never be forgiven your past sins; more than that, admired and respected for having overcome them?

There's no simple answer to this. A court of American law might take into account the consequences of your "sin," your ability to understand the probable consequences at the time you committed the sin, your motivation when you committed it, and any extenuating circumstances. For example, in Clark's "Exile" rampage his crimes are mental cruelty to his family and friends, damage to property, theft, endangering bystanders, disobeying the law, and knowingly using a mind altering substance that could be reasonably expected to lead to this type of behavior.

Extenuating circumstances would be his attempt at restitution, his age (only 16), his state of mind at the time he took the drug (in shock, in mourning, rejected by one father and under assault by another), and the degree of contrition. I personally think Clark's determination not to be maneuvered by Jor-el into taking over the world quite extenuating, even if his tactics were questionable.

After reading THAT, I had to join the battle LOL. An excerpt from my post in support...

AgentPat said:
Purists keep wanting Clark to be this perfect being and continually hold him up to the standards set by his older self. Jeeze, I'm glad that didn't happen to me when *I* was in high school. Sure, I might have learned a little more, but I wouldn't have had any fun either. LOL But this is fiction, and we DO know what Clark's destiny is. Fine. But HE doesn't. And considering the information that he does have, I'd be a bit freaked out myself. As a teenager, I might want to sweep it under the carpet and hope it goes away. But Clark keeps finding out no matter how much he tries to avoid confronting his demons - and he's got a few that NO human can relate to or understand - they keep coming back to push him in a direction that he's scared to go.

From a character POV, I think Clark's indiscretions can be summed up thus: Good judgment comes from experience; experience comes from bad judgment. Viewers are so quick to accuse Clark of not learning from his mistakes, but the writers keep *showing* us that he has. For example, Clark knows that "running is not the answer" anymore. He verbalized that to Alicia when she said she was going to escape McBride by running off to California. He also learned from Bart not to think of his powers as a burden anymore. When was the last time Clark complained about wanting to be "normal?" Second season, maybe? Just two examples. There's others...

...Personally, I think viewers need to think of Clark as a typical 17 yo kid who ACTS that way, most of the time. He just happens to have some neat abilities that give him some advantages. He's also an alien. From another planet. And he's not even human. Does that justify his actions? No. But it helps me understand his motivations better. Seventeen year old boys have lots of issues. If there was ever a character that epitomized that statement, it would be Clark Kent.

See how you can get sucked in? LOL It's frustrating and fun at the same time. Gotta stick up for our boy, doncha know? ;)
 
I have no problem with some honest fan-gushing. Obviously. <ahem> We are all fans after all, and we know what fan is short for. ;)
We all draw our own lines at what we're comfortable with showing the public though. I'm too old and I've been in different fandoms too long to care what anyone thinks of my geekiness or gushing.

Clark-bashing, huh? Maybe it's best I don't post there. :rolleyes:
Lana-bashing is so commonplace it doesn't usually phase me anymore (and I can even understand some of it).. but Clark-bashing, that's a whole 'nuther thing! C'mon.. he's the man. I love Lex too, but that has no bearing on my attitude towards Clark.

Maybe there's just something wrong with me. I love all the characters, in varying degrees. Lois is probably my least favorite, but I still like a lot of what she's brought to her scenes, particularly in regards to the comedic side of Clark.
 
jas01724 said:
Speak to triplet, or even PM me. We can both tell you about the logic. And the fact that there is none.

Yeah, I filled both Pat and Serene in on that whole debacle.

jas01724 said:
I've given up any pretense at trying to respect them after the last few days...

You and me both, babe.


jas01724 said:
Exactly! If you're lazy, too computer illiterate to know what you're doing, or in some way disable, it's just not friendly to users. My site has its issues, for instance. I hate it as it is but the design it has now was only intended to be transitional. I didn't intend for it to last a whole year, however my health problems precluded any major work on it.

I think my issue with DTS arises from the same reasoning as my dislike of Michael Rosenbaum's acting (;)); if you're going to claim to be fantastic, or if you get other people to claim that you are, you'd better damn well be perfect in every way. Otherwise I'll rip you a new one. :D

LOL!

The silly thing is they've got all these forums with seperate mods for them now and hardly any of them gets a lot of traffic by themselves...

What are these new mods going to do?

Good things turned out the way they did.
 
Do the changes have anything to do with it becoming a seperate site like they did with KK? Oh well as long as I can access it I'm happy. Somehow I have someoe else's screen name so if I tried to post it might come back to bite me. I think it's mainly the banners that make me uncomfortable "I love Tommy forever" etc Then again I am often uncomfortable and easily embarrassed.
 
Lara said:
Do the changes have anything to do with it becoming a seperate site like they did with KK? Oh well as long as I can access it I'm happy. Somehow I have someoe else's screen name so if I tried to post it might come back to bite me. I think it's mainly the banners that make me uncomfortable "I love Tommy forever" etc Then again I am often uncomfortable and easily embarrassed.

Well I'm glad you're not too shy to post in here with us. :)
 
Just wondering 'bout this over the weekend:

Do you think the PG13 horror genre has peaked? Think about, ever since The Grudge, most of them have just petered out and become lesser hits than anticipated. Movies like Hide and Seek, Boogeyman, Cursed, and now Ring Two have underperformed at the B.O.

The reason I bring it up is that I'm worried that by the time Fog unspools, the genre could be on its last legs, and it would be a shame if the movie doesn't do well. If for no other reason than to preempt the fanboys who will invariably troll over here and say "told you Welling couldn't carry a movie...yada...yada...yada."

I know scary movies tend to do better in October. But what do you all think?
 
lokmon said:
Do you think the PG13 horror genre has peaked? Think about, ever since The Grudge, most of them have just petered out and become lesser hits than anticipated. Movies like Hide and Seek, Boogeyman, Cursed, and now Ring Two have underperformed at the B.O.

I think it's a valid concern, if they go the standard PG13 horror route. Personally, I'm hoping they go for an R rating, and not just for the obvious TW shower scenes (although they certainly don't hurt;)). I still say this is a movie that's ripe for a remake. The original one has not aged well and would be laughable as opposed to scary to modern audiences. They have a chance to really take this to the edges of horror, but they won't do that with a PG13 film, IMO. I like gore where gore is called for, but the concept of evil hidden within something as nebulous as fog has huge suspense potential, if done well. I admit to being a little worried about Wainwright. I didn't really care for Stigmata.

The reason I bring it up is that I'm worried that by the time Fog unspools, the genre could be on its last legs, and it would be a shame if the movie doesn't do well. If for no other reason than to preempt the fanboys who will invariably troll over here and say "told you Welling couldn't carry a movie...yada...yada...yada."

I expect that going to happen regardless of how well the movie or Tom does.
 
Lara said:
Do the changes have anything to do with it becoming a seperate site like they did with KK? Oh well as long as I can access it I'm happy. Somehow I have someoe else's screen name so if I tried to post it might come back to bite me. I think it's mainly the banners that make me uncomfortable "I love Tommy forever" etc Then again I am often uncomfortable and easily embarrassed.

That's why my banner is just a graphic.

I don't mind the gushing, I can kinda get past that, but it's the overly sentimental graphics that drive me up a wall.

'Sides, Tom's visage speaks for itself. Any text that I could think of would only mar the perfection of his image.

(How's that for gushing? ;) )
 
Serene said:
I think it's a valid concern, if they go the standard PG13 horror route. Personally, I'm hoping they go for an R rating, and not just for the obvious TW shower scenes (although they certainly don't hurt;)).

From your mouth to TPTB's ears.... ;) :D

Serene said:
I still say this is a movie that's ripe for a remake. The original one has not aged well and would be laughable as opposed to scary to modern audiences.

I actually laughed out loud at several points that were supposed to be scary. Don't even get me started on the picking up a hitchhiker, sharing a beer with her in the truck, bedding her, and then finally getting around to asking her for her name the next morning.... Laughable don't even cover it.

No, it hasn't age well.

Serene said:
They have a chance to really take this to the edges of horror, but they won't do that with a PG13 film, IMO. I like gore where gore is called for, but the concept of evil hidden within something as nebulous as fog has huge suspense potential, if done well.

I think they can do so much more with even the gory parts than they did with the original and the creepy things in the fog stuff wasn't as exploited nearly effectively in the original as it could be with more modern technology.

I think this film will be great, and I hope it gets an R.

Serene said:
I admit to being a little worried about Wainwright. I didn't really care for Stigmata.

I never saw that.

Serene said:
I expect that's going to happen regardless of how well the movie or Tom does.

Yeah, the anti-Welling fanboys need little excuse to bash him.
 
triplet said:
I never saw that.

I bought Carpenter's The Thing, because I do remember that as being a really well done horror flick, much better than The Fog, IMO. While there, I thought about rewatching Stigmata but decided against it. I'd probably start picking it apart and worrying about Wainwright even more.
 
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